Danny Masterson

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Sharon Osborne recently said Ashton Kutcher was the rudest celeb she’s ever met. She seems to have met him when he was younger.

I think the only reason both Ashton and Mila wrote letters on behalf of Masterson was because he has something on Kutcher. Why else would they write letters when it’s obvious they will be openly criticized for standing by a rapist?

I'm the "lead-lined brained apologist" and I think this is actually a very plausible scenarios. Why? Because he and Mila were both quite young (okay Mila was VERY young) when they met Danny who was born into a scientology family. I can imagine that Danny would have persuaded them at least once or twice to check out the Scientology Celebrity Center. And once you have an audit or two under your belt, they have the tapes forever. (For those unfamiliar, a scientology "audit" is like a counseling session that is similar to a Catholic confession where you are purging your mind and body by confessing to any past deeds or indiscretions so that you can get rid of any unwanted negativity that is preventing you from moving forward. The catch is that scientology allegedly keeps extensive recordings audio/video of these sessions and will use them against people when necessary.)

[Anonymous]

Good news day. Masterson, Meadows, and Lea finally can breath after years of sacrificing her own safety for justice. I always trusted her claims. She did the hard work.

[Anonymous]

Incredible. So many things in the world seem to be getting worse. But the prosecutors and judge on this case prove that so much has improved.

Anyone who believes this sentence is too long should really try to think deeply about their tolerance for life-ruining traumatic violence. This sentence is more than deserved and will also protect society by getting him off the streets and encouraging more investigations

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This is a horrible feeling as a survivor, to realize you were chosen for your relative weakness, that your attacker knew people would be less likely to care about what happens to you or believe what you have to say.

Imagine how it feels as a child, or as an adult coming to terms with how their childish trust and weakness were exploited.

Over the years that I have posted here I have often been called a misandrist for my jaded views. But as a former prosecutor who handled far too many sexual assault cases both adult and child victims, I have good reason for my feelings. There are so many monsters out there, walking around with the masks of grandfathers, fathers, uncles brothers sons and friends. Teacher troop leader coach clergy neighbor. Everybody wants to think the monster is in somebody else’s closet or under somebody else’s bad, but the monster is just as likely in your house, no matter how much you refuse to see. And that’s how monsters thrive.

It’s not always men. Older female neighbor was a sexual predator to young neighborhood boys. She began with the typical grooming techniques. We are surrounded by monsters and people always say, I never saw it. She was so nice.

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Anonymous wrote:How disgusting Mila and Ashton wrote letters. Gross fake wile celebs.

That’s a tough one for me.
If they are friends, which they have been for a very long time, they likely do not believe that their friend is capable of such atrocities.
A character letter doesn’t speak to the veracity of the charge. It just says we know him to be a swell guy, and we love and trust him, etc.
If you were accused of doing these things and you swore up and down to your friends and to the world that you didn’t do it —wouldn’t you hope that one or two of those friends would say “yes of course I will write a character reference for you”

They may truly believe him to be innocent.
And in that case, it isn’t disgusting for them to write a letter on his behalf that says something to the effect of “these accusations are not aligned with the person that I’ve known him to be over the past 30 years”

I can't view it this way because I've experienced, as a rape survivor, being told by people "that's just not who he is," and it's just gaslighting. Good for you he never raped you, but you don't actually know he is, and acting like your experience with him can be placed next to my experience and weighed equally is BS.

Statements like this also tend to emphasize to survivors that they were chosen as victims specifically because they lacked the power and social capital of others. Masterson would never have attacked Kunis because she, like him, was famous and wealthy and there was no power differential to exploit. He only raped people he could dominate. This is a horrible feeling as a survivor, to realize you were chosen for your relative weakness, that your attacker knew people would be less likely to care about what happens to you or believe what you have to say.

And usually it works, and it dies so specifically because people in power will circle up and protect one of their own. Which is what Mila and Ashton were doing. Glad to see it didnt work this time.

Thanks for sharing your perspective. It was a helpful counterpoint to the PP.

Not a rape situation, but I was asked by a friend years ago to speak on her behalf against her husband in a divorce/child custody case. She said he had been abusive to her, and I saw bruises. I told her I could speak to her character and honesty, but I could not say that I knew he abused her because I had not witnessed it. Our friendship was never the same after that, and I often wondered if I should have handled it differently.

You handled it horribly, and your friend should ghost you.

This was about testifying in court—she had to tell the truth. She had not witnessed her friend being abused. I can understand the friendship suffering, but I don’t think she did anything wrong. You can’t just walk into a court and say things because your friend wants you to. “Your friend should ghost you,” is such a childish thing to say. I’m so sick of grown women acting like 13 year olds.

You’re a wholesale idiot, does that work for you?There is nothing written indicating that the “friend” was being pressured to lie and say she witnessed the abuse. You and that poster are so certain that your respective inability to make difficult calls means you see things with unusual nuance, and you’re both wrong. You, like PP, just don’t listen well. She was not being coached to lie in a court proceeding.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How disgusting Mila and Ashton wrote letters. Gross fake wile celebs.

That’s a tough one for me.
If they are friends, which they have been for a very long time, they likely do not believe that their friend is capable of such atrocities.
A character letter doesn’t speak to the veracity of the charge. It just says we know him to be a swell guy, and we love and trust him, etc.
If you were accused of doing these things and you swore up and down to your friends and to the world that you didn’t do it —wouldn’t you hope that one or two of those friends would say “yes of course I will write a character reference for you”

They may truly believe him to be innocent.
And in that case, it isn’t disgusting for them to write a letter on his behalf that says something to the effect of “these accusations are not aligned with the person that I’ve known him to be over the past 30 years”

I can't view it this way because I've experienced, as a rape survivor, being told by people "that's just not who he is," and it's just gaslighting. Good for you he never raped you, but you don't actually know he is, and acting like your experience with him can be placed next to my experience and weighed equally is BS.

Statements like this also tend to emphasize to survivors that they were chosen as victims specifically because they lacked the power and social capital of others. Masterson would never have attacked Kunis because she, like him, was famous and wealthy and there was no power differential to exploit. He only raped people he could dominate. This is a horrible feeling as a survivor, to realize you were chosen for your relative weakness, that your attacker knew people would be less likely to care about what happens to you or believe what you have to say.

And usually it works, and it dies so specifically because people in power will circle up and protect one of their own. Which is what Mila and Ashton were doing. Glad to see it didnt work this time.

Thanks for sharing your perspective. It was a helpful counterpoint to the PP.

Not a rape situation, but I was asked by a friend years ago to speak on her behalf against her husband in a divorce/child custody case. She said he had been abusive to her, and I saw bruises. I told her I could speak to her character and honesty, but I could not say that I knew he abused her because I had not witnessed it. Our friendship was never the same after that, and I often wondered if I should have handled it differently.

You handled it horribly, and your friend should ghost you.

This was about testifying in court—she had to tell the truth. She had not witnessed her friend being abused. I can understand the friendship suffering, but I don’t think she did anything wrong. You can’t just walk into a court and say things because your friend wants you to. “Your friend should ghost you,” is such a childish thing to say. I’m so sick of grown women acting like 13 year olds.

You’re a wholesale idiot, does that work for you?There is nothing written indicating that the “friend” was being pressured to lie and say she witnessed the abuse. You and that poster are so certain that your respective inability to make difficult calls means you see things with unusual nuance, and you’re both wrong. You, like PP, just don’t listen well. She was not being coached to lie in a court proceeding.

NP. What do you think the PP should have done in court

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How disgusting Mila and Ashton wrote letters. Gross fake wile celebs.

That’s a tough one for me.
If they are friends, which they have been for a very long time, they likely do not believe that their friend is capable of such atrocities.
A character letter doesn’t speak to the veracity of the charge. It just says we know him to be a swell guy, and we love and trust him, etc.
If you were accused of doing these things and you swore up and down to your friends and to the world that you didn’t do it —wouldn’t you hope that one or two of those friends would say “yes of course I will write a character reference for you”

They may truly believe him to be innocent.
And in that case, it isn’t disgusting for them to write a letter on his behalf that says something to the effect of “these accusations are not aligned with the person that I’ve known him to be over the past 30 years”

I can't view it this way because I've experienced, as a rape survivor, being told by people "that's just not who he is," and it's just gaslighting. Good for you he never raped you, but you don't actually know he is, and acting like your experience with him can be placed next to my experience and weighed equally is BS.

Statements like this also tend to emphasize to survivors that they were chosen as victims specifically because they lacked the power and social capital of others. Masterson would never have attacked Kunis because she, like him, was famous and wealthy and there was no power differential to exploit. He only raped people he could dominate. This is a horrible feeling as a survivor, to realize you were chosen for your relative weakness, that your attacker knew people would be less likely to care about what happens to you or believe what you have to say.

And usually it works, and it dies so specifically because people in power will circle up and protect one of their own. Which is what Mila and Ashton were doing. Glad to see it didnt work this time.

Thanks for sharing your perspective. It was a helpful counterpoint to the PP.

Not a rape situation, but I was asked by a friend years ago to speak on her behalf against her husband in a divorce/child custody case. She said he had been abusive to her, and I saw bruises. I told her I could speak to her character and honesty, but I could not say that I knew he abused her because I had not witnessed it. Our friendship was never the same after that, and I often wondered if I should have handled it differently.

You handled it horribly, and your friend should ghost you.

This was about testifying in court—she had to tell the truth. She had not witnessed her friend being abused. I can understand the friendship suffering, but I don’t think she did anything wrong. You can’t just walk into a court and say things because your friend wants you to. “Your friend should ghost you,” is such a childish thing to say. I’m so sick of grown women acting like 13 year olds.

You’re a wholesale idiot, does that work for you?There is nothing written indicating that the “friend” was being pressured to lie and say she witnessed the abuse. You and that poster are so certain that your respective inability to make difficult calls means you see things with unusual nuance, and you’re both wrong. You, like PP, just don’t listen well. She was not being coached to lie in a court proceeding.

NP. What do you think the PP should have done in court

….answered honestly the questions directed to her by her “friend’s” counsel and the husband’s opposing counsel in testimony or when being deposed? Which would apparently amount to PP having seen bruises and having been told contemporaneously that the DH was beating this woman PP was “friends” with?

Or there’s the road less taken, where a very pure of heart person primly insists if she didn’t witness the recreation of the worst scenes in What’s Love Got To Do With It? she can’t say it happened and everyone can compliment her on her principles. It was her choice and she chose that. Somehow, the friendship was just never the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Original tweet (the shot):

… and the chaser:

Hot damn. Ms. Trout said it all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How disgusting Mila and Ashton wrote letters. Gross fake wile celebs.

That’s a tough one for me.
If they are friends, which they have been for a very long time, they likely do not believe that their friend is capable of such atrocities.
A character letter doesn’t speak to the veracity of the charge. It just says we know him to be a swell guy, and we love and trust him, etc.
If you were accused of doing these things and you swore up and down to your friends and to the world that you didn’t do it —wouldn’t you hope that one or two of those friends would say “yes of course I will write a character reference for you”

They may truly believe him to be innocent.
And in that case, it isn’t disgusting for them to write a letter on his behalf that says something to the effect of “these accusations are not aligned with the person that I’ve known him to be over the past 30 years”

I can't view it this way because I've experienced, as a rape survivor, being told by people "that's just not who he is," and it's just gaslighting. Good for you he never raped you, but you don't actually know he is, and acting like your experience with him can be placed next to my experience and weighed equally is BS.

Statements like this also tend to emphasize to survivors that they were chosen as victims specifically because they lacked the power and social capital of others. Masterson would never have attacked Kunis because she, like him, was famous and wealthy and there was no power differential to exploit. He only raped people he could dominate. This is a horrible feeling as a survivor, to realize you were chosen for your relative weakness, that your attacker knew people would be less likely to care about what happens to you or believe what you have to say.

And usually it works, and it dies so specifically because people in power will circle up and protect one of their own. Which is what Mila and Ashton were doing. Glad to see it didnt work this time.

Thanks for sharing your perspective. It was a helpful counterpoint to the PP.

Not a rape situation, but I was asked by a friend years ago to speak on her behalf against her husband in a divorce/child custody case. She said he had been abusive to her, and I saw bruises. I told her I could speak to her character and honesty, but I could not say that I knew he abused her because I had not witnessed it. Our friendship was never the same after that, and I often wondered if I should have handled it differently.

You handled it horribly, and your friend should ghost you.

This was about testifying in court—she had to tell the truth. She had not witnessed her friend being abused. I can understand the friendship suffering, but I don’t think she did anything wrong. You can’t just walk into a court and say things because your friend wants you to. “Your friend should ghost you,” is such a childish thing to say. I’m so sick of grown women acting like 13 year olds.

You’re a wholesale idiot, does that work for you?There is nothing written indicating that the “friend” was being pressured to lie and say she witnessed the abuse. You and that poster are so certain that your respective inability to make difficult calls means you see things with unusual nuance, and you’re both wrong. You, like PP, just don’t listen well. She was not being coached to lie in a court proceeding.

NP. What do you think the PP should have done in court

….answered honestly the questions directed to her by her “friend’s” counsel and the husband’s opposing counsel in testimony or when being deposed? Which would apparently amount to PP having seen bruises and having been told contemporaneously that the DH was beating this woman PP was “friends” with?

Or there’s the road less taken, where a very pure of heart person primly insists if she didn’t witness the recreation of the worst scenes in What’s Love Got To Do With It? she can’t say it happened and everyone can compliment her on her principles. It was her choice and she chose that. Somehow, the friendship was just never the same.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How disgusting Mila and Ashton wrote letters. Gross fake wile celebs.

That’s a tough one for me.
If they are friends, which they have been for a very long time, they likely do not believe that their friend is capable of such atrocities.
A character letter doesn’t speak to the veracity of the charge. It just says we know him to be a swell guy, and we love and trust him, etc.
If you were accused of doing these things and you swore up and down to your friends and to the world that you didn’t do it —wouldn’t you hope that one or two of those friends would say “yes of course I will write a character reference for you”

They may truly believe him to be innocent.
And in that case, it isn’t disgusting for them to write a letter on his behalf that says something to the effect of “these accusations are not aligned with the person that I’ve known him to be over the past 30 years”

I can't view it this way because I've experienced, as a rape survivor, being told by people "that's just not who he is," and it's just gaslighting. Good for you he never raped you, but you don't actually know he is, and acting like your experience with him can be placed next to my experience and weighed equally is BS.

Statements like this also tend to emphasize to survivors that they were chosen as victims specifically because they lacked the power and social capital of others. Masterson would never have attacked Kunis because she, like him, was famous and wealthy and there was no power differential to exploit. He only raped people he could dominate. This is a horrible feeling as a survivor, to realize you were chosen for your relative weakness, that your attacker knew people would be less likely to care about what happens to you or believe what you have to say.

And usually it works, and it dies so specifically because people in power will circle up and protect one of their own. Which is what Mila and Ashton were doing. Glad to see it didnt work this time.

Thanks for sharing your perspective. It was a helpful counterpoint to the PP.

Not a rape situation, but I was asked by a friend years ago to speak on her behalf against her husband in a divorce/child custody case. She said he had been abusive to her, and I saw bruises. I told her I could speak to her character and honesty, but I could not say that I knew he abused her because I had not witnessed it. Our friendship was never the same after that, and I often wondered if I should have handled it differently.

You handled it horribly, and your friend should ghost you.

This was about testifying in court—she had to tell the truth. She had not witnessed her friend being abused. I can understand the friendship suffering, but I don’t think she did anything wrong. You can’t just walk into a court and say things because your friend wants you to. “Your friend should ghost you,” is such a childish thing to say. I’m so sick of grown women acting like 13 year olds.

You’re a wholesale idiot, does that work for you?There is nothing written indicating that the “friend” was being pressured to lie and say she witnessed the abuse. You and that poster are so certain that your respective inability to make difficult calls means you see things with unusual nuance, and you’re both wrong. You, like PP, just don’t listen well. She was not being coached to lie in a court proceeding.

NP. What do you think the PP should have done in court

DP. PP could have testified to seeing the bruises. Would not need to say the husband did it but just that PP saw them.

[Anonymous]

Masterson in an interview explains his DJ nick name - Donkey Punch - which is a sexual slang term.

https://tonyortega.substack.com/p/video-if-danny-masterson-had-testified

[Anonymous]

And one of the victims testified that her assault involved a shower.

https://tonyortega.substack.com/p/video-danny-masterson-on-the-best

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Original tweet (the shot):

… and the chaser:

Hot damn. Ms. Trout said it all.

If it is true that they submitted their character letters AFTER conviction and AFTER they actually reviewed the testimony and evidence from the trial—as she is reporting here—then I honestly don’t see how anyone who agrees with the verdict has any choice but to conclude that they are evil people.

The thing is, it is still possible that THEY believe he did not do these things and is the “real” victim who is being unfairly being punished for a crime he didn’t commit and are doing everything they can to help defend their friend.

If THEY believe he did those things then submitting a letter just to get him a lighter sentence is pure evil.