PK3/4 Vent-who didn't get in to their IB school..

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more Capitol Hill parents complaining about being shut out aren't putting Payne on their PK3 and PK4 lists. It's our in-bounds school and we have had a fantastic experience for PK3. I think the wait list is getting longer but your chances are definitely better than some of the other schools on the Hill.

If your master number leaves you on the outside looking in of your IB school, then it is basically too low to get in any Hill ES as an OOB student. The only exception was the Brent year when all non-siblings got shut out. Many ended up at other near by schools because they had high numbers, just no siblings.

We were shut out of Peabody PK3 a couple years ago and matched at Miner.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more Capitol Hill parents complaining about being shut out aren't putting Payne on their PK3 and PK4 lists. It's our in-bounds school and we have had a fantastic experience for PK3. I think the wait list is getting longer but your chances are definitely better than some of the other schools on the Hill.

My understanding was that Payne PK more or less filled up with IB kids this year, with maybe a couple of OOB kids. Was that not the case?

I think it was largely in-bounds but I know there were at least a few OOB who came off the waitlist

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more Capitol Hill parents complaining about being shut out aren't putting Payne on their PK3 and PK4 lists. It's our in-bounds school and we have had a fantastic experience for PK3. I think the wait list is getting longer but your chances are definitely better than some of the other schools on the Hill.

My understanding was that Payne PK more or less filled up with IB kids this year, with maybe a couple of OOB kids. Was that not the case?

I think it was largely in-bounds but I know there were at least a few OOB who came off the waitlist

We had Payne on our list. Didn't get in. There's no such thing as a safety school on the hill anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more Capitol Hill parents complaining about being shut out aren't putting Payne on their PK3 and PK4 lists. It's our in-bounds school and we have had a fantastic experience for PK3. I think the wait list is getting longer but your chances are definitely better than some of the other schools on the Hill.

My understanding was that Payne PK more or less filled up with IB kids this year, with maybe a couple of OOB kids. Was that not the case?

I think it was largely in-bounds but I know there were at least a few OOB who came off the waitlist

We had Payne on our list. Didn't get in. There's no such thing as a safety school on the hill anymore.

Miner and Payne were pretty much guarantees until this year if on your original list. This year it looks like they're not. I know people with double digit WL numbers at Miner. Maybe things will change some after the enrollment deadline passes.

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All of the pk3 lists will move. We are giving up a Peabody spot...

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised more Capitol Hill parents complaining about being shut out aren't putting Payne on their PK3 and PK4 lists. It's our in-bounds school and we have had a fantastic experience for PK3. I think the wait list is getting longer but your chances are definitely better than some of the other schools on the Hill.

My understanding was that Payne PK more or less filled up with IB kids this year, with maybe a couple of OOB kids. Was that not the case?

I think it was largely in-bounds but I know there were at least a few OOB who came off the waitlist

We had Payne on our list. Didn't get in. There's no such thing as a safety school on the hill anymore.

Miner and Payne were pretty much guarantees until this year if on your original list. This year it looks like they're not. I know people with double digit WL numbers at Miner. Maybe things will change some after the enrollment deadline passes.

We listed both Miner and Payne last year and ended up with a low WL number at our IB (Brent) and numbers in the 30s at Miner and Payne. There are really no DCPS safeties on the Hill.

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Anonymous wrote:I got an email on our neighborhood listserv where one parent is trying to organize other IB families who are waitlisted for PK...to do what, I'm not sure. They want to go to the school to see if the class that had been eliminated (for space reasons) to be added back-- "for fairness." How short sighted- so fifth graders should have extra large classes so that affluent families don't have to pay for PK for another year?

Janney? Yes, that is short sighted.

Or could be Brent.

That e-mail was for Janney. I saw that on the list serv too.

NP here- how is it shortsighted? Not a Janney parent, but they need to prioritize the K-5 kids first, right? What's the argument for more PK?

Yes it's shortsighted to want a PK class added so you don't have to pay for another year of preschool at the expense of reasonably sized classes for fifth graders.

You realize all of these inbound kids are guaranteed a spot for kindergarten, right? They will be added to the school whether there's room for them or not because it's their inbound school. I don't understand shutting out pk3 and pk4 kids when they will probably wind up there in a year or two and the school will then have to accommodate the increase in class sizes.

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Anonymous wrote:I got an email on our neighborhood listserv where one parent is trying to organize other IB families who are waitlisted for PK...to do what, I'm not sure. They want to go to the school to see if the class that had been eliminated (for space reasons) to be added back-- "for fairness." How short sighted- so fifth graders should have extra large classes so that affluent families don't have to pay for PK for another year?

Janney? Yes, that is short sighted.

Or could be Brent.

That e-mail was for Janney. I saw that on the list serv too.

NP here- how is it shortsighted? Not a Janney parent, but they need to prioritize the K-5 kids first, right? What's the argument for more PK?

Yes it's shortsighted to want a PK class added so you don't have to pay for another year of preschool at the expense of reasonably sized classes for fifth graders.

You realize all of these inbound kids are guaranteed a spot for kindergarten, right? They will be added to the school whether there's room for them or not because it's their inbound school. I don't understand shutting out pk3 and pk4 kids when they will probably wind up there in a year or two and the school will then have to accommodate the increase in class sizes.

I understand this point and agree with it to a large extent, having been shut out from PK at our IB school. However the larger issue that is looming is that many of the schools in question are severely lacking in space. So if there are literally no free classrooms and something has to give to accommodate another upper grade class, it will be a non-mandatory year (PK). At a number of DCPS elementaries, there is going to be a big increase in class sizes moving up through the ranks as the under 5 population is booming. DCPS is way, way behind the curve at planning for that and so the schools don't have space.

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Anonymous wrote:I got an email on our neighborhood listserv where one parent is trying to organize other IB families who are waitlisted for PK...to do what, I'm not sure. They want to go to the school to see if the class that had been eliminated (for space reasons) to be added back-- "for fairness." How short sighted- so fifth graders should have extra large classes so that affluent families don't have to pay for PK for another year?

Janney? Yes, that is short sighted.

Or could be Brent.

That e-mail was for Janney. I saw that on the list serv too.

NP here- how is it shortsighted? Not a Janney parent, but they need to prioritize the K-5 kids first, right? What's the argument for more PK?

Yes it's shortsighted to want a PK class added so you don't have to pay for another year of preschool at the expense of reasonably sized classes for fifth graders.

You realize all of these inbound kids are guaranteed a spot for kindergarten, right? They will be added to the school whether there's room for them or not because it's their inbound school. I don't understand shutting out pk3 and pk4 kids when they will probably wind up there in a year or two and the school will then have to accommodate the increase in class sizes.

I understand this point and agree with it to a large extent, having been shut out from PK at our IB school. However the larger issue that is looming is that many of the schools in question are severely lacking in space. So if there are literally no free classrooms and something has to give to accommodate another upper grade class, it will be a non-mandatory year (PK). At a number of DCPS elementaries, there is going to be a big increase in class sizes moving up through the ranks as the under 5 population is booming. DCPS is way, way behind the curve at planning for that and so the schools don't have space.

So the people who are shut out of PK right now to give the current 5th graders smaller class sizes will likely have to put up with larger class sizes themselves when they get to 5th... They are just delaying the inevitable development for the current generation of 5th graders, but are themselves doubly screwed...?

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Anonymous wrote:I got an email on our neighborhood listserv where one parent is trying to organize other IB families who are waitlisted for PK...to do what, I'm not sure. They want to go to the school to see if the class that had been eliminated (for space reasons) to be added back-- "for fairness." How short sighted- so fifth graders should have extra large classes so that affluent families don't have to pay for PK for another year?

Janney? Yes, that is short sighted.

Or could be Brent.

That e-mail was for Janney. I saw that on the list serv too.

NP here- how is it shortsighted? Not a Janney parent, but they need to prioritize the K-5 kids first, right? What's the argument for more PK?

Yes it's shortsighted to want a PK class added so you don't have to pay for another year of preschool at the expense of reasonably sized classes for fifth graders.

You realize all of these inbound kids are guaranteed a spot for kindergarten, right? They will be added to the school whether there's room for them or not because it's their inbound school. I don't understand shutting out pk3 and pk4 kids when they will probably wind up there in a year or two and the school will then have to accommodate the increase in class sizes.

I understand this point and agree with it to a large extent, having been shut out from PK at our IB school. However the larger issue that is looming is that many of the schools in question are severely lacking in space. So if there are literally no free classrooms and something has to give to accommodate another upper grade class, it will be a non-mandatory year (PK). At a number of DCPS elementaries, there is going to be a big increase in class sizes moving up through the ranks as the under 5 population is booming. DCPS is way, way behind the curve at planning for that and so the schools don't have space.

So the people who are shut out of PK right now to give the current 5th graders smaller class sizes will likely have to put up with larger class sizes themselves when they get to 5th... They are just delaying the inevitable development for the current generation of 5th graders, but are themselves doubly screwed...?

Yep, that may well happen. I'm not saying I agree with that at all, FWIW. My view is that the parents of upper elementary kids in big classes and the parents of PK kids (both those who got in and those who did not) should find common ground in pushing DCPS to expand capacity by adding space or new schools in areas of overcrowded schools or looming overcrowding.

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Anonymous wrote:I got an email on our neighborhood listserv where one parent is trying to organize other IB families who are waitlisted for PK...to do what, I'm not sure. They want to go to the school to see if the class that had been eliminated (for space reasons) to be added back-- "for fairness." How short sighted- so fifth graders should have extra large classes so that affluent families don't have to pay for PK for another year?

Janney? Yes, that is short sighted.

Or could be Brent.

That e-mail was for Janney. I saw that on the list serv too.

NP here- how is it shortsighted? Not a Janney parent, but they need to prioritize the K-5 kids first, right? What's the argument for more PK?

Yes it's shortsighted to want a PK class added so you don't have to pay for another year of preschool at the expense of reasonably sized classes for fifth graders.

It's not shortsighted, because there is no long-term benefit for the incoming (or shut out) PK kids to give up a PK class to allow for smaller fifth grade classes next year. The only ones who benefit are the rising fifth graders. So it's maybe selfish, but no more selfish than the upper elementary parents pushing for cutting PK to benefit their kids.

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5th is a compulsory grade. PK is not.

Move, pay for day care or private or enter the lottery for another school.

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Can someone let me know when the March on Janney by the PK4 shuouts will take place? I want to see the look on the faces of people used to getting their way when they don't this time.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone let me know when the March on Janney by the PK4 shuouts will take place? I want to see the look on the faces of people used to getting their way when they don't this time.

It's pretty common for janney IB families to get shut out actually. I was several years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:I got an email on our neighborhood listserv where one parent is trying to organize other IB families who are waitlisted for PK...to do what, I'm not sure. They want to go to the school to see if the class that had been eliminated (for space reasons) to be added back-- "for fairness." How short sighted- so fifth graders should have extra large classes so that affluent families don't have to pay for PK for another year?

Janney? Yes, that is short sighted.

Or could be Brent.

That e-mail was for Janney. I saw that on the list serv too.

NP here- how is it shortsighted? Not a Janney parent, but they need to prioritize the K-5 kids first, right? What's the argument for more PK?

Yes it's shortsighted to want a PK class added so you don't have to pay for another year of preschool at the expense of reasonably sized classes for fifth graders.

You realize all of these inbound kids are guaranteed a spot for kindergarten, right? They will be added to the school whether there's room for them or not because it's their inbound school. I don't understand shutting out pk3 and pk4 kids when they will probably wind up there in a year or two and the school will then have to accommodate the increase in class sizes.

There are already 5 K classes, which is enough to accomodate the demand when all IB kids can come in. The problem is literally space. So either 5th graders are put in jumbo classes (which was an experiment that at falled) or the school can have the extra PK4 classes. Of course it would be nice if we could also have 5 PK4 classes, but that's not an option.