% of students from your nova hs admitted to UVA

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Anonymous wrote:9:05 poster again. I think a more accurate statement is that it is more difficult to be in the top 10% of your class in NOVA compared to the rest of the state rather than "far fewer NOVA kids are accepted when compared to the rest of the state."

yes and good luck if you go to TJ, where the top 10% use UVA as a safety. We attended an admissions meeting where they said from out of state you better be wonderful.

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Anonymous wrote:9:05 poster again. I think a more accurate statement is that it is more difficult to be in the top 10% of your class in NOVA compared to the rest of the state rather than "far fewer NOVA kids are accepted when compared to the rest of the state."

yes and good luck if you go to TJ, where the top 10% use UVA as a safety. We attended an admissions meeting where they said from out of state you better be wonderful.

I don't think this is no longer true. 33 students from TJ are in the entering class at UVA this year. Most of their parents are asian-Americans who moved into Fairfax Public Schools solely to get them into the gifted programs then into TJ. They are very smart and cost-conscious When a family is looking at $65,000 to $72,000 a year in after tax dollars (meaning in my tax bracket i have to make $130k to $150K for one child's tuition a year) versus $12,000 a year (room and board extra at UVA), they think twice, especially 1) if there are siblings; 2) the kid may go on to graduate school (which most do); and 3) UVA just got named no. 1 public in the USA by Business Insider, bypassing UCLA, Berkeley and Michigan. Also over half our nation's students are taking more than 5 or 6 years to graduate, especially if they do overseas terms, so multiply that out even further. When parents are looking at an investment that equates to the price of a house (not the situation when most of us applied to college) for one child, they are much more apt to encourage their children to go to an xlnt in-state public and later go Ivy for graduate work, which is what I did. No one ever asks about where I went to college, but they do care about where I went to law school. Smart parents are putting their money there - graduate level - where it really counts. Also some fields like engineering offer extraordinary financial packages when you hit the Masters and Ph.D levels.

[Anonymous]

PP great logic. More than 33 students are attending from Tj. Last year 224 applied (1/3 of the class) 90 were accepted 60 went.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:9:05 poster again. I think a more accurate statement is that it is more difficult to be in the top 10% of your class in NOVA compared to the rest of the state rather than "far fewer NOVA kids are accepted when compared to the rest of the state."

yes and good luck if you go to TJ, where the top 10% use UVA as a safety. We attended an admissions meeting where they said from out of state you better be wonderful.

I don't think this is no longer true. 33 students from TJ are in the entering class at UVA this year. Most of their parents are asian-Americans who moved into Fairfax Public Schools solely to get them into the gifted programs then into TJ. They are very smart and cost-conscious When a family is looking at $65,000 to $72,000 a year in after tax dollars (meaning in my tax bracket i have to make $130k to $150K for one child's tuition a year) versus $12,000 a year (room and board extra at UVA), they think twice, especially 1) if there are siblings; 2) the kid may go on to graduate school (which most do); and 3) UVA just got named no. 1 public in the USA by Business Insider, bypassing UCLA, Berkeley and Michigan. Also over half our nation's students are taking more than 5 or 6 years to graduate, especially if they do overseas terms, so multiply that out even further. When parents are looking at an investment that equates to the price of a house (not the situation when most of us applied to college) for one child, they are much more apt to encourage their children to go to an xlnt in-state public and later go Ivy for graduate work, which is what I did. No one ever asks about where I went to college, but they do care about where I went to law school. Smart parents are putting their money there - graduate level - where it really counts. Also some fields like engineering offer extraordinary financial packages when you hit the Masters and Ph.D levels.

You lost me at the first sentence.

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Anonymous wrote:Not that I disagree that it's better not to have HS kids so stressed, overworked, etc. but frankly it's more than a shame that outstanding in-state students don't have a chance to get into their own state's flagship university. UVA is a well-regarded and nationally ranked school, but for many parents we still look at the lens of in-state tuition vs. OOS and it's tough knowing your high-achieving kid still has little chance to attend.

Virginia doesn't technically have a state flagship. Please stop acting like UVA is as tough as an Ivy or Stanford to get into. What percent did Stanford admit last year? 5%? UVA admitted 40% for in-state?

Yes, it's a great school, but let's not make our kids think it's the only acceptable in-state option. There are other schools in the state that are ranked well and well-regarded.

It's commonly regarded as the state flagship. William and Mary is also a Public Ivy, but is much smaller and not exactly a full research u. After those two,the options get bad.

You say this as if it's a bad thing. It's not for undergraduates. Being a research institution has far more bearing on graduate school. Undergraduate school is about teaching. Thus, W&M really is more likely to be a better experience for an undergraduate.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. No, I am neither an alum nor a parent of UVA. I just think the complaining is unfounded. As to the taxation question they receive $1000/kid/year, charge them $14,000/kid/year and probably spend about $35,000/kid/year educating them. So, they lose $20,000 on every in-state kid they take even if they are full pay. That's a pretty generous situation for every in-state kid there.

Then people complain that they can't get in. UVA says that 90 percent of the class was top 10% in their high school. Well 10% of the class is likely recruited athletes, of whom a majority were not in the top 10% in their high school grades. That means pretty much everyone else has to be for the statistic to fall in line. We have seen 50+ Mclean acceptances each of the past 3 years, and similar numbers reported from Marshall. Looks a lot like 10% of those classes got in. The one exception being TJ which goes much deeper than the 10 percent rule, and deservedly so. And it looks like their larger slice of the pie is coming out of the rest of the state. So, if your kid is top 10 percent at McLean, he's a good candidate. Same at Marshall, Madison, George Mason and Robinson. Langley too. But at Pulaski High he better be near number 1 because they sure aren't getting in at the 90th percentile unless they can block and tackle or hit a jump shot. Or some other explainable reason.

The people that complain the most are those whose kids are likely outside the top 10 percent. There just aren't enough seats once you fill the spots for the athletes, marching band, and first generation recruits for a high likelihood of acceptance below that threshold. And UVA doesn't seem to hide it. But everyone who pays taxes in the Commonwealth feels entitled to admission at the institution of their choosing.

So what's the answer? Pick some place else. There are dozens of Virginia colleges that give a good education. Pump up one of them with some pride rather than denigrating the place they didn't get in. Maybe junior was close and just missed the cut. Maybe it wash't that close. In any case don't complain that they didn't take your kid. They take plenty of kids from plenty of schools in the area.

The bolded statement, times one million. I had a conversation about this with a friend recently who was saying how "sad" it was that so many people move to Arlington for the access to great state schools but then their kids can't get into UVa. Why is that sad? Why did people assume their kids would get in to UVa? Why isn't it great news that other state schools will improve because there are so many strong students coming out of NoVa?

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10% of the class to have a serious shot. Extended to top 15% if an unusual circumstance.

Students outside the top 20% don't bother applying

And yes, even if school systems say they don't rank, a hierarchy exsists

The numbers say 20-30%.

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Either the numbers or wrong or you are looking at marketing designed to make your child apply only to be rejected (common ploy all colleges use now to increase selectivity numbers). 93% of the class of 2020 were in the top 10% of their class. http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2016/03/university-releases-admission-decisions-for-class-of-2020

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top 10% of the class to have a serious shot. Extended to top 15% if an unusual circumstance.

Students outside the top 20% don't bother applying

And yes, even if school systems say they don't rank, a hierarchy exsists

The numbers say 20-30%.

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Either the numbers or wrong or you are looking at marketing designed to make your child apply only to be rejected (common ploy all colleges use now to increase selectivity numbers). 93% of the class of 2020 were in the top 10% of their class. http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2016/03/university-releases-admission-decisions-for-class-of-2020

And the 7% that weren't are ALL athletes and URMs.

[Anonymous]

Fairfax doesn't report rank to the colleges. The numbers can only include those who had a rank reported.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fairfax doesn't report rank to the colleges. The numbers can only include those who had a rank reported.

That is a very important point! MoCo doesn't report rank either, and I'm guessing that is true of a lot of schools systems with a large percentage of highly achieving students. So the 93% figure is pretty misleading.

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Anonymous wrote:Fairfax doesn't report rank to the colleges. The numbers can only include those who had a rank reported.

That is a very important point! MoCo doesn't report rank either, and I'm guessing that is true of a lot of schools systems with a large percentage of highly achieving students. So the 93% figure is pretty misleading.

You are fooling yourself if you think UVA can't figure out which applicants are in the top 10% even if the school system doesn't rank. UVA and most selective colleges assign admissions officers on a geographic basis and it is each officer's job to know the ins and outs of each of the high schools in their area. The UVA admissions people know how a student with a 4.0 compares to a student with a 4.25 in each of their high schools and which ones are in the top 10%.


Arlington doesn't rank either and neither does my DS's private high school in DC. UVA figures it out regardless.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fairfax doesn't report rank to the colleges. The numbers can only include those who had a rank reported.

That is a very important point! MoCo doesn't report rank either, and I'm guessing that is true of a lot of schools systems with a large percentage of highly achieving students. So the 93% figure is pretty misleading.

You are fooling yourself if you think UVA can't figure out which applicants are in the top 10% even if the school system doesn't rank. UVA and most selective colleges assign admissions officers on a geographic basis and it is each officer's job to know the ins and outs of each of the high schools in their area. The UVA admissions people know how a student with a 4.0 compares to a student with a 4.25 in each of their high schools and which ones are in the top 10%.


Arlington doesn't rank either and neither does my DS's private high school in DC. UVA figures it out regardless.

Yup.

[Anonymous]

On this site
http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2016/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html

it says

92.8% of admitted students were in the top 10% of their high school class
This number only reflects those who attend schools that report rank.

[Anonymous]

UVA can't literally figure it out, and they cannot report it as a fact if they are using self-serving estimates. They can only report that data for students from schools that rank.

If you think about it, high-achieving high schools that send many students to top colleges have no incentive to rank students, whereas schools that place fewer students at top colleges can use the ranking system to focus attention more sharply on their best students. So what the 93% statistic is probably telling you is that if you are coming from a weaker school you have to be in the top 10%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On this site
http://uvaapplication.blogspot.com/2016/03/unofficial-admission-statistics-for.html

it says

92.8% of admitted students were in the top 10% of their high school class
This number only reflects those who attend schools that report rank.

So I'm not fooling myself as the know it all PP claimed? Excellent!