Let's talk about the debate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BO's healthcare reforms were described as outlandish, expensive, impractical, disastrous. Sanders' proposals have been enacted in many countries around the globe. The US is the richest nation in the history of mankind, and there's no reason why they couldn't work here. It's simply a matter of political (and corporate) will. Clinton herself chalks up it's destined failure to political will, not cost. She lacks the courage to ram it through...so do most other establishment Dems.

Obama's health proposal was too weak to work. He opposed the individual mandate and attacked Hillary for including it in her plan which was much better developed. Obama left it to Democrats in Congress to fill in the details so we ended up with as much as could pass the Senate - subsidies for coverage but relatively weak regulation of insurance, drug companies, and medical providers.

Sanders' proposal is a bad joke. It would never pass and would never work if it did pass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BO's healthcare reforms were described as outlandish, expensive, impractical, disastrous. Sanders' proposals have been enacted in many countries around the globe. The US is the richest nation in the history of mankind, and there's no reason why they couldn't work here. It's simply a matter of political (and corporate) will. Clinton herself chalks up it's destined failure to political will, not cost. She lacks the courage to ram it through...so do most other establishment Dems.

Please tell us what country has a successful national single-payer plan with no copays, no deductibles and no option for private insurance.

[Anonymous]

Bloomberg on the Republican Party's curious infatuation with Bernie:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bloomberg on the Republican Party's curious infatuation with Bernie:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders

They need to worry about their Trump problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Well, leading progressive economists and journalists who've reviewed the plan Sanders just released don't share your view of reality, at least as it applies to that. And that's opened the door to really looking at all his plans, and using terms like "half-baked" to describe them. But keep feeling the bern, my friend. The National Review thanks you.

If the Democrats had offered a viable option other than Clinton or Sanders, I'd have seriously considered the alternative. For me - a long time liberal - Clinton represents everything wrong with politics and so it goes against the grain to vote for her. Sanders has his flaws but he is honest and principled. I will take that any day over someone who I don't trust and is beholden to special interests.

The Clinton's called in all sorts of favors and paid off other potential runners in Chinese money donated to the Clinton Foundation.

That is why you have Banana Bernie and O'Malley.... Two sub par candidates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BO's healthcare reforms were described as outlandish, expensive, impractical, disastrous. Sanders' proposals have been enacted in many countries around the globe. The US is the richest nation in the history of mankind, and there's no reason why they couldn't work here. It's simply a matter of political (and corporate) will. Clinton herself chalks up it's destined failure to political will, not cost. She lacks the courage to ram it through...so do most other establishment Dems.

Clearly you haven't read the plan or the critique. Almost all of the other countries pay for it with a VAT, Bernie plans massive taxes to n everyone including a top rate of close to 60 percent, which would also apply to capital gains. Goodbye economy and that is just to pay for one day his policies dies.

Then he plans to massively decrease medical spending. Goodbye innovation and doctors and nurses with half a brain.

+1

[Anonymous]

Googling "who won the debate" in news outlets has most of them showing Sanders to be the winner...

Interestingly I also discovered Sanders picked up more Twitter followers during the last GOP debate than any of the Republican candidates. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/266013-sanders-again-steals-gop-debate-twitter-buzz

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Googling "who won the debate" in news outlets has most of them showing Sanders to be the winner...

Interestingly I also discovered Sanders picked up more Twitter followers during the last GOP debate than any of the Republican candidates. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/266013-sanders-again-steals-gop-debate-twitter-buzz

LOL, PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bloomberg on the Republican Party's curious infatuation with Bernie:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders

They're trying to pull off what Claire McCaskill did by manipulating the other party's primary to get a candidate more suitable to run against.

[Anonymous]

Hollander just declared an economic state of emergency, not exactly a rallying called for a socialist economy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hollander just declared an economic state of emergency, not exactly a rallying called for a socialist economy.

Hollande, I hate autocorrect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an American with German, French, and Canadian family, by marriage and extended. Many immigrants to these countries from elsewhere, so came to these nations from elsewhere (about half from oppressive communist countries). Guess what. They're doing well. Health care, child care, family leave, wages, education... They thrived. I received sad looks of condolence when I returned to work after 9 weeks post c section after baby 1, and considered quitting work after baby 2. My description of our college savings plans were met with gasps: HOW much does university cost??? When foreign grandparents got cancers or heart disease, their health care was covered, period. How bad is that life? Not bad at all...

Are you familiar with Medicare? The elderly are covered here too and have been for decades.

No exactly. I still work and pay $503 a month for Medicare, $2,023 a year or supplemental coverage and $53.00 monthly for drug coverage. My doctor will not accept Medicare, so I pay him out of pocket. How is this free?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an American with German, French, and Canadian family, by marriage and extended. Many immigrants to these countries from elsewhere, so came to these nations from elsewhere (about half from oppressive communist countries). Guess what. They're doing well. Health care, child care, family leave, wages, education... They thrived. I received sad looks of condolence when I returned to work after 9 weeks post c section after baby 1, and considered quitting work after baby 2. My description of our college savings plans were met with gasps: HOW much does university cost??? When foreign grandparents got cancers or heart disease, their health care was covered, period. How bad is that life? Not bad at all...

Are you familiar with Medicare? The elderly are covered here too and have been for decades.

No exactly. I still work and pay $503 a month for Medicare, $2,023 a year or supplemental coverage and $53.00 monthly for drug coverage. My doctor will not accept Medicare, so I pay him out of pocket. How is this free?

Who said free, the care is covered. If you were truly poor, Medicaid would cover the difference,

Obamacare was just enacted two years ago. This is hardly the most pressing issue.

[Anonymous]

The original poster said healthcare was covered for older relatives living outside the states

Second poster said Medicare covered elderly

I inferred from first poster that"covered" meant free

I inferred from second poster that " covered" meant free

Medicare s not "covered," it is costly.

[Anonymous]

Robert Reich writes he has reviewed BS's overall plan, and it is sound and a huge improvement over what is currently and what was before in place.