AG Racine Sues Two MPD Officer for Residency Fraud

[Anonymous]

I wonder if signing that form, they call it "part C", has deterred anyone. It really doesnt do anything, just something that could be brought up in court and someone could claim that they were confused about what "residency" means, as other pos have noted.

Has dcps stepped up investigations?

A kid at our school seemed to leave abruptly a few months ago, saying they were moving. MD plates, people who knew them said they lived in md. Maybe they were getting investigated?

[Anonymous]

Y'all are overthinking this. We all know what residency means. It is generally not an term that a court is going to find ambiguous, even if you were to argue that residency and domicile are not necessarily synonymous. Your permanent residence is determined by a number of objective indicia, including where your driver's license was issued, where you register your vehicle, where you vote, where you pay income tax, where you claim a homestead-type exemption on your property tax, whether you insured your out-of-state property as your primary residence, etc. The case will settle and yet cheaters are going to keep on cheating. It's how they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on, "residency" means you LIVE THERE, not that you own a property. Residency and ownership are two different terms that can overlap, but dont have to.

It did NOT mean that in 2008. I posted a non-public document that explains this. The proof of residency statue defines, parent, it defines child, but it does not define residency. I am not arguing the definition of residency, I am just looking for a place on the DC government web page where it is defined, since the definition has obviously been changed and non-public documents define it.

Under no definition that I can find in any dictionary or statute does "reside" mean "own."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on, "residency" means you LIVE THERE, not that you own a property. Residency and ownership are two different terms that can overlap, but dont have to.

It did NOT mean that in 2008. I posted a non-public document that explains this. The proof of residency statue defines, parent, it defines child, but it does not define residency. I am not arguing the definition of residency, I am just looking for a place on the DC government web page where it is defined, since the definition has obviously been changed and non-public documents define it.

Under no definition that I can find in any dictionary or statute does "reside" mean "own."

When you own a residence in DC you can claim you have a residency in DC. Unless it is clearly explained And I was on the jury, I would let them off, especially since owning a residence was enough to claim residency in the past. You can't just change the meaning of residency and not let the public know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Y'all are overthinking this. We all know what residency means. It is generally not an term that a court is going to find ambiguous, even if you were to argue that residency and domicile are not necessarily synonymous. Your permanent residence is determined by a number of objective indicia, including where your driver's license was issued, where you register your vehicle, where you vote, where you pay income tax, where you claim a homestead-type exemption on your property tax, whether you insured your out-of-state property as your primary residence, etc. The case will settle and yet cheaters are going to keep on cheating. It's how they do.

Where is that defined? In the past it was defined as owning a property in DC. We also know what child means but it is defined, why didn't they define residency?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on, "residency" means you LIVE THERE, not that you own a property. Residency and ownership are two different terms that can overlap, but dont have to.

It did NOT mean that in 2008. I posted a non-public document that explains this. The proof of residency statue defines, parent, it defines child, but it does not define residency. I am not arguing the definition of residency, I am just looking for a place on the DC government web page where it is defined, since the definition has obviously been changed and non-public documents define it.

Under no definition that I can find in any dictionary or statute does "reside" mean "own."

When you own a residence in DC you can claim you have a residency in DC. Unless it is clearly explained And I was on the jury, I would let them off, especially since owning a residence was enough to claim residency in the past. You can't just change the meaning of residency and not let the public know.

Then you would be a bad juror because you would be wrong.

[Anonymous]

you get in-state tuition at a college if you own property in the state. Don't have to live there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:you get in-state tuition at a college if you own property in the state. Don't have to live there

Not enough - at least not everywhere. See, for example, Virginia. http://www.schev.edu/students/vadomicile.asp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:you get in-state tuition at a college if you own property in the state. Don't have to live there

Each state is different - it is not only about property ownership. For some states it is paying state income taxes, for some it is graduating high school or history of residency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on, "residency" means you LIVE THERE, not that you own a property. Residency and ownership are two different terms that can overlap, but dont have to.

It did NOT mean that in 2008. I posted a non-public document that explains this. The proof of residency statue defines, parent, it defines child, but it does not define residency. I am not arguing the definition of residency, I am just looking for a place on the DC government web page where it is defined, since the definition has obviously been changed and non-public documents define it.

Under no definition that I can find in any dictionary or statute does "reside" mean "own."

When you own a residence in DC you can claim you have a residency in DC. Unless it is clearly explained And I was on the jury, I would let them off, especially since owning a residence was enough to claim residency in the past. You can't just change the meaning of residency and not let the public know.

Okay, hypothetical juror, what about the other family who was paying rent on the apartment that they claimed as residency? Are they also residents? How many families are allowed to claim residency at one address at the same time? It will be very difficult to fund the public schools if you allow unlimited families to use a single address.

I doubt very much that the AG is bringing a $250 K lawsuit if he's not sure that DC law is clear on the term "residency." If he does lose this suit, I'm sure that council will quickly move to clarify the law, because this is total BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on, "residency" means you LIVE THERE, not that you own a property. Residency and ownership are two different terms that can overlap, but dont have to.

It did NOT mean that in 2008. I posted a non-public document that explains this. The proof of residency statue defines, parent, it defines child, but it does not define residency. I am not arguing the definition of residency, I am just looking for a place on the DC government web page where it is defined, since the definition has obviously been changed and non-public documents define it.

Under no definition that I can find in any dictionary or statute does "reside" mean "own."

When you own a residence in DC you can claim you have a residency in DC. Unless it is clearly explained And I was on the jury, I would let them off, especially since owning a residence was enough to claim residency in the past. You can't just change the meaning of residency and not let the public know.

Okay, hypothetical juror, what about the other family who was paying rent on the apartment that they claimed as residency? Are they also residents? How many families are allowed to claim residency at one address at the same time? It will be very difficult to fund the public schools if you allow unlimited families to use a single address.

I doubt very much that the AG is bringing a $250 K lawsuit if he's not sure that DC law is clear on the term "residency." If he does lose this suit, I'm sure that council will quickly move to clarify the law, because this is total BS.

If anybody provided real documents that show residency I would say they were residents. Only time will tell, lawsuits are lost all the time.

[Anonymous]

Legal mumbo-jumbo aside, this family knew they were cheating the system. 100%. I knew them and know plenty of other families who knew them too. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Also, legally, how can you claim an address as your family's residence and also enter into a rental agreement on that same property? Big fat lie there. Sounds like the AG found a solid piece of evidence. Good for dc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Legal mumbo-jumbo aside, this family knew they were cheating the system. 100%. I knew them and know plenty of other families who knew them too. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Also, legally, how can you claim an address as your family's residence and also enter into a rental agreement on that same property? Big fat lie there. Sounds like the AG found a solid piece of evidence. Good for dc.

I can claim that I own a residence if I own one and relent it. There is no document they signed that says it has to be their primary residence.

Unless you can prove they knew you "knowing" is meaningless.

Maybe They can sue you for being an accomplice for knowing and not doing anything.

[Anonymous]

How do you know that i did nothing?
Why are you so interested in defending/justifying this clear example of stealing from dc taxpayers?
Maybe you are committing residency fraud too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you know that i did nothing?
Why are you so interested in defending/justifying this clear example of stealing from dc taxpayers?
Maybe you are committing residency fraud too.

I simply ask for. A link to public page where it states that is had to be a "primary" residency. Nobody can provide it, but I did provide an internal document.

Why are you so defensive? Did you turn them in and you realize they will not get convicted because DC govt never dots the i's and crosses their t's.