Which colleges are the B students going to from the top independent schools?

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People who say public school grades are anything like he rigorous private school grades really have no clue.

[Anonymous]

A solid A Student- good chance at all Ivies plus top ranked states and Harvey Mudd, Middlebury, Williams, Stanford

A- Student: Michigan,Kenyon, William & Mary, UVA, Pomona, Bowdoin, Ivy Specialty Schools(I.e. Cornell Human Ecology, Upenn Nursing etc.), Wellesley, Lehigh, UCLA etc.
Straight A's -all Ivies plus top ranked states

A/B student: , Colby, Hamilton, BC, Oberlin, Wesleyan, Conn College , Scripps, Pitzer, Spellman, GWU, Washington & Lee, UT Austin, Villanova, Wisconsin, USC etc.

B/C student: Pepperdine, SMU, College of Charleston, Elon, High Point, Clark, BU,Northeastern, Trinity, Dickinson, Denison Muhlenberg, Ithaca, Lewis and Clark, UDel, Drexel, American, Kenyon, Rollins, Random southern state schools (Ole Miss, University of South Carolina, UGA)

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Anonymous wrote:The reason kids from Sidwell ( and a few other schools in DC that grade stringently) get into very competitive schools with Bs is that the colleges know about grade deflation at Sidwell. Competitive colleges and universities have a formula that they use to adjust grade point averages up or down and these are marked on the admissions folder prior to it being read by the admissions officer. Also the admissions officers themselves know what grades mean from these schools. There is another thread in which this process is described in some detail.

+1. It would probably be more informative to ask about admissions for the middle deciles or the lower half of the class distribution.

+2 Although B students who attend a school like Sidwell with harsher grading standards would probably be admitted to most of the schools on the "B student" list (though I, too think Carleton & W & L need to trade places on these lists with Lehigh), B students from many schools -- both public & private --would be unlikely to get admitted to most of the schools on that list without a significant hook.

I think all of the privates in DC and Close-in burbs (Bethesda, Potomac, McLean, Alexandria) have much tougher grading standards than public (with exception of magnets).

[Anonymous]

What if you have a decent how 3.5 at a big three but a couple of c's freshman and sophomore year

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Anonymous wrote:What if you have a decent how 3.5 at a big three but a couple of c's freshman and sophomore year

My DS had a C on his transcript from 9th grade, but grades after that were all As and Bs, including As in the most rigorous STEM classes. He's at an Ivy.

[Anonymous]

I think you can survive one or two Cs. I honestly think most of the information on this thread is incorrect. My child attends one of the "Big 3" private schools, and students with A- averages (a combo of As and high Bs) are admitted to Ivys. One or two Cs early on won't matter either. If you have gone through a very difficult school with mostly As and B+ grades and have taken good classes, you are most certainly Ivy material. Whether you get in or not then depends on how interesting you are to the committee -- essays, interests, leadership, experiences -- and that is the part you can't control. Alumni connections definitely help .

[Anonymous]

Colby and Bates are ranked higher than Kenyon.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if you have a decent how 3.5 at a big three but a couple of c's freshman and sophomore year

My DS had a C on his transcript from 9th grade, but grades after that were all As and Bs, including As in the most rigorous STEM classes. He's at an Ivy.

Sorry this is hard for me to believes- c"s and at an ivy? I doubt it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What if you have a decent how 3.5 at a big three but a couple of c's freshman and sophomore year

My DS had a C on his transcript from 9th grade, but grades after that were all As and Bs, including As in the most rigorous STEM classes. He's at an Ivy.

Sorry this is hard for me to believes- c"s and at an ivy? I doubt it

I know at least 3-4 kids from SFS who are at Ivys with a "C" or two on the transcript. Not a deal breaker at a school that routinely gives grades of C. The lowest passing grade at SFS is a "D." At other schools, like STA, it's a C.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think you can survive one or two Cs. I honestly think most of the information on this thread is incorrect. My child attends one of the "Big 3" private schools, and students with A- averages (a combo of As and high Bs) are admitted to Ivys. One or two Cs early on won't matter either. If you have gone through a very difficult school with mostly As and B+ grades and have taken good classes, you are most certainly Ivy material. Whether you get in or not then depends on how interesting you are to the committee -- essays, interests, leadership, experiences -- and that is the part you can't control. Alumni connections definitely help .

I kind of think you're overstating the group that is eligible for an Ivy. A student with mostly As and B+ grades in good classes, but without legacy/recruited athlete/URM status is not necessarily Ivy material -- maybe, but also maybe not. When schools have admission rates going from 7 - 12%, there's a high margin of error and sometimes kids are just on the other side of the margin, so to speak.

Bottom line, there are tons of good colleges and the kids will have lots of good choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think you can survive one or two Cs. I honestly think most of the information on this thread is incorrect. My child attends one of the "Big 3" private schools, and students with A- averages (a combo of As and high Bs) are admitted to Ivys. One or two Cs early on won't matter either. If you have gone through a very difficult school with mostly As and B+ grades and have taken good classes, you are most certainly Ivy material. Whether you get in or not then depends on how interesting you are to the committee -- essays, interests, leadership, experiences -- and that is the part you can't control. Alumni connections definitely help .

I kind of think you're overstating the group that is eligible for an Ivy. A student with mostly As and B+ grades in good classes, but without legacy/recruited athlete/URM status is not necessarily Ivy material -- maybe, but also maybe not. When schools have admission rates going from 7 - 12%, there's a high margin of error and sometimes kids are just on the other side of the margin, so to speak.

Bottom line, there are tons of good colleges and the kids will have lots of good choices.

I am ghe previous poster, and I completely agree with your clarification. There is so much more involved than just grades. I just meant to say that one or two Cs is not necessarily disqualifying. And yes, lots of good colleges out there.

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Anonymous wrote:Completely anecdotal from my DD's school over the past few years... assume $ isn't a factor because then it is a different game. This is reflective of a typical UMC unhooked student (did not include the student with Cs who is now at Stanford due to parental sway and boat loads of $$$$$ etc.

A student: Ivies, MIT, CalTech, Williams, Amherst etc.

A/B Student: Michigan, William & Mary, Pomona, Bowdoin, Ivy Specialty Schools(I.e. Cornell Human Ecology, Upenn Nursing etc.), Wellesley, Lehigh, UCLA etc.

B student: Bates, Colby, Hamilton, BC, BU, Oberlin, Mcallister, Carleton, Scripps, Pitzer, Spellman, GWU, Washington & Lee, UT Austin, Villanova, Wisconsin, USC etc.

B/C student: Pepperdine, SMU, College of Charleston, Elon, High Point, Clark, Conn College, Trinity, Dickinson, Denison Muhlenberg, Ithaca, Lewis and Clark, UDel, Drexel, American, Kenyon, Rollins, Random southern state schools (Ole Miss, University of South Carolina, UGA)

This poster would benefit from looking at the Common Data Sets for these schools. Michigan, BU, Lehigh are easier to get into than most of the colleges listed in the B student category - except GW, Villanova and Wisconsin. Also, the B/C category combines third tier and second tier schools - you don't get into Conn Collge, Trinity, or Kenyon with a C average. Look at the Common Data Sets if you're really interested OP. Go to the institutional research tab on a given college's website.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Completely anecdotal from my DD's school over the past few years... assume $ isn't a factor because then it is a different game. This is reflective of a typical UMC unhooked student (did not include the student with Cs who is now at Stanford due to parental sway and boat loads of $$$$$ etc.

A student: Ivies, MIT, CalTech, Williams, Amherst etc.

A/B Student: Michigan, William & Mary, Pomona, Bowdoin, Ivy Specialty Schools(I.e. Cornell Human Ecology, Upenn Nursing etc.), Wellesley, Lehigh, UCLA etc.

B student: Bates, Colby, Hamilton, BC, BU, Oberlin, Mcallister, Carleton, Scripps, Pitzer, Spellman, GWU, Washington & Lee, UT Austin, Villanova, Wisconsin, USC etc.

B/C student: Pepperdine, SMU, College of Charleston, Elon, High Point, Clark, Conn College, Trinity, Dickinson, Denison Muhlenberg, Ithaca, Lewis and Clark, UDel, Drexel, American, Kenyon, Rollins, Random southern state schools (Ole Miss, University of South Carolina, UGA)

This poster would benefit from looking at the Common Data Sets for these schools. Michigan, BU, Lehigh are easier to get into than most of the colleges listed in the B student category - except GW, Villanova and Wisconsin. Also, the B/C category combines third tier and second tier schools - you don't get into Conn Collge, Trinity, or Kenyon with a C average. Look at the Common Data Sets if you're really interested OP. Go to the institutional research tab on a given college's website.

The common data set is misleading for state schools like Michigan and UVA though. The admission and data often reflects lower stats for in state students. They both have admit rates in the low 20s for out of state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At schools like Carleton, NESCACs, William and Mary, Claremonts and the like, some more marginal private school kids get in because they apply ED. The counselors who are smart encourage them to do so. If they were in RD pool, they may get waitlisted. Also PP I wouldn't rule out Carleton for your DD depending on her GPA.

This is a good point in my opinion.