residency cheater

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Anonymous wrote:Stokes parent here. Residency cheating is pretty rampant at Stokes and the school really doesn't care. My son's best friend lives in MD. The mother admitted it. He's had sleepovers at his house. We reported it to OSSE and the school, they were told that they had been reported and they submitted the same fradulent documents as before, which were happily accepted by the school.

The trouble is that the system is broken. Part of the reporting procedure asks the parent doing the reporting to prove which fraudulent documents the residency frauds turned into the school. How am I supposed to know that?

Reported your son's best friend huh? Wow.

Yes. Does this offend you?

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Anonymous wrote:In bounds or OOB? Why would an MD family send their DC to DCPS when MCPS has good options?

You do realize that MD is not JUST MOCO, right? PG is just as close and I'd bet that if there is truly a MD family there, they are from PG.

-Signed a PG resident who applied to MySchoolDC with a DC address and got matched at a HRCS

Don't take the bait. Please.

14:10 here. Forgot to add that we are able to prove DC residency. We aren't crazies who just played the lottery with a made-up address.

You can't prove DC residency without violating DC law in the event you are actually a resident of PG County. You can be a resident of two different jurisdictions supimultaneously. You may not consider your self a crazy, but you are nevertheless a thief engaging in an act of criminal fraud.

I'm not either of these PPs, but re: teh bolded language above -- which I think the PP meant to say "You CAN'T be a resident of two different jurisdictions....". Not to play devil's advocate, but.... there is not a single place in the DC education law (direclty or by reference) that defines "resident" for these purpuses. If you start to look at the definition of "resident" for other legal purposes, there are actually a ton of laws under which you can be a resident of two places at once. For example, federal US tax law defines resident to include any US citizen. Regardless of whether you live in the US. So you can have been born here and lived in Canada your whole life, and you clearly and untestedly fall within the definition of "resident" for US tax law.

Therefore, when a law is intended to apply to only one place of residence, you wlil generally see terms like "primary residence" or "closest connection". So, to use the above example, US tax treaties with other countries always talk about residence as the place you have a closer connection with - so you don't get double-taxed by both countries. The DC education laws make no reference to "primary residence" or anything simliar. Just residence. So actually, if you took it to court on the basis that you had two residences (even if you didn't really live in the DC residence), i think you'd probably win.

I don't know if PP with the DC/MD address has a legitimate residence in DC, but assuming they keep two properties, but happen to sleep most of the time in MD, I think by law they would be entitled to DC schools.

Winner! Actually Mitt Romney had two or three residences. He lived in Utah but ran for governor of Massachusetts.

But his legal residence was Mass. Where you are legally resident determines all sorts of things, including where your kids can go to public school.

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Anonymous wrote:I would just be VERY SURE the student has no ties to your district. A friend of my childs got called on 4-5 times during a semester she was mainly staying with her grandmother because her mother was going through intensive chemo and as a family they all stayed at the childs grandparents house/mothers parents house. They lived in the appropriate district but when people say the grandmas car all the time at pick up with the wrong license plate they would call. I felt so bad for the mother and child because they were really trying to keep things low key and it turned into anything but.

Thank you! We do realize that people do have cars registered in different states, right? People don't always change things over (for their own personal reasons). I know of several DC residents who have MD/VA registered cars, and MD residents who have DC registered cars. We don't know 100% about people's personal lives and I don't think it's up to us to try to figure it out.

Then they are committing motor vehicle, tax and insurance fraud.

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Anonymous wrote:How do we know that not just one parent lives in Maryland while the other lives in DC? Stop being a snitch, OP!

Shut up! The only person who needs to stop is you, idiot.

I mean, I made a valid point, though. How do we know that the parent actually lives in DC but has MD registered tags? How do we know that the child actually belongs to a legal guardian who lives in DC? How do we know that these people's permanent address isn't a DC address, but they are temporarily living elsewhere? These are all things that have to be considered before you just go telling on people.

No. You should report the red flag. Let DCPS then investigate and consider what the facts are.

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Anonymous wrote:Stokes parent here. Residency cheating is pretty rampant at Stokes and the school really doesn't care. My son's best friend lives in MD. The mother admitted it. He's had sleepovers at his house. We reported it to OSSE and the school, they were told that they had been reported and they submitted the same fradulent documents as before, which were happily accepted by the school.

The trouble is that the system is broken. Part of the reporting procedure asks the parent doing the reporting to prove which fraudulent documents the residency frauds turned into the school. How am I supposed to know that?

Reported your son's best friend huh? Wow.

+1

+1000. I get that it's wrong and illegal, but where is your humanity? Have you no soul?

Tell it to those that got totally shut out (and are legitimate DC residents). Tell it to those on the wait list who just miss out on getting in. Then let's chat about my soul.

I have been shut out and wait-listed for two consecutive and I really don't get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Just report the people! if you're wrong, they'll have been inconvenienced by someone checking them out. I, for one, wouldn't mind if someone checked me out because I'm a bonafide DC resident. If you're right, a deserving DC child will get a space in a sought after school. It's a win-win IMO. People worth a damn are in favor of preserving DC resources for DC people. Let the investigations begin! Only cheaters would be pissed at this.

Absolutely correct.

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Anonymous wrote:And I'm not soulless. I just find it DISGUSTING that some mom would be okay turning their kid into criminal at worst, liar at best.

Yeah, sure... the little kid knows about IB and OOB....

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Anonymous wrote:My friend lives half time in the Hamptons and half time in the west village. Is she a residence cheat too? Oh wait, no. She's rich.

I just truly do not understand the mindset that could loom at a small child, with a family dedicated enough to drive them to school every day (possibly from far away), and then try and have them kicked out, based on some partial information about their personal life that you do not know.

You can't be a very happy person. Even with your child in the jklm. This we know.

You can only have one legal residence.

It's hard For me to sympathize with DC government employees who live in PG but sneak their kids into DCPS for the convenient and cheap daycare.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks OP! I think what you are doing great

Applause and Curtain! Can we shut this down now? This is a rehash of a rehash of a rehash of a...

Why do you want to shut this thread down? Isn't it past your bedtime already out there in Landover?

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Anonymous wrote:We're moving out of DC for the last two months of the school year, but we want to keep DS in his DC school to finish out the year instead of being "new kid" for the last seven weeks. What does DCUM say?

I say your children shouldn't be punished for a family decision and the amount of disruption is not a good reason for someone to go after you.

No one cares about finishing out the last two month of the year. They care a lot about ongoing residency fraud.

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Anonymous wrote:And I'm not soulless. I just find it DISGUSTING that some mom would be okay turning their kid into criminal at worst, liar at best.

The kid is not a criminal or a liar. I'm with you on reporting but why do you have so much disdain directed at the kid?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here.
I know the PG county (yes, it's PG) address and phone number for this family (via simple google search). I know they don't live in the DC house because I am friends with the people who own the house!
It appears these cheaters picked an address out of the phone book and it worked (so far).
I will keep emailing and calling until this is resolved.
I hate this kind of deception.

That sounds ridiculous. A random address??? Ummm.... No way! How did they give any proof of residency then?

When my youngest was at our JKLM two years ago there was a family there who had found a house under foreclosure and used that as their bogus address. A classmate lived next door to the foreclosed house and was quite surprised when the school directory came out to see a family listed in a house that literally had a padlock from the bank on the front door. We don't feed Deal but I'm pretty sure the kids are somehow at Deal now.

So not a random address, but not one with any legitimate connection.

I do not believe this story. There has been a moratorium on foreclosures in the District for quite some time now. They are just now starting to issue title policies for foreclosures. There were not any foreclosures in all of DC 2 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:And I'm not soulless. I just find it DISGUSTING that some mom would be okay turning their kid into criminal at worst, liar at best.

The kid is not a criminal or a liar. I'm with you on reporting but why do you have so much disdain directed at the kid?

The disdain is directed at the scammer parents. But the kid should not be a reason to withhold reporting suspected fraud.

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Anonymous wrote:Just report the people! if you're wrong, they'll have been inconvenienced by someone checking them out. I, for one, wouldn't mind if someone checked me out because I'm a bonafide DC resident. If you're right, a deserving DC child will get a space in a sought after school. It's a win-win IMO. People worth a damn are in favor of preserving DC resources for DC people. Let the investigations begin! Only cheaters would be pissed at this.

Absolutely correct.

Well, then if the accusation is unfounded consequences might occurred, as the investigation would have been a waste of public funds and resources.

This method you are proposing -more of the Middle Ages, French/Spanish/Italian Inquisition type- might be used as an instrument of harassment and discrimination. How would a family feel after being accused by 7 families dozens of times because, for example, they simply don't like them?

FWIW, we have been shut out every single year we have applied to the lottery, so no, I am -obviously- not a cheater.

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This is an issue not just in JKLMM but in other public schools and charters. When my kids were at John Eaton, there were a ton of kids there who lived in Prince George's. Heck, even the principal at the time, "Dr." Willie McElroy, resided in MD and yet his son was at Eaton . Talk about a signal that residency fraud was no problem. At the time, Eaton had no tuition paying students. The principal was later forced out.