21 Egyptian Christians Beheaded in Libya

[Anonymous]

Well, I hope Sisi bombs the hell out of them in Libya. ISIS really underestimated Egypt if they thought Egypt wouldn't avenge the murder of Egyptian Christians. But it means more violence in Egypt, sadly. ISIS sympathizers have been pummeling Sinai. I only expect that to get worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Listen, this debate over whether Islam as a whole is "bad" or "violent" versus whether it is just some Muslims who are twisting their religion occurs constantly on this forum. I don't think anyone's mind is going to change.

But to the people who insist that Islam itself is the problem, let's just continue with your train of thought instead of trying to disagree. Islam is violent and bad. Now what? A billion people follow this religion. If we decide it's "bad" what exactly have we gained from this knowledge? Should we just be incredibly distrusting of Muslims all the time? Because newsflash, we already are.

The debate goes on and on but I don't think it is useless. For myself, I am trying to understand where the barbarism of ISIS comes from. The simplistic explanations -- they are just lunatics, it is the nature of Islam, it is a reaction to years of Western imperialism -- might each have a very tiny bit of truth, but none of them come close to being sufficient.

For me the subject is academic, but I sometimes need to remind myself that for my Muslim friends, neighbors and co-workers, the subject an be a painful one. I do try to be careful with my language but I am sure that I don't always succeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listen, this debate over whether Islam as a whole is "bad" or "violent" versus whether it is just some Muslims who are twisting their religion occurs constantly on this forum. I don't think anyone's mind is going to change.

But to the people who insist that Islam itself is the problem, let's just continue with your train of thought instead of trying to disagree. Islam is violent and bad. Now what? A billion people follow this religion. If we decide it's "bad" what exactly have we gained from this knowledge? Should we just be incredibly distrusting of Muslims all the time? Because newsflash, we already are.

The debate goes on and on but I don't think it is useless. For myself, I am trying to understand where the barbarism of ISIS comes from. The simplistic explanations -- they are just lunatics, it is the nature of Islam, it is a reaction to years of Western imperialism -- might each have a very tiny bit of truth, but none of them come close to being sufficient.

For me the subject is academic, but I sometimes need to remind myself that for my Muslim friends, neighbors and co-workers, the subject an be a painful one. I do try to be careful with my language but I am sure that I don't always succeed.

And what exactly have you learned about the issue from the debates on here? I've learned... nothing from the constant "Aha! Religion of peace!" comments and the ensuing back and forth. It's a disagreement. There isn't a clear cut reason why this violence is happening. We don't need to look back at the origins of Islam or some vague "western imperialism" from 200 years ago here. A big contributor is the lawlessness and power vacuum brought on by our invasion of Iraq. But no, we'd rather figure out what's wrong with Islam, I guess, and not figure out what WE, as American citizens, can do to keep our country from screwing up the region even more.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
The debate goes on and on but I don't think it is useless. For myself, I am trying to understand where the barbarism of ISIS comes from. The simplistic explanations -- they are just lunatics, it is the nature of Islam, it is a reaction to years of Western imperialism -- might each have a very tiny bit of truth, but none of them come close to being sufficient.

For me the subject is academic, but I sometimes need to remind myself that for my Muslim friends, neighbors and co-workers, the subject an be a painful one. I do try to be careful with my language but I am sure that I don't always succeed.

The origin of ISIS can be addressed in several different dimensions. Here are several aspects:

1) the history of IS/ISIS/ISIL/al-Qaida in Iraq/Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad
2) the development of the religious/political thought that forms the basis of the group's ideology originating with Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab
3) the characteristics of its political agenda that reject the nation/state and harken to a period preceding the Treaty of Westphalia
4) the movement as a reaction to colonialism, imperialism, and foreign hegemony.

Books can be written on this topic and I am sure many will be -- most of them lousy. But, I think the difficulty in explaining IS is our inherent need to simplify things to make them understandable. The world view of IS is so radically different from what we are used to that we are on different intellectual planes. They don't just reject colonialism, but the entire nation-state system that made it possible. In many ways, the Islam practiced by IS attempts to be more pure than that practiced by Muhammad himself. Certainly it is more extreme than any of the previous Islamic empires. For instance, IS routinely destroys cultural icons that existed under Muslim rule for centuries. They are not trying to return to the past, but to a time that never existed. And, when it's all said and done, you really have to wonder if they really came up with all of these ideas or are just on the back of a tiger and making things up as they go along. There are times that you can't tell serious political thought from the drunken ramblings of a guy in the bar.

[Anonymous]

ISIS burns 45 people to death in IRAQ.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2957471/ISIS-burn-45-people-death-captured-Iraqi-town-Baghdadi-Islamists-attack-homes-security-forces-families.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is this - Americans are asleep. We are fools if we think this isn't coming here. It is. Radical Islam is a cancer. Cancer spreads until it is cut out and completely annihilated. Egyptian Christians being beheaded in mass makes us sad. It makes us gasp. It hurts our hearts. Hearing that a pilot was placed in a cage and burned alive sears images into our heads that we push away. Children being crucified is horrifying. It's too painful and too ugly to think about. We are shocked and angry and sad. But we lose interest quickly and go back to our daily lives.

It will be here next. That is not a doomsday prediction. Unless we take steps to rid the world of this cancer, it will spread. I am as liberal as they come. I hate war. I have two sons who have already done two tours each in that god-forsaken part of the country. The last thing I want to see is more troops deployed. It's time to take it up a notch. Bomb the fuck out of every single place ISIS is know to train. Sorry about the civilian causalities. Their lives were pretty damn shitty to begin with. Sometimes death is better. And if a nuclear option becomes necessary, at least it ends the war. It worked last time.

Very well said. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The reality is this - Americans are asleep. We are fools if we think this isn't coming here. It is. Radical Islam is a cancer. Cancer spreads until it is cut out and completely annihilated. Egyptian Christians being beheaded in mass makes us sad. It makes us gasp. It hurts our hearts. Hearing that a pilot was placed in a cage and burned alive sears images into our heads that we push away. Children being crucified is horrifying. It's too painful and too ugly to think about. We are shocked and angry and sad. But we lose interest quickly and go back to our daily lives.

It will be here next. That is not a doomsday prediction. Unless we take steps to rid the world of this cancer, it will spread. I am as liberal as they come. I hate war. I have two sons who have already done two tours each in that god-forsaken part of the country. The last thing I want to see is more troops deployed. It's time to take it up a notch. Bomb the fuck out of every single place ISIS is know to train. Sorry about the civilian causalities. Their lives were pretty damn shitty to begin with. Sometimes death is better. And if a nuclear option becomes necessary, at least it ends the war. It worked last time.


Very well said. Thank you.

No it is time to let the countries in the region deal with this problem. No more US doing anything. Let's just wait, they will kill some Turks soon. The Turks can take them out anytime they want to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is this - Americans are asleep. We are fools if we think this isn't coming here. It is. Radical Islam is a cancer. Cancer spreads until it is cut out and completely annihilated. Egyptian Christians being beheaded in mass makes us sad. It makes us gasp. It hurts our hearts. Hearing that a pilot was placed in a cage and burned alive sears images into our heads that we push away. Children being crucified is horrifying. It's too painful and too ugly to think about. We are shocked and angry and sad. But we lose interest quickly and go back to our daily lives.

It will be here next. That is not a doomsday prediction. Unless we take steps to rid the world of this cancer, it will spread. I am as liberal as they come. I hate war. I have two sons who have already done two tours each in that god-forsaken part of the country. The last thing I want to see is more troops deployed. It's time to take it up a notch. Bomb the fuck out of every single place ISIS is know to train. Sorry about the civilian causalities. Their lives were pretty damn shitty to begin with. Sometimes death is better. And if a nuclear option becomes necessary, at least it ends the war. It worked last time.

Very well said. Thank you.

So, are you two political geniuses interested in bombing France and Denmark? Because the terrorists in those countries were born there. And it's nice that you've decided that civilian lives in these places are no biggie. At least you're admitting it. You can bomb and bomb and bomb and you'll just be creating more terrorists as you go along. This isn't a problem that can be solved with bombs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is this - Americans are asleep. We are fools if we think this isn't coming here. It is. Radical Islam is a cancer. Cancer spreads until it is cut out and completely annihilated. Egyptian Christians being beheaded in mass makes us sad. It makes us gasp. It hurts our hearts. Hearing that a pilot was placed in a cage and burned alive sears images into our heads that we push away. Children being crucified is horrifying. It's too painful and too ugly to think about. We are shocked and angry and sad. But we lose interest quickly and go back to our daily lives.

It will be here next. That is not a doomsday prediction. Unless we take steps to rid the world of this cancer, it will spread. I am as liberal as they come. I hate war. I have two sons who have already done two tours each in that god-forsaken part of the country. The last thing I want to see is more troops deployed. It's time to take it up a notch. Bomb the fuck out of every single place ISIS is know to train. Sorry about the civilian causalities. Their lives were pretty damn shitty to begin with. Sometimes death is better. And if a nuclear option becomes necessary, at least it ends the war. It worked last time.

Very well said. Thank you.

This pretty much sums up my feelings as well. And, I have a son who would be one of the soldiers deployed. Do I want him to go there? Hell, no. But, these monsters have to be taken out. Diplomacy will not do the trick. All they know is violence and brutality. Give them some of their own medicine and bomb the hell out of them. Hopefully, civilian casualties will be kept to a minimum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is this - Americans are asleep. We are fools if we think this isn't coming here. It is. Radical Islam is a cancer. Cancer spreads until it is cut out and completely annihilated. Egyptian Christians being beheaded in mass makes us sad. It makes us gasp. It hurts our hearts. Hearing that a pilot was placed in a cage and burned alive sears images into our heads that we push away. Children being crucified is horrifying. It's too painful and too ugly to think about. We are shocked and angry and sad. But we lose interest quickly and go back to our daily lives.

It will be here next. That is not a doomsday prediction. Unless we take steps to rid the world of this cancer, it will spread. I am as liberal as they come. I hate war. I have two sons who have already done two tours each in that god-forsaken part of the country. The last thing I want to see is more troops deployed. It's time to take it up a notch. Bomb the fuck out of every single place ISIS is know to train. Sorry about the civilian causalities. Their lives were pretty damn shitty to begin with. Sometimes death is better. And if a nuclear option becomes necessary, at least it ends the war. It worked last time.

Very well said. Thank you.

So, are you two political geniuses interested in bombing France and Denmark? Because the terrorists in those countries were born there. And it's nice that you've decided that civilian lives in these places are no biggie. At least you're admitting it. You can bomb and bomb and bomb and you'll just be creating more terrorists as you go along. This isn't a problem that can be solved with bombs.

Yes. Yes it is. Bombing every single known ISIS training facility is effective. Bombing every single town that hides ISIS members is effective. Eventually, people will get sick of getting the shit blown out of their towns. They'll stop allowing ISIS into their communities if they know we'll destroy the community the next day. The civilians in those towns are better off with a quick death over the slow torture many endure. ISIS will run out of places to hide if you treat them like the cockroaches they are.

Here in the U.S. anyone with even the most remote tie to radical Islaam goes to jail. Any cleric in the U.S. who knows of radicalized individuals and does not report them goes to jail. Stop the polically correct pussyfooting around and call this what it is. An Islamic threat.

Our President doesn't have the balls to do it. Hoping whomever is elected, Democrat or Republican, shows the leadership we need to end this.

And again, a nuclear bomb ended things quite quickly last time. When you have cancer, you destroy it. You don't try to save it. You don't slowly chip away at it. You don't reason with it. You cut it out of your body and you take aggressive steps to assure it never returns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is this - Americans are asleep. We are fools if we think this isn't coming here. It is. Radical Islam is a cancer. Cancer spreads until it is cut out and completely annihilated. Egyptian Christians being beheaded in mass makes us sad. It makes us gasp. It hurts our hearts. Hearing that a pilot was placed in a cage and burned alive sears images into our heads that we push away. Children being crucified is horrifying. It's too painful and too ugly to think about. We are shocked and angry and sad. But we lose interest quickly and go back to our daily lives.

It will be here next. That is not a doomsday prediction. Unless we take steps to rid the world of this cancer, it will spread. I am as liberal as they come. I hate war. I have two sons who have already done two tours each in that god-forsaken part of the country. The last thing I want to see is more troops deployed. It's time to take it up a notch. Bomb the fuck out of every single place ISIS is know to train. Sorry about the civilian causalities. Their lives were pretty damn shitty to begin with. Sometimes death is better. And if a nuclear option becomes necessary, at least it ends the war. It worked last time.

Very well said. Thank you.

I'm with you!!

[Anonymous]

I am convinced that our president doesn’t have a clue about what to do. He is impotent to deal with these monsters. I am so sick of him and his administration making excuses about what is really going on, and how ISIS is on the “defense” and that all we need to do is to give these monsters jobs. What the F?
He is not a leader. I am just so tired of this administration. Nov. 2016 cannot come soon enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is this - Americans are asleep. We are fools if we think this isn't coming here. It is. Radical Islam is a cancer. Cancer spreads until it is cut out and completely annihilated. Egyptian Christians being beheaded in mass makes us sad. It makes us gasp. It hurts our hearts. Hearing that a pilot was placed in a cage and burned alive sears images into our heads that we push away. Children being crucified is horrifying. It's too painful and too ugly to think about. We are shocked and angry and sad. But we lose interest quickly and go back to our daily lives.

It will be here next. That is not a doomsday prediction. Unless we take steps to rid the world of this cancer, it will spread. I am as liberal as they come. I hate war. I have two sons who have already done two tours each in that god-forsaken part of the country. The last thing I want to see is more troops deployed. It's time to take it up a notch. Bomb the fuck out of every single place ISIS is know to train. Sorry about the civilian causalities. Their lives were pretty damn shitty to begin with. Sometimes death is better. And if a nuclear option becomes necessary, at least it ends the war. It worked last time.

Very well said. Thank you.

So, are you two political geniuses interested in bombing France and Denmark? Because the terrorists in those countries were born there. And it's nice that you've decided that civilian lives in these places are no biggie. At least you're admitting it. You can bomb and bomb and bomb and you'll just be creating more terrorists as you go along. This isn't a problem that can be solved with bombs.

So the 15 years we have already spent fighting terrorist groups in the Middle East have resulted in what, more of a mess. We are talking about another 20 years minimum.

When the US attacks Syria I'm sure Syria with attack Israel.

China could start dumping the US debt it's holding sending us into a depression if Syria is attacked, given their close relationship.

Syrian rebels (already using chemical weapons attacks) have pledged loyalty to al-Qaeda so who would we support Assad. Russia is one of Syria's biggest arms suppliers and will block US efforts to reshape the area.

Iran is fighting ISIS on the ground now. Iran will not want a Sunni-dominated Syria. Its in Iran's interest to see al-Assad's regime remain intact.

If you go and bomb the area to dust, what group will rise from the ashes, history shows us one will.

Im sure in your wisdom you've thought of all this, because this would start WW III.

[Anonymous]

So what? WWIII will bring us closer to the rapture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what? WWIII will bring us closer to the rapture.

and that is really want they want, an apocalypse, they win we loose, again