Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins is almost all rich (70% make over $120K) and all asian/middle eastern Americans and international. I think it may be 35% white.

It is a typical international type of undegraduate school. Not a lot of partying, not a lot of sports, not a lot of socializing. The main and only goal is study and get into graduate school. That is not a bad thing, but it isn't the experience many Americans want. For my child, she was in a top rigorous private school and wanted nothing to do with the same atmosphere in college. She wants some socializing, school spirit, and lots of friends and memories. She still chose a top school, but wanted a more social feel. For kids that don't want the American fluff, chose JHU. It is no nonsense.

Also, JHU is less than 10% in-state. People around here know it is in a terrible neighborhood. Unless they truly want to be a doctor, all the other ivy's seem more appealing to kids around here.

New poster here.
I went to public health graduate school at Hopkins and met my husband who was in medical school. I lived in Charles Village and did most of my studying on the main campus (Homewood). I agree with this poster and the one before who's dad was a professor.
While we had a great time in the greater Hopkins/Baltimore community in our 20's, I would never want my kids to go there for undergrad. It's difficult to explain but it just always felt like a pretty soulless and competitive place. Think of your typical pre-med
undergraduate organic chemistry course and then extrapolate it to almost an entire university. I came from a small liberal arts college and my husband from a large state school and both of our undergraduate colleges had about 100 times the joy and life of Hopkins undergrad.
it's just dull. And seemingly very competitive. Something like 99% of the kids are pre-med (I exaggerate but it's pretty darn high). That does not make for a fun environment.

Doe JHU have an inordinately high success rate placing those pre-med undergrads in medical school? I mean wouldnt your odds be much better to go to, a state flagship or a 20-40 ranked SLAC and be THE kid with the great GPA? I mean there must be JHU kids who are middle to low of the pack at JHU who never get into medical school but would otherwise shine at a diff school.

Their pre-med office webpage states that 80% of their graduates who apply to medical school are accepted.

Somewhere else I read said that up to 40% of their graduates will apply to medical school. So not 99% but pretty darn high for any university.

Ok 32% (80%*40%) meets "inordinately high" but I still think there probably plenty of wash-out along the way. Ppl who go in intending to apply going in who dont survive the competition. I went to Penn (history major) where this was also typical. I had friends said at the end of school they should have gone somewhere else where they would have been a pre-med star but at least they had fun along the way and went on to successful law or consulting careers

Plus you have all the biomedical engineering kids and other science majors trying to get into competitive PhD programs. And the straight up engineers.
It's a very brainy. main and science oriented type of place. Lots of studying going on at all times. The main library is packed on the weekend evenings.

We walked through campus on the most gorgeous imaginable Saturday afternoon in October...and yet still seemingly every student was in the library. It was at that point my child realized it was not the school for him.

lol. I'm the person who wrote that the library is packed on Saturday nights. It truely is. There are about 4 levels underground and the deeper you go, the busier it gets. It's open until 3am daily.
My friend who went there (and on to an elite medical school) said that most of his undergraduate memories are from one of the two libraries. He used to sleep in the one.
It's an interesting culture.

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Anonymous wrote:The neighborhood around the medical school is bad. The neighborhood around the undergraduate campus (Charles Village) is not bad at all.

^^^that is a very nice part of Baltimore to the north or the west of the school. Just don't go 10 blocks south or cross york road/greenmount ave and you will be perfectly fine.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's a 'near home but not cheap or easy to get into' bias against Hopkins. Kids who would be academically strong enough to get in have so many options elsewhere.

I can see this, but the same doesn't seem to hold for Georgetown.

Chicks are way hotter at Georgetown.

That’s why.

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Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is a national treasure not a local school. It is the premier medical school in the entire country. Not for spoiled kids who need coddling(aka wussies).
The only institutions in the country that are irreplaceable are
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Hopkins
USNA
Stanford.

2 of the schools are in maryland. These schools fulfill a national purposes and needs.

I think OP is talking about JHU undergrad, not JHU medical school.

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Anonymous wrote:That description of the Hopkins "context" sounds like it was written by a real estate agent. Seriously, look at their drug addiction and HIV rates. There were streets there that you had to traverse, if attending a night party, for example that were very dangerous. I would pray to get a green light because men would be congregating at the lights around my car if the light was red. Try googling news in Baltimore. It is not a place I would want my child to spend 4 years (which I did).

"According to the Drug Enforcement Administration, Baltimore is home to the highest number of heroin addicts and heroin-related incidents of crime in the country. In 2013, there were more than 300 deaths related to heroin overdoses in Baltimore. Both The Fix and ABC News call the city “the heroin capital” of the United States."

Sure. Maybe that's the med school complex in East Baltimore.

But definitely not the Homewood campus.

It's quite clear you know nothing about Baltimore or Hopkins. At all. I doubt you've even been there..... where are these "dangerous" streets you had to traverse after attending a night party?

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Lol, let’s get real. There have been four armed robberies two blocks from Homewood campus around E 33rd st in the past month in the middle of the afternoon. This is the heart of undergrad living and a very nice area, but it is not immune to the crime nor actually encased in a bubble. The crime won’t stop my kid from going in the fall, but you can bet it’ll make her think twice about being aware of her surroundings.

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Homewood is part of Baltimore. The whole city is not that big.

College students don't stay in the leafy suburbs, they drive to parties and bars late at night.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/baltimore/370675-poll-most-dangerous-strip-baltimore.html

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Because Baltimore is a violent dump with no other peer colleges. DC, NYC, Boston, Philly even Chicago offer far more fun, access to thousands of other college kids, and more dynamic economies.

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I think that one starry-eyed poster is either trying to protect the market value of their house, or convince themselves that they are not paying hundreds of thousands of dollars so their kid can live in the Heroin Capital of America.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that one starry-eyed poster is either trying to protect the market value of their house, or convince themselves that they are not paying hundreds of thousands of dollars so their kid can live in the Heroin Capital of America.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, the third mayor in a row is about to leave under scandal? City is hopeless.

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We’ve been looking at the houses around Homewood and most of the rehabbed ones go under contract within two weeks. I don’t think home values are the problem. Remington is the next big spot to jump in sales but it’s not ideal for us. I say this even though the area is swamped with some horrible houses and tons of foreclosures: jhu is enough of an anchor that the real estate market is a safe bet or a deal ready to happen. It’s definitely a quirky place.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Baltimore is a violent dump with no other peer colleges. DC, NYC, Boston, Philly even Chicago offer far more fun, access to thousands of other college kids, and more dynamic economies.

Sadly, this.

Isn't BLM awesome.

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Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is a national treasure not a local school. It is the premier medical school in the entire country. Not for spoiled kids who need coddling(aka wussies).
The only institutions in the country that are irreplaceable are
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Hopkins
USNA
Stanford.

2 of the schools are in maryland. These schools fulfill a national purposes and needs.

Are you deranged?? This pathetic and not true at all.... would you be from Maryland??? If you really think this is true did you actually attend college?? Maybe USNA (BY the way I had no idea what that was and have never thought of as good bad or at all)?? Maybe Hopkins? Both not really ranked that highly.

graduate of two schools on that list in top 5 of any US survey and find your statement that only seven colleges matter insane

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I used to live in Baltimore, on Charles St. 3 blocks up the street from the inner harbor. Absolutely loved it. Fells Point, Federal Hill, the harbor, etc...

But for college students - JHU and Loyola. It is the crappy party of the city. No thanks.

But the kids that go there don't socialize at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to live in Baltimore, on Charles St. 3 blocks up the street from the inner harbor. Absolutely loved it. Fells Point, Federal Hill, the harbor, etc...

But for college students - JHU and Loyola. It is the crappy party of the city. No thanks.

But the kids that go there don't socialize at all.

The area between JHU and Loyola is a beautiful neighborhood of stately homes. Did you not ever drive up Charles? It's hardly a crappy part of the city.....