Temporarily furloughing nanny? Strategies?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am sorry but I am going to stick up for OP here. He is trying to help the nanny out until the temporary situation resolves itself. What do you expect people to do? Companies cut people all the time without warning.

I agree. OP, I think a lot of the replies you're getting are from the entitled nannies who seem to frequent this site. OP, I would cut her pay to what you can afford and give her time off or ask her to work part time. If you ask her to work part time for that money, pay her at a higher hourly rate than you were previously for that time to show that you appreciate her. Tell her you understand if she needs to find another job but of course would love for her to resume working full time once you're also working full time.

I am not a nanny. I am a mother who employs a nanny. I would do anything possible to make sure our nanny stayed with our family. Continuity of care and the relationship with my children matter much more than money (assuming we are not going to be homeless). I can think of 100 other things I would cut before I would cut the nanny.

Ok, that's a nice sentiment. But nanny is a MAJOR expense in our household. I don't think there's really anything we could cut that would allow us to continue paying our nanny responsibly if we were looking at long-term unemployment. IE, I am not going to get a home equity loan or break into my 401k to pay the nanny while I'm unemployed. That would be completely crazy. And at a certain point, it would be better to help the nanny start looking for a more stable situation than asking her to stay on. The nanny would probably prefer severance pay and time off to look for a new job than just riding out the last dollars until we absolutely can't afford her.

We are talking about a furlough that could be a week or two, possibly slightly longer. This isn't about long term unemployment. If you have one parent who is unemployed than that person can provide childcare and if/when down the road they regain employment you can find new childcare.

Well yes, obviously if I knew it was most likely just going to be a temp furlough of a few weeks or even a month or two, I would figure out a way to make it work. But for a less definite period it would be tougher and I would probably try to make longer term plans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry but I am going to stick up for OP here. He is trying to help the nanny out until the temporary situation resolves itself. What do you expect people to do? Companies cut people all the time without warning.

I agree. OP, I think a lot of the replies you're getting are from the entitled nannies who seem to frequent this site. OP, I would cut her pay to what you can afford and give her time off or ask her to work part time. If you ask her to work part time for that money, pay her at a higher hourly rate than you were previously for that time to show that you appreciate her. Tell her you understand if she needs to find another job but of course would love for her to resume working full time once you're also working full time.

The REAL question here is:
Is your child "entitled" to any
"continuity of care"?

Or is that irrelevant?

Research documents over and over, how "continuity of care" is essential during the earliest years of a child's development.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry but I am going to stick up for OP here. He is trying to help the nanny out until the temporary situation resolves itself. What do you expect people to do? Companies cut people all the time without warning.

How is OP helping the nanny? The OP wants the nanny to stop working for her and then remain available to return to work when it is convenient for her.

Just like the government and all the private sector companies who have done this as well.

Are you people really this stupid that you think nannies should be exempt? They're a dime a dozen.

Is your child's care not worth more than your "dime a dozen" poor quality broken-English baby sitter? In just another year or two, you'll be paying through your nose for various therapies and tutoring, in a desparate attempt to repair the consequences of your bargain "dime a dozen", so called nannies.

"Penny wise and pound foolish"

That's racist. We have a friend who only hired college graduate Caucasian nannies to teach their kids. The ended up getting nickel and dimmed being held hostage by their contract, no cleaning, no errands, no laundry without extra pay. The kids are grown up and both are learning disabled and behind.

On the other hand we have a friend who had a Filipino nanny who didn't go to college, her English wasn't perfect, but she read and loved the kids like her own, not just some businesses Contract. She cooked , cleaned did above and beyond without being asked or asking for more money and their kids are in aap.

Point being, a nanny really didn't have that much influence except for basic reading, feeding and caring.

Please don't tell me you're "college-educated".

2 engineering masters

[Anonymous]

The nanny hype is ridiculous. I don't need a college graduate to change diapers, feed, drive and, read children's books.

They are fine and are going to aap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry but I am going to stick up for OP here. He is trying to help the nanny out until the temporary situation resolves itself. What do you expect people to do? Companies cut people all the time without warning.

How is OP helping the nanny? The OP wants the nanny to stop working for her and then remain available to return to work when it is convenient for her.

Just like the government and all the private sector companies who have done this as well.

Are you people really this stupid that you think nannies should be exempt? They're a dime a dozen.

Is your child's care not worth more than your "dime a dozen" poor quality broken-English baby sitter? In just another year or two, you'll be paying through your nose for various therapies and tutoring, in a desparate attempt to repair the consequences of your bargain "dime a dozen", so called nannies.

"Penny wise and pound foolish"

That's racist. We have a friend who only hired college graduate Caucasian nannies to teach their kids. The ended up getting nickel and dimmed being held hostage by their contract, no cleaning, no errands, no laundry without extra pay. The kids are grown up and both are learning disabled and behind.

On the other hand we have a friend who had a Filipino nanny who didn't go to college, her English wasn't perfect, but she read and loved the kids like her own, not just some businesses Contract. She cooked , cleaned did above and beyond without being asked or asking for more money and their kids are in aap.

Point being, a nanny really didn't have that much influence except for basic reading, feeding and caring.

Please don't tell me you're "college-educated".

2 engineering masters

Perfect. To you who is the "dime a dozen" nanny employer, why are you screaming "racist"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry but I am going to stick up for OP here. He is trying to help the nanny out until the temporary situation resolves itself. What do you expect people to do? Companies cut people all the time without warning.

I agree. OP, I think a lot of the replies you're getting are from the entitled nannies who seem to frequent this site. OP, I would cut her pay to what you can afford and give her time off or ask her to work part time. If you ask her to work part time for that money, pay her at a higher hourly rate than you were previously for that time to show that you appreciate her. Tell her you understand if she needs to find another job but of course would love for her to resume working full time once you're also working full time.

The REAL question here is:
Is your child "entitled" to any
"continuity of care"?

Or is that irrelevant?

Research documents over and over, how "continuity of care" is essential during the earliest years of a child's development.

I am fairly certain that there is no research demonstrating harm caused by having to let your nanny go during a period of unemployment. The literature on continuity of care probably focuses on much more unstable patterns. It's ludicrous to think that switching from one high-quality carer to another once or twice in early childhood causes irreparable harm. And anyway, its impossible to plan your life to avoid all risk. I mean, I could die and my child would have to have another caregiver ... so I guess that the fact I am mortal means I never should have had children? Obviously I don't plan to disrupt my child's caregiving arrangements unless absolutely necessary, such as a financial crisis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The nanny hype is ridiculous. I don't need a college graduate to change diapers, feed, drive and, read children's books.

They are fine and are going to aap.

Going to aap says absolutely nothing about whether or not they have been well raised and if their growth / development has been given a solid foundation. You don't need a college graduate to change diapers, feed, drive or read children's books but the fact that you think that is what nurturing and raising a child during their first 5 years is about doesn't bode well for your children.

[Anonymous]

Yes but if you are in a financial crisis already over this, that is a red flag that the way you are living is putting your kid at risk along with everyone else in your household. You cant compare being mortal with living outside your means, not having proper savings, and just hoping you dont have problem with employment. Sorry, no dice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry but I am going to stick up for OP here. He is trying to help the nanny out until the temporary situation resolves itself. What do you expect people to do? Companies cut people all the time without warning.

I agree. OP, I think a lot of the replies you're getting are from the entitled nannies who seem to frequent this site. OP, I would cut her pay to what you can afford and give her time off or ask her to work part time. If you ask her to work part time for that money, pay her at a higher hourly rate than you were previously for that time to show that you appreciate her. Tell her you understand if she needs to find another job but of course would love for her to resume working full time once you're also working full time.

The REAL question here is:
Is your child "entitled" to any
"continuity of care"?

Or is that irrelevant?

Research documents over and over, how "continuity of care" is essential during the earliest years of a child's development.

I am fairly certain that there is no research demonstrating harm caused by having to let your nanny go during a period of unemployment. The literature on continuity of care probably focuses on much more unstable patterns. It's ludicrous to think that switching from one high-quality carer to another once or twice in early childhood causes irreparable harm. And anyway, its impossible to plan your life to avoid all risk. I mean, I could die and my child would have to have another caregiver ... so I guess that the fact I am mortal means I never should have had children? Obviously I don't plan to disrupt my child's caregiving arrangements unless absolutely necessary, such as a financial crisis.

Switching caregivers once or twice during your child's first three years, is usually not a big problem. However, most parents would love to be so fortunate. The majority of children receiving outsourced FT care, have many more "primary caregivers" than that. The dreaded high-turnover of caregivers/teachers is rampant not only in daycare centers, but in the world of nannies, as well. The lower their wages, the higher their turnover. Basic economics.

[Anonymous]

So let's say you lay off the nanny with the hopes to re employ after furlough is over, but nanny has found other employment , OP you stated you would just put your kids in daycare. Do you know of a local good daycare without a wait list????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry but I am going to stick up for OP here. He is trying to help the nanny out until the temporary situation resolves itself. What do you expect people to do? Companies cut people all the time without warning.

I agree. OP, I think a lot of the replies you're getting are from the entitled nannies who seem to frequent this site. OP, I would cut her pay to what you can afford and give her time off or ask her to work part time. If you ask her to work part time for that money, pay her at a higher hourly rate than you were previously for that time to show that you appreciate her. Tell her you understand if she needs to find another job but of course would love for her to resume working full time once you're also working full time.

The REAL question here is:
Is your child "entitled" to any
"continuity of care"?

Or is that irrelevant?

Research documents over and over, how "continuity of care" is essential during the earliest years of a child's development.

I am fairly certain that there is no research demonstrating harm caused by having to let your nanny go during a period of unemployment. The literature on continuity of care probably focuses on much more unstable patterns. It's ludicrous to think that switching from one high-quality carer to another once or twice in early childhood causes irreparable harm. And anyway, its impossible to plan your life to avoid all risk. I mean, I could die and my child would have to have another caregiver ... so I guess that the fact I am mortal means I never should have had children? Obviously I don't plan to disrupt my child's caregiving arrangements unless absolutely necessary, such as a financial crisis.

OP is not unemployed. OP is impacted by a *temporary* furlough for which he/ she did not adequately plan. Big difference.

[Anonymous]

Exactly, 15:36. Plus, if you fire the nanny, you certainly DO have a job. It's called "parenting".

[Anonymous]

Does OP not have a contract with the nanny? Furlouging a nanny is a breach of contract and in essence she is laid off. So she can claim unemployment, which will raise the OP's nanny taxes
OP is not government and nanny is working for family, not government.
The nanny is most likely looking for new employment by now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does OP not have a contract with the nanny? Furlouging a nanny is a breach of contract and in essence she is laid off. So she can claim unemployment, which will raise the OP's nanny taxes
OP is not government and nanny is working for family, not government.
The nanny is most likely looking for new employment by now.

I thought the nanny is supposed to be an "at will" employee, meaning she can be fired on a dime (or quit without notice), regardless of what might be in the contract. Is that true?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does OP not have a contract with the nanny? Furlouging a nanny is a breach of contract and in essence she is laid off. So she can claim unemployment, which will raise the OP's nanny taxes
OP is not government and nanny is working for family, not government.
The nanny is most likely looking for new employment by now.

If the parents die do they still pay you