current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't think that the argument about keeping the community of students together through high school will be persuasive with MCPS, since kids in other immersion programs only stay together through middle school. There are even middle schools in the county where students articulate to different high schools.

Saying the same lie over and over is not going to work. Chinese immersion students go to Churchill, RCF go to BCC and SSIM can do choice. That means that now all immersion students are treated as if the were in boundary. So stop repeating the same LIE!

You forgot the French immersion students. Please see the beginning if the thread regarding which cluster they all get to matriculate into together... oh wait, there isn't one.

Wrong... I didn't forget them... All SSIM can do choice and those at GMS can go to GHS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't think that the argument about keeping the community of students together through high school will be persuasive with MCPS, since kids in other immersion programs only stay together through middle school. There are even middle schools in the county where students articulate to different high schools.

Saying the same lie over and over is not going to work. Chinese immersion students go to Churchill, RCF go to BCC and SSIM can do choice. That means that now all immersion students are treated as if the were in boundary. So stop repeating the same LIE!

You forgot the French immersion students. Please see the beginning if the thread regarding which cluster they all get to matriculate into together... oh wait, there isn't one.

Wrong... I didn't forget them... All SSIM can do choice and those at GMS can go to GHS.

Right. So as PP said, they do not matriculate together anywhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP - If you can eliminate 25 kids/grade - that's 100 kids which is about 2/3 of the current overcrowding. Does it solve the whole problem? No. But that's a sizable percentage. Should we look at ALL COSAs? Yes. But that doesn't mean you do nothing at all while you work through the other COSAs.

And couldn't this be seen as an opportunity to increase the number of Spanish 7 classes around the entire system? Why should BCC be one of the few when there are surely home school communities that would appreciate the option.

Because, when you take 25 immersion kid and split them up around 20 high schools, that means that there are only a few kids prepared for Spanish 7 at each school -- not enough to offer a successful class. You can't have an effective Spanish class that is teaching to three different levels of Spanish in the same classroom. This would mean that each group is getting about 15 minutes of instruction and spending the rest of the time teaching themselves. Not really an effective strategy in a foreign language.

Not true. My French immersion high schooler is thriving at Blair in his French classes. He spends zero time teaching himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP - If you can eliminate 25 kids/grade - that's 100 kids which is about 2/3 of the current overcrowding. Does it solve the whole problem? No. But that's a sizable percentage. Should we look at ALL COSAs? Yes. But that doesn't mean you do nothing at all while you work through the other COSAs.

And couldn't this be seen as an opportunity to increase the number of Spanish 7 classes around the entire system? Why should BCC be one of the few when there are surely home school communities that would appreciate the option.

Because, when you take 25 immersion kid and split them up around 20 high schools, that means that there are only a few kids prepared for Spanish 7 at each school -- not enough to offer a successful class. You can't have an effective Spanish class that is teaching to three different levels of Spanish in the same classroom. This would mean that each group is getting about 15 minutes of instruction and spending the rest of the time teaching themselves. Not really an effective strategy in a foreign language.

Maybe a solution would be to spread around the schools that offer advanced classes. For example, ensure that at least one DCC school offers it so that kids in the DCC have an option to choose a school that has Spanish 7. Seems if the BOE goes through with this, they should find a way to ensure students who want to continue advanced classes can.

Question for the immersion parents- if continuing to BCC wasn't an option, would you still enroll your kids in the immersion program knowing they'd have to go back to their home high school?

All French immersion parents choose immersion knowing this. All of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP - If you can eliminate 25 kids/grade - that's 100 kids which is about 2/3 of the current overcrowding. Does it solve the whole problem? No. But that's a sizable percentage. Should we look at ALL COSAs? Yes. But that doesn't mean you do nothing at all while you work through the other COSAs.

And couldn't this be seen as an opportunity to increase the number of Spanish 7 classes around the entire system? Why should BCC be one of the few when there are surely home school communities that would appreciate the option.

Because, when you take 25 immersion kid and split them up around 20 high schools, that means that there are only a few kids prepared for Spanish 7 at each school -- not enough to offer a successful class. You can't have an effective Spanish class that is teaching to three different levels of Spanish in the same classroom. This would mean that each group is getting about 15 minutes of instruction and spending the rest of the time teaching themselves. Not really an effective strategy in a foreign language.

Maybe a solution would be to spread around the schools that offer advanced classes. For example, ensure that at least one DCC school offers it so that kids in the DCC have an option to choose a school that has Spanish 7. Seems if the BOE goes through with this, they should find a way to ensure students who want to continue advanced classes can.

Question for the immersion parents- if continuing to BCC wasn't an option, would you still enroll your kids in the immersion program knowing they'd have to go back to their home high school?

I thought Einstein was part of the DCC? Einstein has Spanish 7.

[Anonymous]

My understanding about this issue is that principals of all high schools in the county have asked for the COSA process to be reigned in. It's not just BCC and it's not just Spanish immersion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't think that the argument about keeping the community of students together through high school will be persuasive with MCPS, since kids in other immersion programs only stay together through middle school. There are even middle schools in the county where students articulate to different high schools.

Saying the same lie over and over is not going to work. Chinese immersion students go to Churchill, RCF go to BCC and SSIM can do choice. That means that now all immersion students are treated as if the were in boundary. So stop repeating the same LIE!

You forgot the French immersion students. Please see the beginning if the thread regarding which cluster they all get to matriculate into together... oh wait, there isn't one.

Wrong... I didn't forget them... All SSIM can do choice and those at GMS can go to GHS.

Right. So as PP said, they do not matriculate together anywhere.

Irrelevant is simply a function of the choice process... If their was no choice the certainly would matriculate together. The point is in each community kids are treated more or less as in boundary. There's no debate here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP - If you can eliminate 25 kids/grade - that's 100 kids which is about 2/3 of the current overcrowding. Does it solve the whole problem? No. But that's a sizable percentage. Should we look at ALL COSAs? Yes. But that doesn't mean you do nothing at all while you work through the other COSAs.

And couldn't this be seen as an opportunity to increase the number of Spanish 7 classes around the entire system? Why should BCC be one of the few when there are surely home school communities that would appreciate the option.

Because, when you take 25 immersion kid and split them up around 20 high schools, that means that there are only a few kids prepared for Spanish 7 at each school -- not enough to offer a successful class. You can't have an effective Spanish class that is teaching to three different levels of Spanish in the same classroom. This would mean that each group is getting about 15 minutes of instruction and spending the rest of the time teaching themselves. Not really an effective strategy in a foreign language.

Not true. My French immersion high schooler is thriving at Blair in his French classes. He spends zero time teaching himself.

Not PP but most Rt kids go to Blair so that's not what pp meant. It's is the kid goes some place else like Clarksburg or Rockville

[Anonymous]

Spanish 7 is an IB course. Span AP Language is offered as level 6 in most if not all schools; AP Lit is level 7. So pretty universal availability of Spanish through level 7. Schools offering IB Spanish 7A/B in 2012-2013:
Albert Einstein HS
Bethesda-Chevy Chase HS
Richard Montgomery HS
Rockville HS
Seneca Valley HS
Springbrook HS
Watkins Mill HS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Spanish 7 is an IB course. Span AP Language is offered as level 6 in most if not all schools; AP Lit is level 7. So pretty universal availability of Spanish through level 7. Schools offering IB Spanish 7A/B in 2012-2013:
Albert Einstein HS
Bethesda-Chevy Chase HS
Richard Montgomery HS
Rockville HS
Seneca Valley HS
Springbrook HS
Watkins Mill HS

I don't quite get this. If it's only offered in these seven high schools, it's not "pretty universally available."

[Anonymous]

Spanish 7 is IB at schools with IB programs.

It is AP Lit at schools that don't offer IB.

AP is offered everwhere IB is not. That makes it universal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My understanding about this issue is that principals of all high schools in the county have asked for the COSA process to be reigned in. It's not just BCC and it's not just Spanish immersion.

True but from the hysteria of the RCF immersion parents, you would think it was just aimed at them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My understanding about this issue is that principals of all high schools in the county have asked for the COSA process to be reigned in. It's not just BCC and it's not just Spanish immersion.

True but from the hysteria of the RCF immersion parents, you would think it was just aimed at them.

The remark about "principals of all high schools" is not correct. They may support it but it was initiated by one board member at the request of the PTA cluster reps from BCC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP - If you can eliminate 25 kids/grade - that's 100 kids which is about 2/3 of the current overcrowding. Does it solve the whole problem? No. But that's a sizable percentage. Should we look at ALL COSAs? Yes. But that doesn't mean you do nothing at all while you work through the other COSAs.

And couldn't this be seen as an opportunity to increase the number of Spanish 7 classes around the entire system? Why should BCC be one of the few when there are surely home school communities that would appreciate the option.

Because, when you take 25 immersion kid and split them up around 20 high schools, that means that there are only a few kids prepared for Spanish 7 at each school -- not enough to offer a successful class. You can't have an effective Spanish class that is teaching to three different levels of Spanish in the same classroom. This would mean that each group is getting about 15 minutes of instruction and spending the rest of the time teaching themselves. Not really an effective strategy in a foreign language.

Not true. My French immersion high schooler is thriving at Blair in his French classes. He spends zero time teaching himself.

Not PP but most Rt kids go to Blair so that's not what pp meant. It's is the kid goes some place else like Clarksburg or Rockville

Er I meant most SSIMS go to Blair ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't think that the argument about keeping the community of students together through high school will be persuasive with MCPS, since kids in other immersion programs only stay together through middle school. There are even middle schools in the county where students articulate to different high schools.

Saying the same lie over and over is not going to work. Chinese immersion students go to Churchill, RCF go to BCC and SSIM can do choice. That means that now all immersion students are treated as if the were in boundary. So stop repeating the same LIE!

You forgot the French immersion students. Please see the beginning if the thread regarding which cluster they all get to matriculate into together... oh wait, there isn't one.

Wrong... I didn't forget them... All SSIM can do choice and those at GMS can go to GHS.

Right. So as PP said, they do not matriculate together anywhere.

Irrelevant is simply a function of the choice process... If their was no choice the certainly would matriculate together. The point is in each community kids are treated more or less as in boundary. There's no debate here.

They do not, in fact, matriculate together because that is what the County decided for French immersion. They could - as the Westland kids do - but they do not. That is a fact.