"You know that's impossible right?" Explaining to kids the comments of creationists.

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Anonymous wrote:Another poster from page 1. Creationism aside, God aside, science vs. faith aside (and not totally sure why the two have to be mutually exclusive), whatever you believe, why do you feel the need to foist those beliefs on your children? Why are you afraid of them making up their own minds when they are able to?

Anybody going to at least try and answer this one?

So by this reasoning, surely you must be teaching your children the creation myths (er, sorry... facts) of ancient Sumeria, and the Greeks and Romans, Indians, etc. alongside Christian creationism, and the scientific
theory of evolution, and then letting them make up their own minds, right? Because wouldn't you be some kind of hypocrite if you are trying to foist your beliefs on your children by only teaching them about Christian creationism and evolution and letting them make up their own mind based on incomplete information?

Oh! The evangelical athiest is back. Welcome!

Nice try, but I'm actually a practicing reform Jew. Never posted on DCUM as an athiest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another poster from page 1. Creationism aside, God aside, science vs. faith aside (and not totally sure why the two have to be mutually exclusive), whatever you believe, why do you feel the need to foist those beliefs on your children? Why are you afraid of them making up their own minds when they are able to?

Anybody going to at least try and answer this one?

So by this reasoning, surely you must be teaching your children the creation myths (er, sorry... facts) of ancient Sumeria, and the Greeks and Romans, Indians, etc. alongside Christian creationism, and the scientific theory of evolution, and then letting them make up their own minds, right? Because wouldn't you be some kind of hypocrite if you are trying to foist your beliefs on your children by only teaching them about Christian creationism and evolution and letting them make up their own mind based on incomplete information?

Love how it's always about "Christian hypocrisy" and never about the other Abrahamic faiths which share the same creation stories. Says a lot about this poster.

This thread is about Christian creationism. I would be happy to participate in a thread about Muslim (Jewish, Hindu, etc.)hypocrisy, if you would care to start one. As I mentioned, I'm a reform Jew. We learned the creation myths, and we learned not to take them literally. Science and knowledge are very important in my religion. One can believe in both God and science; it's not impossible to reconcile.

It's interesting that the earlier PP asked for someone to answer the above question, but apparently a lot of you couldn't handle my answer and so went straight to the whining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another poster from page 1. Creationism aside, God aside, science vs. faith aside (and not totally sure why the two have to be mutually exclusive), whatever you believe, why do you feel the need to foist those beliefs on your children? Why are you afraid of them making up their own minds when they are able to?

Anybody going to at least try and answer this one?

So by this reasoning, surely you must be teaching your children the creation myths (er, sorry... facts) of ancient Sumeria, and the Greeks and Romans, Indians, etc. alongside Christian creationism, and the scientific theory of evolution, and then letting them make up their own minds, right? Because wouldn't you be some kind of hypocrite if you are trying to foist your beliefs on your children by only teaching them about Christian creationism and evolution and letting them make up their own mind based on incomplete information?

Love how it's always about "Christian hypocrisy" and never about the other Abrahamic faiths which share the same creation stories. Says a lot about this poster.

Last time I checked, the other faiths didn't run around spouting nonsense about creationism the way some Christians do. Now, granted, some extreme Muslims took over entire countries and imposed a horrible way of life on the people there... But, we're fighting a war over that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another poster from page 1. Creationism aside, God aside, science vs. faith aside (and not totally sure why the two have to be mutually exclusive), whatever you believe, why do you feel the need to foist those beliefs on your children? Why are you afraid of them making up their own minds when they are able to?

Anybody going to at least try and answer this one?

So by this reasoning, surely you must be teaching your children the creation myths (er, sorry... facts) of ancient Sumeria, and the Greeks and Romans, Indians, etc. alongside Christian creationism, and the scientific theory of evolution, and then letting them make up their own minds, right? Because wouldn't you be some kind of hypocrite if you are trying to foist your beliefs on your children by only teaching them about Christian creationism and evolution and letting them make up their own mind based on incomplete information?

Why do atheists always seem so angry, like this one?

And what's with the inability to separate (a) creationism from (b) religion? You do know that not all Christians - and let's not forget the other types of belief - are creationist. Right? You know this, right?

I didn't detect a hint of anger in the response.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people realize not all Christians believe in literally seven days creation, right? That some believe the seven days means seven periods of time, not 24 hrs. Also, it's possible to be a Christian and believe God created the universe but not know HOW he did it.

Also I take "science" with a grain of salt. Afew hundred years ago science just knew the earth was flat. Scientists are still human and basing their findings on what they know or what they wish they knew. They learn more and more all the time and are constantly debunking what they thought they knew.

Bingo!

This is a perfect example of how we have let religion dominate science. The knowledge existed since the ancient Greeks. It was suppressed.

And now because religion suppressed this scientific knowledge, a person like yourself uses it as proof for why you should be skeptical of science. In fact you should be skeptical of religion's influence on science, which prevented dissemination of the truth for over a millenium.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another poster from page 1. Creationism aside, God aside, science vs. faith aside (and not totally sure why the two have to be mutually exclusive), whatever you believe, why do you feel the need to foist those beliefs on your children? Why are you afraid of them making up their own minds when they are able to?

Anybody going to at least try and answer this one?

So by this reasoning, surely you must be teaching your children the creation myths (er, sorry... facts) of ancient Sumeria, and the Greeks and Romans, Indians, etc. alongside Christian creationism, and the scientific theory of evolution, and then letting them make up their own minds, right? Because wouldn't you be some kind of hypocrite if you are trying to foist your beliefs on your children by only teaching them about Christian creationism and evolution and letting them make up their own mind based on incomplete information?

Love how it's always about "Christian hypocrisy" and never about the other Abrahamic faiths which share the same creation stories. Says a lot about this poster.

This thread is about Christian creationism. I would be happy to participate in a thread about Muslim (Jewish, Hindu, etc.)hypocrisy, if you would care to start one. As I mentioned, I'm a reform Jew. We learned the creation myths, and we learned not to take them literally. Science and knowledge are very important in my religion. One can believe in both God and science; it's not impossible to reconcile.

It's interesting that the earlier PP asked for someone to answer the above question, but apparently a lot of you couldn't handle my answer and so went straight to the whining.

I answered it:


Sure, I will try to answer. I tell my kids that I do not know if there is a God or not. Some people believe in God, some people do not. I want them to learn about religion and make up their own minds about whether or not they believe in God. Religion is a matter of faith. However, not everything is a matter of faith or opinion. A virus causes influenza. The earth is not 6000 years old. Creationism is not a valid or rational idea. The Sun is a G-type main sequence star, it is not a God that rides across the sky in a four horse chariot. People cannot flap their arms and fly like a bird. These are not things you "make up your mind" about whether or not to "believe" in them. We should educate our children, not simply leave them in ignorance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another poster from page 1. Creationism aside, God aside, science vs. faith aside (and not totally sure why the two have to be mutually exclusive), whatever you believe, why do you feel the need to foist those beliefs on your children? Why are you afraid of them making up their own minds when they are able to?

Anybody going to at least try and answer this one?

So by this reasoning, surely you must be teaching your children the creation myths (er, sorry... facts) of ancient Sumeria, and the Greeks and Romans, Indians, etc. alongside Christian creationism, and the scientific
theory of evolution, and then letting them make up their own minds, right? Because wouldn't you be some kind of hypocrite if you are trying to foist your beliefs on your children by only teaching them about Christian creationism and evolution and letting them make up their own mind based on incomplete information?

Oh! The evangelical athiest is back. Welcome!

Nice try, but I'm actually a practicing reform Jew. Never posted on DCUM as an athiest.

Oh! The Jew who hates Christians is back. Welcome!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another poster from page 1. Creationism aside, God aside, science vs. faith aside (and not totally sure why the two have to be mutually exclusive), whatever you believe, why do you feel the need to foist those beliefs on your children? Why are you afraid of them making up their own minds when they are able to?

Anybody going to at least try and answer this one?

So by this reasoning, surely you must be teaching your children the creation myths (er, sorry... facts) of ancient Sumeria, and the Greeks and Romans, Indians, etc. alongside Christian creationism, and the scientific theory of evolution, and then letting them make up their own minds, right? Because wouldn't you be some kind of hypocrite if you are trying to foist your beliefs on your children by only teaching them about Christian creationism and evolution and letting them make up their own mind based on incomplete information?

Love how it's always about "Christian hypocrisy" and never about the other Abrahamic faiths which share the same creation stories. Says a lot about this poster.

Last time I checked, the other faiths didn't run around spouting nonsense about creationism the way some Christians do. Now, granted, some extreme Muslims took over entire countries and imposed a horrible way of life on the people there... But, we're fighting a war over that.

Hey Reformed Jew, is this your third post in a row bashing Christianity? I mean, in addition to the earlier post you acknowledged where you bashed Christianity, and presumably lot of of earlier on this thread.

Your behavior is really ugly, I have to say.

[Anonymous]

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Last time I checked, the other faiths didn't run around spouting nonsense about creationism the way some Christians do. Now, granted, some extreme Muslims took over entire countries and imposed a horrible way of life on the people there... But, we're fighting a war over that.

You definitely get my nomination for Biggest Turd on the Thread. You're bigger even than Angry Atheist.

Here's what you sound like: "Hey everyone, my religion is the best! Much better than those other two religions! And I want you to know that I'm a Jew, and speaking for all Jews!"

What an absolutely smashing advert for Judaism. Honey, you're a total embarrassment.

[Anonymous]

All of the arguing on this discussion is even more reason why we need to give our children an understanding of our own beliefs, the knowledge that other beliefs exist, the means by which to investigate and lastly, permission to make their own judgements about what is right for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of the arguing on this discussion is even more reason why we need to give our children an understanding of our own beliefs, the knowledge that other beliefs exist, the means by which to investigate and lastly, permission to make their own judgements about what is right for them.

I think many of us can agree with this. Sadly, I think some -- on both sides of the issue -- have closed their minds to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous[b wrote:]I would have said to my kids that Christians believe the universe was created in seven days[/b], but that is a religious story and science says the universe is about 13.5 billion years old, and I would have added that our family considers science (which is based on observable facts) to be better at answering questions about the world/universe than science. I wouldn't have waited until the woman walked away, but I wouldn't have spoken so that she and her family could necessarily hear me.

We're a multicultural family -- I was raised Christian and became an atheist, DH is from another culture that is largely atheistic but has cultural religious beliefs nonetheless.

Stop right there. Many, many, many Christians do NOT believe that the universe was created in seven days. Your ignorance is showing.

[Anonymous]

All of the arguing on this discussion is even more reason why we need to give our children an understanding of our own beliefs, the knowledge that other beliefs exist, the means by which to investigate and lastly, permission to make their own judgements about what is right for them. [guardian]

What do you mean by "permission to make their own judgments about what is right for them?" If my child chooses to believe that the earth was created in seven days, I'm certainly not going to stop loving him or refuse to see him. At the same time, if he brings the topic up, I'm going to tell him that I don't believe that this belief is scientifically supportable. He has "permission" in the sense that he has my unconditional love and support either way, but not in the sense that I will pretend that I feel that this is a valid opinion or feel neutrally about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another poster from page 1. Creationism aside, God aside, science vs. faith aside (and not totally sure why the two have to be mutually exclusive), whatever you believe, why do you feel the need to foist those beliefs on your children? Why are you afraid of them making up their own minds when they are able to?

Anybody going to at least try and answer this one?

So by this reasoning, surely you must be teaching your children the creation myths (er, sorry... facts) of ancient Sumeria, and the Greeks and Romans, Indians, etc. alongside Christian creationism, and the scientific
theory of evolution, and then letting them make up their own minds, right? Because wouldn't you be some kind of hypocrite if you are trying to foist your beliefs on your children by only teaching them about Christian creationism and evolution and letting them make up their own mind based on incomplete information?

Oh! The evangelical athiest is back. Welcome!

Nice try, but I'm actually a practicing reform Jew. Never posted on DCUM as an athiest.

Oh! The Jew who hates Christians is back. Welcome!

Sorry, again not me. I like Christians enough that I married one. You seem very threatened by me, though. Why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another poster from page 1. Creationism aside, God aside, science vs. faith aside (and not totally sure why the two have to be mutually exclusive), whatever you believe, why do you feel the need to foist those beliefs on your children? Why are you afraid of them making up their own minds when they are able to?

Anybody going to at least try and answer this one?

So by this reasoning, surely you must be teaching your children the creation myths (er, sorry... facts) of ancient Sumeria, and the Greeks and Romans, Indians, etc. alongside Christian creationism, and the scientific theory of evolution, and then letting them make up their own minds, right? Because wouldn't you be some kind of hypocrite if you are trying to foist your beliefs on your children by only teaching them about Christian creationism and evolution and letting them make up their own mind based on incomplete information?

Love how it's always about "Christian hypocrisy" and never about the other Abrahamic faiths which share the same creation stories. Says a lot about this poster.

Last time I checked, the other faiths didn't run around spouting nonsense about creationism the way some Christians do. Now, granted, some extreme Muslims took over entire countries and imposed a horrible way of life on the people there... But, we're fighting a war over that.

Hey Reformed Jew, is this your third post in a row bashing Christianity? I mean, in addition to the earlier post you acknowledged where you bashed Christianity, and presumably lot of of earlier on this thread.

Your behavior is really ugly, I have to say.

*Sigh* Yet again, not me. Please feel free to check with Jeff if it's really bothering you. I'm trying to engage in rational, hate-free dialogue, yet one or more of you keep launching these wild accusations, making dialogue practically impossible.