Have the teachers gotten worse over the years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Up the thread a teacher already admitted to lying about sick leave because it’s not paid out generously enough for her (despite being comparably paid out to other public jobs) If teachers take the 1-3 personal days per contract and any sick days had a doctors note than I wouldn’t see a problem.

Treating professional like they work at McDonalds and need a doctors note every time they get laryngitis, flu, covid, etc. is so typical of the micromanagement the general public feels is appropriate. That’s making people waste a medical professional’s time when generally, self care at home is adequate.

You are taking the word of a couple of internet whack jobs who crow about exploiting their leave as gospel for the whole profession. Have some common sense.

They’re talking about committing fraud with taxdollars. Screwing over the McDonald’s CEO is not my concern, screwing over taxpayers is everyones concern. Particularly since the kind of teacher who accepts a job knowing the conditions of employment and then steals from taxpayers really doesn’t belong in a room with children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Up the thread a teacher already admitted to lying about sick leave because it’s not paid out generously enough for her (despite being comparably paid out to other public jobs) If teachers take the 1-3 personal days per contract and any sick days had a doctors note than I wouldn’t see a problem.

Treating professional like they work at McDonalds and need a doctors note every time they get laryngitis, flu, covid, etc. is so typical of the micromanagement the general public feels is appropriate. That’s making people waste a medical professional’s time when generally, self care at home is adequate.

You are taking the word of a couple of internet whack jobs who crow about exploiting their leave as gospel for the whole profession. Have some common sense.

What makes you better than the people who work at McDonalds?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Up the thread a teacher already admitted to lying about sick leave because it’s not paid out generously enough for her (despite being comparably paid out to other public jobs) If teachers take the 1-3 personal days per contract and any sick days had a doctors note than I wouldn’t see a problem.

Treating professional like they work at McDonalds and need a doctors note every time they get laryngitis, flu, covid, etc. is so typical of the micromanagement the general public feels is appropriate. That’s making people waste a medical professional’s time when generally, self care at home is adequate.

You are taking the word of a couple of internet whack jobs who crow about exploiting their leave as gospel for the whole profession. Have some common sense.

What makes you better than the people who work at McDonalds?

Not a single thing, except I haven’t had to provide a doctor’s note since I worked there 25 years ago. My job as a college professor and as a govt contractor both allowed me to take my paid sick benefit without a doctor’s note.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Up the thread a teacher already admitted to lying about sick leave because it’s not paid out generously enough for her (despite being comparably paid out to other public jobs) If teachers take the 1-3 personal days per contract and any sick days had a doctors note than I wouldn’t see a problem.

Treating professional like they work at McDonalds and need a doctors note every time they get laryngitis, flu, covid, etc. is so typical of the micromanagement the general public feels is appropriate. That’s making people waste a medical professional’s time when generally, self care at home is adequate.

You are taking the word of a couple of internet whack jobs who crow about exploiting their leave as gospel for the whole profession. Have some common sense.

They’re talking about committing fraud with taxdollars. Screwing over the McDonald’s CEO is not my concern, screwing over taxpayers is everyones concern. Particularly since the kind of teacher who accepts a job knowing the conditions of employment and then steals from taxpayers really doesn’t belong in a room with children.

So, a couple of anonymous internet posters say they exploit their leave benefit and you want to eliminate it for everyone? Make it make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Up the thread a teacher already admitted to lying about sick leave because it’s not paid out generously enough for her (despite being comparably paid out to other public jobs) If teachers take the 1-3 personal days per contract and any sick days had a doctors note than I wouldn’t see a problem.

Treating professional like they work at McDonalds and need a doctors note every time they get laryngitis, flu, covid, etc. is so typical of the micromanagement the general public feels is appropriate. That’s making people waste a medical professional’s time when generally, self care at home is adequate.

You are taking the word of a couple of internet whack jobs who crow about exploiting their leave as gospel for the whole profession. Have some common sense.

They’re talking about committing fraud with taxdollars. Screwing over the McDonald’s CEO is not my concern, screwing over taxpayers is everyones concern. Particularly since the kind of teacher who accepts a job knowing the conditions of employment and then steals from taxpayers really doesn’t belong in a room with children.

So, a couple of anonymous internet posters say they exploit their leave benefit and you want to eliminate it for everyone? Make it make sense.

Who said eliminate? Trust but verify. Teacher absenteeism is out of hand.

[Anonymous]

So taking contracted sick leave is fraud? I took a sick day last week after a student attacked me and then their parent came after me in the parking lot after school. Mental heath days fall under sick days and my employer doesn’t require doctor’s notes. In fact my principal told me to take the day off. I don’t need your permission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So taking contracted sick leave is fraud? I took a sick day last week after a student attacked me and then their parent came after me in the parking lot after school. Mental heath days fall under sick days and my employer doesn’t require doctor’s notes. In fact my principal told me to take the day off. I don’t need your permission.

No one thinks you need my permission.

Other teachers in the thread are saying they’re taking their sick leave as personal time, and justifying it because they’re not happy with the regulations around it being paid out.

Fraud is trashy. And just as criminal as your students’ parent in the parking lot.

[Anonymous]

Maybe they’re taking their sick leave as mental health days. You aren’t our employer so it isn’t your business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they’re taking their sick leave as mental health days. You aren’t our employer so it isn’t your business.

I’m not your employer. But fraud with public funds is everyone’s business and mental health issues in people responsible for children should certainly concern us all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obviously, there are good teachers and bad teachers now, and there were good teachers and bad teachers then.

But an argument I've heard that supports your theory is that back in the day, teaching was one of only a few acceptable career paths for smart women. Nowadays, there are million career paths for smart women. So presumably, at least some women who would have been teachers if they were born in 1945 are instead running companies or working as high level executives, lawyers, doctors, etc.

This. Plus, classrooms are bananas these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they’re taking their sick leave as mental health days. You aren’t our employer so it isn’t your business.

I’m not your employer. But fraud with public funds is everyone’s business and mental health issues in people responsible for children should certainly concern us all.

So you’re concerned about teachers’ mental health now? Or should we all just suck it up so your kid doesn’t have to have a sub for the day? Which is it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they’re taking their sick leave as mental health days. You aren’t our employer so it isn’t your business.

I’m not your employer. But fraud with public funds is everyone’s business and mental health issues in people responsible for children should certainly concern us all.

So you’re concerned about teachers’ mental health now? Or should we all just suck it up so your kid doesn’t have to have a sub for the day? Which is it?

DP. If you're not mentally capable of doing the job then you should quit. Taking "mental health days" is a sign you're not up to the task, the same as any other job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So taking contracted sick leave is fraud? I took a sick day last week after a student attacked me and then their parent came after me in the parking lot after school. Mental heath days fall under sick days and my employer doesn’t require doctor’s notes. In fact my principal told me to take the day off. I don’t need your permission.

No one thinks you need my permission.

Other teachers in the thread are saying they’re taking their sick leave as personal time, and justifying it because they’re not happy with the regulations around it being paid out.

Fraud is trashy. And just as criminal as your students’ parent in the parking lot.

No, but you’re suggesting teachers get doctor’s notes for every sick day, that we need to prove to others that our sick leave is warranted. You’re taking a couple of people upthread and generalizing the entire profession as if now, you know what scammers we are.

The rare time I see teachers use their entire allotment of leave is usually the first three years with their own child, because of their illnesses. If you think your district allots too much paid sick leave, take it up with the school board.

[Anonymous]

Gee, why aren’t more of our best and brightest clamoring for this kind of professional (dis)respect? I can’t imagine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they’re taking their sick leave as mental health days. You aren’t our employer so it isn’t your business.

I’m not your employer. But fraud with public funds is everyone’s business and mental health issues in people responsible for children should certainly concern us all.

So you’re concerned about teachers’ mental health now? Or should we all just suck it up so your kid doesn’t have to have a sub for the day? Which is it?

DP. If you're not mentally capable of doing the job then you should quit. Taking "mental health days" is a sign you're not up to the task, the same as any other job.

DP why do you think it is okay to talk to people this way? Wtaf is wrong with you?