Increase Absenteeism in Midle/Upper SES students not due to illness?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

That is some disturbingly twisted math.

March 2020 to June 2021 is ONE YEAR (plus three months).

2021-2022 was a normal school year. Mask mandates do not mean kids were not in school.

Are you thick? 2021-2022 was definitely not a normal school year. Everybody was masked and desks were apart. No group work. Kids ate outside or lunch in shifts. The teachers were scared. Zero field trips. Behavior was atrocious. Hardly any learning took place. Many teachers used the previous year’s virtual curriculum. We even had one teacher refuse to use any paper. It was a f&&king disaster.

DP. You're the one who's thick. Covid shutdowns started in March of 2020, so the rest of the 2019-20 school year was online, as was 2020-21 through about late January, when covid shots became available and schools reopened.
2021-22 was a normal school year. Yes, student behaviors were horrible, but it was a normal school year.

You have reading comprehension issues. Both myself and the PP said it wasn’t normal school for 2 years and that is correct. Technically they were open after 15 months but that year (2021-2022) was not real school by any means.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

That is some disturbingly twisted math.

March 2020 to June 2021 is ONE YEAR (plus three months).

2021-2022 was a normal school year. Mask mandates do not mean kids were not in school.

Are you thick? 2021-2022 was definitely not a normal school year. Everybody was masked and desks were apart. No group work. Kids ate outside or lunch in shifts. The teachers were scared. Zero field trips. Behavior was atrocious. Hardly any learning took place. Many teachers used the previous year’s virtual curriculum. We even had one teacher refuse to use any paper. It was a f&&king disaster.

DP. You're the one who's thick. Covid shutdowns started in March of 2020, so the rest of the 2019-20 school year was online, as was 2020-21 through about late January, when covid shots became available and schools reopened.
2021-22 was a normal school year. Yes, student behaviors were horrible, but it was a normal school year.

Different poster than the one you are arguing with.

School did not reopen during the 2020-21 school year.

What they did was not school

All of my kids were back in school buildings by March 2021. That means they were in a "reopened" school for three months ofmthe 2020-2021 school year. Before that, my kids all had teachers who did a phenomenal job with online learning. What they did was absolutely school.

Parent attitude had a lot to do with the success children felt and achieved. If your kid(s) had a bad experience, a lot of that was probably due to your poor attitude.

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Even children can see that lipstick on a pig is still a pig. That’s reality, not a “poor attitude.”

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I, as an alum, will happily tell you why we are more absentee.

It’s because we are stressed, overworked, not given open study periods to do work or take time for ourselves, and are put in buildings with derelict conditions (I can speak for students who are from a building that has either not been renovated since construction or in years since it last was renovated as I went to two secondary schools that are in this criteria).

The overwhelming amount of stuff we had to do is enough to make a grown adult crack and fold, and because we are seeking relief from the perpetual and pervasive stress and boredom, we don’t come to the place that causes us such detriment to our mental health.

Seniors show a bereftness in motivation as they get ready to move to their next chapter (college, workforce, military, etc…), but from the lack of mental health resources, secondary students feel such noxious anxiety or depression from repeating the same cycle they’ve been in since they were 5, but has altered ever so slightly since they were 11/12 to 18.

If we’re leaving, that’s a symptom of a broken system!

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You want the truth? I want to go on vacation in either the spring or fall. Spring break is too expensive.

They’re killing me with random days off and middle of the week half days. I don’t feel guilty at all.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not an FCPS calendar issue. It’s a problem all over. https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA956-34.html

Several hypotheses but I favor this one:

One hypothesis is that families and students became accustomed to districts’ relaxed expectations and revised instructional practices that were implemented during the pandemic; for example, schools might still be providing more-generous makeup windows or allowing students to make up more missed schoolwork online, relative to their prepandemic practices. Specifically, the availability of online materials to replace in-person instruction may have shifted at least some parents’ perceptions about the importance of their children being physically present in school (Diliberti et al., 2024; Saavedra, Polikoff, and Silver, 2024).

School systems said, "F school, face to face interaction isn't that big of a deal." Years later, parents and the children who were in school during that time agree.

The question is, does the increased absenteeism occur to the same degree in the areas that had drastically shorter "lockdown" periods and opened school as normal or near normal in Fall 2020?

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Anonymous wrote:The whole "I have nothing going on in classes" is a complete lie. I don't know why parents accept this. The fact that they don't have a quiz or test means they are learning something new. I would much rather my student miss a testing day compared to a learning day

This skips over a hard truth - some kids learn faster and better than others. The 2nd day of a concept in math might be new to some kids and agonizingly boring to others. You can be mad that the kids who pick things up quicker skip school but the pattern continues. People at work get their stuff done and then surf the internet or walk around chatting (or do other things if working from home). That's just how life works.

There are things FCPS could do to address this but it would mean greater differentiation and accepting that not everyone should be able to take honors classes. They won't do that so things will keep going the way they are.

Yes. This is what it's like for my kids. We are a high SES family in a low SES high school. Both kids skip a TON of school. I gave up caring a few years ago. Kid #1 graduated 1st in his class and is currently at a T20 and barely went to school. His common experience was that he would show up on test day or a day when a project was due and half the class would not have their projects done so the teacher would give the entire class period so that those kids could finish, or postpone the test to another day and let the kids use the entire class period to study. Meanwhile, my kid is sitting with his thumb up his ass bored to death. Half the kids in his AP classes didn't belong there. And because FCPS does block scheduling, every wasted period is 90 agonizing minutes.

Not every kid who skips school is bound to fail. Some are ready for a higher level of challenge that is not readily available in every FCPS school. I support my kids to know how much school they need to go to in order to get the results they want from their education. So far, FCPS hasn't cared how much school they attend. Neither of my kids has ever been flagged by the school or any individual teacher for absenteeism.

These will be the same people who claim “we value education” because it sounds like the kind of thing people in their social circle should say, but their actions and attitudes reveal they actually don’t value education at all.

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Lol no. If your kid is way ahead of the class, then the school is not providing education. Missing means zip unless you have friends you can actually spend meaningful time within the building.

I was that kid years ago who finished assignments way before the vast majority of the rest of the class. I always brought a book to school to fill the excess time. Luckily that was only an issue in elementary, and I found my academic peers in junior high. I can't imagine how mind-numbingly boring it would be to endure in high school; especially since I have heard anecdotally that such obvious display of superior subject knowledge/competence (reading a book while everyone else is still trying to understand/work on assigned tasks) is frowned upon these days.

I'm just glad the other poster's kids don't get hassled for missing school when they clearly don't need to be there that much.

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I am appalled as a parent that some of you believe your child will learn better at home than school. Can they find the answers and write reports with AI easily and more quickly? Absolutely. Will they learn anything and be able to remember it? 99.9% of students will not. Unless your kid is absolutely brilliant, which means they can take some advance classes in a subject of their choose online. Many parents believe there kid is so smart, but the inflated grades tell parents they are smarter than they are. My guess is these are the same kids that cheat their way through test and do retakes and turn stuff in late and then say they are too smart for school.

Missing school will catch up to them as will cheating on assignments. I would love to see how these “too smart for school” kids are doing in their college. None of the current parents on here seem to know and I bet it’s because they are struggling because they never developed the building blocks needs to answer thoughtful questions.

Furthermore schools is suppose to be fun, if you finish early be social. Kids that miss school are 25X more likely to be depressed.

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Anonymous wrote:I am appalled as a parent that some of you believe your child will learn better at home than school. Can they find the answers and write reports with AI easily and more quickly? Absolutely. Will they learn anything and be able to remember it? 99.9% of students will not. Unless your kid is absolutely brilliant, which means they can take some advance classes in a subject of their choose online. Many parents believe there kid is so smart, but the inflated grades tell parents they are smarter than they are. My guess is these are the same kids that cheat their way through test and do retakes and turn stuff in late and then say they are too smart for school.

Missing school will catch up to them as will cheating on assignments. I would love to see how these “too smart for school” kids are doing in their college. None of the current parents on here seem to know and I bet it’s because they are struggling because they never developed the building blocks needs to answer thoughtful questions.

Furthermore schools is suppose to be fun, if you finish early be social. Kids that miss school are 25X more likely to be depressed.

I'm appalled that you as a parent don't realize that all kids are built differently and that the public school system has morphed into a system that strives to treat all kids with the same cookie cutter approach that increasingly caters to the middle of the road or lowest common denominator (after all, we wouldn't want those kids to feel bad about themselves).

You're correct about inflated grades telling parents that their kid is smarter than they actually are, but there actually are kids who are curious, want to learn, are predominantly self-taught and breeze through high school without being challenged and go on to do well in college because they actually are that smart.

There are more of those kids than you're realizing and they are being shortchanged by their school so who gives a crap if they skip school. The kids who are using AI to cheat are the ones who have to in order to convince themselves and everybody else that they're at the top of the class.

Like some of the other parents on here my kid skipped a lot of school in HS and is now in college with a 4.0 in mechanical engineering. We got tired of trying to convince teachers in middle school and high school that he needed more of a challenge than what he was getting. Also frustrated by how much time he was forced to sit in class with all of his work done and not be allowed to socialize, do work for other classes or pull out his phone or laptop. Literally just stared at the walls until the bell.

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Anonymous wrote:I am appalled as a parent that some of you believe your child will learn better at home than school. Can they find the answers and write reports with AI easily and more quickly? Absolutely. Will they learn anything and be able to remember it? 99.9% of students will not. Unless your kid is absolutely brilliant, which means they can take some advance classes in a subject of their choose online. Many parents believe there kid is so smart, but the inflated grades tell parents they are smarter than they are. My guess is these are the same kids that cheat their way through test and do retakes and turn stuff in late and then say they are too smart for school.

Missing school will catch up to them as will cheating on assignments. I would love to see how these “too smart for school” kids are doing in their college. None of the current parents on here seem to know and I bet it’s because they are struggling because they never developed the building blocks needs to answer thoughtful questions.

Furthermore schools is suppose to be fun, if you finish early be social. Kids that miss school are 25X more likely to be depressed.

I'm appalled that you as a parent don't realize that all kids are built differently and that the public school system has morphed into a system that strives to treat all kids with the same cookie cutter approach that increasingly caters to the middle of the road or lowest common denominator (after all, we wouldn't want those kids to feel bad about themselves).

You're correct about inflated grades telling parents that their kid is smarter than they actually are, but there actually are kids who are curious, want to learn, are predominantly self-taught and breeze through high school without being challenged and go on to do well in college because they actually are that smart.

There are more of those kids than you're realizing and they are being shortchanged by their school so who gives a crap if they skip school. The kids who are using AI to cheat are the ones who have to in order to convince themselves and everybody else that they're at the top of the class.

Like some of the other parents on here my kid skipped a lot of school in HS and is now in college with a 4.0 in mechanical engineering. We got tired of trying to convince teachers in middle school and high school that he needed more of a challenge than what he was getting. Also frustrated by how much time he was forced to sit in class with all of his work done and not be allowed to socialize, do work for other classes or pull out his phone or laptop. Literally just stared at the walls until the bell.

Maybe some subject but all subject is not true. I doubt your kid was stellar and board to death in AP calculus, AP physics, AP chemistry because they should be taking all of those classes and more for engineering. If your son really has a 4.0 at VT engineering and we are talking about more than 1 semester good for them but this is a rare exception and not the typical kid missing 30+ days of school. And i seriously doubt your kids were told they can’t socialize if all their work was done.

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Anonymous wrote:I am appalled as a parent that some of you believe your child will learn better at home than school. Can they find the answers and write reports with AI easily and more quickly? Absolutely. Will they learn anything and be able to remember it? 99.9% of students will not. Unless your kid is absolutely brilliant, which means they can take some advance classes in a subject of their choose online. Many parents believe there kid is so smart, but the inflated grades tell parents they are smarter than they are. My guess is these are the same kids that cheat their way through test and do retakes and turn stuff in late and then say they are too smart for school.

Missing school will catch up to them as will cheating on assignments. I would love to see how these “too smart for school” kids are doing in their college. None of the current parents on here seem to know and I bet it’s because they are struggling because they never developed the building blocks needs to answer thoughtful questions.

Furthermore schools is suppose to be fun, if you finish early be social. Kids that miss school are 25X more likely to be depressed.

Why are people here so offended that public school isn't providing the right set up for all students? Is that hard to believe in a system of 180k kids? How can you get through this much life having never met someone who took a different approach or didn't have to work quite as hard but is still successful?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

That is some disturbingly twisted math.

March 2020 to June 2021 is ONE YEAR (plus three months).

2021-2022 was a normal school year. Mask mandates do not mean kids were not in school.

Are you thick? 2021-2022 was definitely not a normal school year. Everybody was masked and desks were apart. No group work. Kids ate outside or lunch in shifts. The teachers were scared. Zero field trips. Behavior was atrocious. Hardly any learning took place. Many teachers used the previous year’s virtual curriculum. We even had one teacher refuse to use any paper. It was a f&&king disaster.

At the spring musical and orchestra/band concerts and classes, the kids had to wear masks, then remove them to blow into their horns spraying air everywhere, then replace the masks when their part was ended.

Because of course, covid air does not spread when you are forcefully blowing air through a trumpet.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

That is some disturbingly twisted math.

March 2020 to June 2021 is ONE YEAR (plus three months).

2021-2022 was a normal school year. Mask mandates do not mean kids were not in school.

Are you thick? 2021-2022 was definitely not a normal school year. Everybody was masked and desks were apart. No group work. Kids ate outside or lunch in shifts. The teachers were scared. Zero field trips. Behavior was atrocious. Hardly any learning took place. Many teachers used the previous year’s virtual curriculum. We even had one teacher refuse to use any paper. It was a f&&king disaster.

DP. You're the one who's thick. Covid shutdowns started in March of 2020, so the rest of the 2019-20 school year was online, as was 2020-21 through about late January, when covid shots became available and schools reopened.
2021-22 was a normal school year. Yes, student behaviors were horrible, but it was a normal school year.

Different poster than the one you are arguing with.

School did not reopen during the 2020-21 school year.

What they did was not school

+1 and late January was not for everyone, only select groups.

My daughter’s first day back to the hybrid set up was March 9. Just checked my calendar.

Late January my ass.

It wasn't a class.

It was all on computer sitting separately from classmates.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

That is some disturbingly twisted math.

March 2020 to June 2021 is ONE YEAR (plus three months).

2021-2022 was a normal school year. Mask mandates do not mean kids were not in school.

Are you thick? 2021-2022 was definitely not a normal school year. Everybody was masked and desks were apart. No group work. Kids ate outside or lunch in shifts. The teachers were scared. Zero field trips. Behavior was atrocious. Hardly any learning took place. Many teachers used the previous year’s virtual curriculum. We even had one teacher refuse to use any paper. It was a f&&king disaster.

DP. You're the one who's thick. Covid shutdowns started in March of 2020, so the rest of the 2019-20 school year was online, as was 2020-21 through about late January, when covid shots became available and schools reopened.
2021-22 was a normal school year. Yes, student behaviors were horrible, but it was a normal school year.

Different poster than the one you are arguing with.

School did not reopen during the 2020-21 school year.

What they did was not school

All of my kids were back in school buildings by March 2021. That means they were in a "reopened" school for three months ofmthe 2020-2021 school year. Before that, my kids all had teachers who did a phenomenal job with online learning. What they did was absolutely school.

Parent attitude had a lot to do with the success children felt and achieved. If your kid(s) had a bad experience, a lot of that was probably due to your poor attitude.

LOL. No it wasn’t. You must have really low expectations.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

That is some disturbingly twisted math.

March 2020 to June 2021 is ONE YEAR (plus three months).

2021-2022 was a normal school year. Mask mandates do not mean kids were not in school.

Are you thick? 2021-2022 was definitely not a normal school year. Everybody was masked and desks were apart. No group work. Kids ate outside or lunch in shifts. The teachers were scared. Zero field trips. Behavior was atrocious. Hardly any learning took place. Many teachers used the previous year’s virtual curriculum. We even had one teacher refuse to use any paper. It was a f&&king disaster.

DP. You're the one who's thick. Covid shutdowns started in March of 2020, so the rest of the 2019-20 school year was online, as was 2020-21 through about late January, when covid shots became available and schools reopened.
2021-22 was a normal school year. Yes, student behaviors were horrible, but it was a normal school year.

Different poster than the one you are arguing with.

School did not reopen during the 2020-21 school year.

What they did was not school

+1 and late January was not for everyone, only select groups.

My daughter’s first day back to the hybrid set up was March 9. Just checked my calendar.

Late January my ass.

It wasn't a class.

It was all on computer sitting separately from classmates.

+1 and sometimes with a monitor. Not even the actual classroom teacher. Even though they were vaccinated.