Increase Absenteeism in Midle/Upper SES students not due to illness?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

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Anonymous wrote:The whole "I have nothing going on in classes" is a complete lie. I don't know why parents accept this. The fact that they don't have a quiz or test means they are learning something new. I would much rather my student miss a testing day compared to a learning day

This skips over a hard truth - some kids learn faster and better than others. The 2nd day of a concept in math might be new to some kids and agonizingly boring to others. You can be mad that the kids who pick things up quicker skip school but the pattern continues. People at work get their stuff done and then surf the internet or walk around chatting (or do other things if working from home). That's just how life works.

There are things FCPS could do to address this but it would mean greater differentiation and accepting that not everyone should be able to take honors classes. They won't do that so things will keep going the way they are.

Yes. This is what it's like for my kids. We are a high SES family in a low SES high school. Both kids skip a TON of school. I gave up caring a few years ago. Kid #1 graduated 1st in his class and is currently at a T20 and barely went to school. His common experience was that he would show up on test day or a day when a project was due and half the class would not have their projects done so the teacher would give the entire class period so that those kids could finish, or postpone the test to another day and let the kids use the entire class period to study. Meanwhile, my kid is sitting with his thumb up his ass bored to death. Half the kids in his AP classes didn't belong there. And because FCPS does block scheduling, every wasted period is 90 agonizing minutes.

Not every kid who skips school is bound to fail. Some are ready for a higher level of challenge that is not readily available in every FCPS school. I support my kids to know how much school they need to go to in order to get the results they want from their education. So far, FCPS hasn't cared how much school they attend. Neither of my kids has ever been flagged by the school or any individual teacher for absenteeism.

These will be the same people who claim “we value education” because it sounds like the kind of thing people in their social circle should say, but their actions and attitudes reveal they actually don’t value education at all.

PP said kid graduated 1st in their class and went to a T20 school. Is "valuing education" to you doing what you are told without critical thinking? I can pass on that type of "education.'

You continuing saying first in class is so annoying. Fcps doesn’t even have class rank and hasn’t for 10 years. What is you kids major? If it is a major that values creativity like writing or English or theater than fine regular school is not doing that much help, but I can guarantee he’s not first in class and probably struggling at UVA now

FCPS schools do have class rank, they just don't publish it or report it. My kid asked his guidance counselor at the end of the year what his class rank was and GC pulled it right up in a readily-available excel spreadsheet and told him what it was. I'm sure PPs kid is doing well at his T20. Maybe you just can't handle the notion that because your kid is struggling with APs and Honors classes and goes to school every day and studies all the time that means that it is impossible for another student to do better with less effort.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole "I have nothing going on in classes" is a complete lie. I don't know why parents accept this. The fact that they don't have a quiz or test means they are learning something new. I would much rather my student miss a testing day compared to a learning day

This skips over a hard truth - some kids learn faster and better than others. The 2nd day of a concept in math might be new to some kids and agonizingly boring to others. You can be mad that the kids who pick things up quicker skip school but the pattern continues. People at work get their stuff done and then surf the internet or walk around chatting (or do other things if working from home). That's just how life works.

There are things FCPS could do to address this but it would mean greater differentiation and accepting that not everyone should be able to take honors classes. They won't do that so things will keep going the way they are.

Yes. This is what it's like for my kids. We are a high SES family in a low SES high school. Both kids skip a TON of school. I gave up caring a few years ago. Kid #1 graduated 1st in his class and is currently at a T20 and barely went to school. His common experience was that he would show up on test day or a day when a project was due and half the class would not have their projects done so the teacher would give the entire class period so that those kids could finish, or postpone the test to another day and let the kids use the entire class period to study. Meanwhile, my kid is sitting with his thumb up his ass bored to death. Half the kids in his AP classes didn't belong there. And because FCPS does block scheduling, every wasted period is 90 agonizing minutes.

Not every kid who skips school is bound to fail. Some are ready for a higher level of challenge that is not readily available in every FCPS school. I support my kids to know how much school they need to go to in order to get the results they want from their education. So far, FCPS hasn't cared how much school they attend. Neither of my kids has ever been flagged by the school or any individual teacher for absenteeism.

These will be the same people who claim “we value education” because it sounds like the kind of thing people in their social circle should say, but their actions and attitudes reveal they actually don’t value education at all.

PP said kid graduated 1st in their class and went to a T20 school. Is "valuing education" to you doing what you are told without critical thinking? I can pass on that type of "education.'

You continuing saying first in class is so annoying. Fcps doesn’t even have class rank and hasn’t for 10 years. What is you kids major? If it is a major that values creativity like writing or English or theater than fine regular school is not doing that much help, but I can guarantee he’s not first in class and probably struggling at UVA now

FCPS schools do have class rank, they just don't publish it or report it. My kid asked his guidance counselor at the end of the year what his class rank was and GC pulled it right up in a readily-available excel spreadsheet and told him what it was. I'm sure PPs kid is doing well at his T20. Maybe you just can't handle the notion that because your kid is struggling with APs and Honors classes and goes to school every day and studies all the time that means that it is impossible for another student to do better with less effort.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

I think there is a true lack of educating happening at FCPS schools and kids and parents know it. If students have to teach themself and teachers shrug shoulder at students learning...well expect families to quietly quit.

A lot of parents are completely delusional. Some of you would believe anything your kid said. I can promise you in my class it would be almost impossible to get an A and miss tons of days. For one it’s chemistry, which is probably harder than a lot of subjects. Two I assign a decent amount and all of our summative grades are test and quizzes on paper so there is no way to fake it or cheat online. Now these kids are cheating on everything and some of the older teachers don’t do a great job at disallowing so it may be possible but I guarantee if they are missing school they are not learning even 50% of what they would in school. Please go attend with your child one day so he can see through the lies of your child.

There are good teachers but there are a lot of warm bodies these days too. Also when you have multiple kids and they all have the same teachers and you see/hear the same things.....and their friends are saying the same.....maybe you just have a waste of space teacher. Sorry your feelings are hurt about it-I'm sure you are great but not everyone is.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

No kid should need help preparing for online personal finance.

That is a box checking class that can be knocked out in a day or two with minimal effort.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

No kid should need help preparing for online personal finance.

That is a box checking class that can be knocked out in a day or two with minimal effort.

yup easy and pointless class.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

I think there is a true lack of educating happening at FCPS schools and kids and parents know it. If students have to teach themself and teachers shrug shoulder at students learning...well expect families to quietly quit.

A lot of parents are completely delusional. Some of you would believe anything your kid said. I can promise you in my class it would be almost impossible to get an A and miss tons of days. For one it’s chemistry, which is probably harder than a lot of subjects. Two I assign a decent amount and all of our summative grades are test and quizzes on paper so there is no way to fake it or cheat online. Now these kids are cheating on everything and some of the older teachers don’t do a great job at disallowing so it may be possible but I guarantee if they are missing school they are not learning even 50% of what they would in school. Please go attend with your child one day so he can see through the lies of your child.

There are good teachers but there are a lot of warm bodies these days too. Also when you have multiple kids and they all have the same teachers and you see/hear the same things.....and their friends are saying the same.....maybe you just have a waste of space teacher. Sorry your feelings are hurt about it-I'm sure you are great but not everyone is.

DD would be doing better in most of her classes (Chemistry is the exception; excellent teacher and very well taught) if she didn't go to school. As it is, she spends 7 hours in school learning absolutely nothing, then comes home and teaches herself everything she should have learned. It's exhausting. So if she wants to sleep in 30 minutes or miss first period occasionally because that class is an absolute waste of time, I am not going to say no.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

That is some disturbingly twisted math.

March 2020 to June 2021 is ONE YEAR (plus three months).

2021-2022 was a normal school year. Mask mandates do not mean kids were not in school.

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Yes to the poster above. The kids have to take very hard classes so if they feel like they can learn the material better on their own, I will let them miss occasionally if they need the time.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

That is some disturbingly twisted math.

March 2020 to June 2021 is ONE YEAR (plus three months).

2021-2022 was a normal school year. Mask mandates do not mean kids were not in school.

Are you thick? 2021-2022 was definitely not a normal school year. Everybody was masked and desks were apart. No group work. Kids ate outside or lunch in shifts. The teachers were scared. Zero field trips. Behavior was atrocious. Hardly any learning took place. Many teachers used the previous year’s virtual curriculum. We even had one teacher refuse to use any paper. It was a f&&king disaster.

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Honestly my school it is really dependent on the subject. My kids act like they absolutely nothing in English or History and act like they learn for a full class in science and math

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

That is some disturbingly twisted math.

March 2020 to June 2021 is ONE YEAR (plus three months).

2021-2022 was a normal school year. Mask mandates do not mean kids were not in school.

Are you thick? 2021-2022 was definitely not a normal school year. Everybody was masked and desks were apart. No group work. Kids ate outside or lunch in shifts. The teachers were scared. Zero field trips. Behavior was atrocious. Hardly any learning took place. Many teachers used the previous year’s virtual curriculum. We even had one teacher refuse to use any paper. It was a f&&king disaster.

DP. You're the one who's thick. Covid shutdowns started in March of 2020, so the rest of the 2019-20 school year was online, as was 2020-21 through about late January, when covid shots became available and schools reopened.
2021-22 was a normal school year. Yes, student behaviors were horrible, but it was a normal school year.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

That is some disturbingly twisted math.

March 2020 to June 2021 is ONE YEAR (plus three months).

2021-2022 was a normal school year. Mask mandates do not mean kids were not in school.

Are you thick? 2021-2022 was definitely not a normal school year. Everybody was masked and desks were apart. No group work. Kids ate outside or lunch in shifts. The teachers were scared. Zero field trips. Behavior was atrocious. Hardly any learning took place. Many teachers used the previous year’s virtual curriculum. We even had one teacher refuse to use any paper. It was a f&&king disaster.

DP. You're the one who's thick. Covid shutdowns started in March of 2020, so the rest of the 2019-20 school year was online, as was 2020-21 through about late January, when covid shots became available and schools reopened.
2021-22 was a normal school year. Yes, student behaviors were horrible, but it was a normal school year.

Different poster than the one you are arguing with.

School did not reopen during the 2020-21 school year.

What they did was not school

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

That is some disturbingly twisted math.

March 2020 to June 2021 is ONE YEAR (plus three months).

2021-2022 was a normal school year. Mask mandates do not mean kids were not in school.

Are you thick? 2021-2022 was definitely not a normal school year. Everybody was masked and desks were apart. No group work. Kids ate outside or lunch in shifts. The teachers were scared. Zero field trips. Behavior was atrocious. Hardly any learning took place. Many teachers used the previous year’s virtual curriculum. We even had one teacher refuse to use any paper. It was a f&&king disaster.

DP. You're the one who's thick. Covid shutdowns started in March of 2020, so the rest of the 2019-20 school year was online, as was 2020-21 through about late January, when covid shots became available and schools reopened.
2021-22 was a normal school year. Yes, student behaviors were horrible, but it was a normal school year.

Different poster than the one you are arguing with.

School did not reopen during the 2020-21 school year.

What they did was not school

+1 and late January was not for everyone, only select groups.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a combination of parents remembering how schools handled covid-it was hey kids teach yourself, you don't need to be in person, and the calendar. For years the schools have sent the message that regular attendance doesn't matter.

Omg covid was ONE year of school. One. Many of the kids in school now weren’t even in school when covid happened!

New to FCPS?

It was 2 full years, plus 2-3 years of recovery here.

Maybe not in your red state, but blue FCPS,was all in on covid school for years.

It was NOT one full year. March - June 2020 = 3 months. Many schools went back in for optional hybrid in February 2021- June 2021. Everyone in this entire state was back in person August 2021. Some families CHOSE to remain online but even then it was NOT in any realm two full years.

You clearly didn't have kids in school during Covid.

It was not school.

FCPS was entirely online. The kids were in the building, but only 2x week with half of the kids there. Everyone sitting spaced apart on their computers with the teachers online and no interaction allowed with the teachers who volunteered to come in person.

Even the autistic and special needs kids had to do this type of learning. The local news had extensive coverage of this. The autistic students were the first ones allowed back due to lawsuits, but the fcps version of educatiolng these non verbal and low verbal kids was to put them in a room by themselves with a laptop they couldn't operate and one aide sitting behind a screen. All of the local news covered this.

Many classes had no in person teachers, just random aides over 18 years old whose only job was to make sure students stayed separate, didn't interact, and worked alone on their computers with headphones on.

The following year was again mostly on computer, with no students allowed to fail anything, and no zeros. Even if students turned in zero assignments on their computers, the lowest score they could receive was 50% which was still a passing grade.

The current high schoolers went through middle school under this computer based "learning" with no failures allowed by FCPS and a 50% guranteed points even if you did zero percdnt of the work, and the younger teens did all their primary education like this on unmonitored computers.

Of course they quickly internalized the idea that school doesn't really matter. Fcps taught them this.

It still wasn't two full years. That is hyperbolic and discredits the argument of anyone who states this.

My kids had some great teachers, even when virtual, who did an outstanding job making virtual learning meaningful and successful. There were a few duds, but the majority were excellent. It definitely helped prepare my kids for online Personal Finance, as well as online World Language in HS (plus online in college).

I had kids in ES, MS, and HS during the pandemic, and I feel all three levels had primarily great teachers, with only a couple duds.

Yes it was. And it was actually more because when schools shut down in March 2020, there wasn’t even school for a month and then there was fake school until the end of that school year. The next school year (2020-2021) was online/hybrid. The following school year (2021-2022) was a complete sh&tshow due to reasons PP stated above. The kids also had to come back masked and eat outdoors or have shorter lunches. Mask mandates were finally lifted by spring 2022. The first “normal” year back was 2022-2023 (no masks required).

That is some disturbingly twisted math.

March 2020 to June 2021 is ONE YEAR (plus three months).

2021-2022 was a normal school year. Mask mandates do not mean kids were not in school.

Are you thick? 2021-2022 was definitely not a normal school year. Everybody was masked and desks were apart. No group work. Kids ate outside or lunch in shifts. The teachers were scared. Zero field trips. Behavior was atrocious. Hardly any learning took place. Many teachers used the previous year’s virtual curriculum. We even had one teacher refuse to use any paper. It was a f&&king disaster.

DP. You're the one who's thick. Covid shutdowns started in March of 2020, so the rest of the 2019-20 school year was online, as was 2020-21 through about late January, when covid shots became available and schools reopened.
2021-22 was a normal school year. Yes, student behaviors were horrible, but it was a normal school year.

Different poster than the one you are arguing with.

School did not reopen during the 2020-21 school year.

What they did was not school

+1 and late January was not for everyone, only select groups.

My daughter’s first day back to the hybrid set up was March 9. Just checked my calendar.

Late January my ass.