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Like was said, it's anti-Jew not anti-zionism. Anti-zionism, by its IHRA definition, includes saying negative things about the state of Israel. Keep the argument to America, Americans, and American history. Stop including the rest of the world. American history has been kind to the Jews when compared to other immigrant groups. Most people in America are not anti-Jew. However, most people have become anti-Israel and the percent is increasing. Americans have become sick of the false outrage and constant paranoia that's whipped up to gain access to billions of American dollars and support for a terrorist state. Anti-semitism no longer holds the same meaning because Israeli agents have bastardized the word. Can the anti-zionist Jews be considered anti-Jewish? No. Can the anti-zionist Jews be considered anti-semitic? According to the ADL, yes. AP: Anti-Defamation League says anger at Israel is now the driving force behind antisemitism in the US "The ADL said in its new report it is “careful to not conflate general criticism of Israel or anti-Israel activism with antisemitism.” But there are gray areas. For example, the ADL contends that vilification of Zionism — the movement to establish and protect a Jewish state in Israel — is a form of antisemitism, yet some Jews are among the critics of Zionism and of the ADL itself." |
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Longterm, this strategy will backfire for younger generations of Americans. You gotta know when to chill. The guy is literally running on pocketbook, local issues, not religious ideology. If he isn't successful in his first term, who do you think gets blamed? The very groups who threw a ridiculous amount of money and fear mongering at the race.
The ADL CEO was on Morning Joe and completely embarrassed himself last week. Even Scarborough called him out a bit. Cringeworthy with the dog whistles. |
One, again, don't tell me what to do. I can say what I want. Two, also, I don't consider you a spokesperson for Americans. Three, as I said earlier, at times, I would argue most times, "Zionist" is used as an anti-Semitic dog whistle. Just because you don't like this being said, doesn't mean its not true or that people will stop declearing this truth. We can go back and forth all night about this. You telling me what not to say, and I saying it anyway. |
+1 thanks to the PP who posted the Substack, very thoughtful piece. People can see and hear with their own eyes and ears. You can't talk about your own safety and expect sympathy when you are basically defaming someone else and undercutting another whole group's sense of safety and belonging. |
Yes, Palestinians in Gaza do not understand this. |
Maybe 10% of the “anti-Zionist” movement would characterize themselves as “pro-Palestine”. Maybe even less than 10%. You just don’t get it. You’ll never get it. |
Yes, as I said, anti-Semitism has been around even before the beginnings of the pro-Palestine movement in the 20th century. So what? A popular opinion doesn't mean it is right. I guess I can say to you "You just don’t get it. You’ll never get it." but there is not point because anyone who disagrees with another person can say that to the other...so it is pointless in communication. |
I think this is the piece you're referring to. It's important to include the many Jewish people, both religious and lay, who have always existed, who have not toed the line, but have been marginalized by academia and not given a platform by MSM. They are both thoughtful and circumspect. The internet has given them a voice. Even as zionist billionaires seek to silence them by purchasing media outlets and social media sites. Yet they are being heard. |
Of course you like the Jews who agree with you and you think they should represent Jews. We all like those who agree with us. As for me, Jews can think for themselves. I don't need to have an opinion on their thoughts. I don't have an agenda for them. |
You seem very opinionated and very invested in this thread for someone who insists you have no dog in the fight. Moreover, going on these white knight soliloquies in defense of war criminals and an ethno-supremacist cult straight outta fantasyland is a really weird kink, but to each his own, I guess. |
A mayor is very different from a governor. |
All special interests groups who have corrupted the politicians of our awful major political parties contradict with the interests of the American people. AIPAC is one of many. |
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Grew up in NYC with my mom & Jewish stepfather of 50 years. He had an English first name for business but in the family he was called by his Yiddish name.
My son went to college in a town in Maine with a large vibrant Somali community. That's where he met my DIL. My son converted to Islam because it was very important to her family, much like I signed off on the Catholic stuff my own in-laws wanted me to accept. We even sent our kids to Catholic schools. Now my first grandchildren are going to be muslim and both my in-laws and my mother have basically said he's dead to them. The anti-religion and race bigotry just blows my mind. |
Well, he did go to Catholic school. Was your son not a practicing Catholic? It is disturbing when practicing, believing, people of any faith convert to another religion for marriage. For Catholics, that is an enormous (existential) sacrifice. In accepting Islam, a convert turns his back on redemption, on the Trinity. It makes me question whether I really knew the convert. |
Would you say the same for a Christian spouse who converts to Judaism? |