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Stop electing politicians who are controlled by groups with interests that conflict with your interests. Think. Do better. |
No sh1T, captain obvious. |
That's the plan. Find your politicians here. https://www.trackaipac.com/ Potential 2028 Presidential Candidates
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Okay you’ve jumped the shark here, bud. I’m not going to vote for cluthu or Count Dracula (or mtg, ffs) solely bc of aipac. But yes, broadly speaking, eff aipac and adl. |
Who said AIPAC contradicts with U.S.'s interests? Just you feverently says it does doesn't mean that is true. |
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I am sympathetic to Jewish hyper-vigilance when it comes to anti-semitism. The Holocaust did occur and it was not too long ago.
That being said--the paranoia over Mamdani of all people does not reflect well. He's a really nice guy. Piling on the nice kid for no good reason takes away from true anti-semitism and causes normal people to question actual Jewish history. You really don't want this. My humble opinion would be to leave Mamdani alone and focus on real issues threatening the security of the Jewish community. Don't piss off sympathetic community members. Jonathan Greenblatt makes money fear mongering. Don't fall into his trap. |
Mamdani is not a "kid". He's a "kid" because he makes an intentional effort to smile a lot (well, he did during the campaign) and he has never really had a real job? Analyzing anti-Semitism, including dog whistles and monomania over Israel, does not cause people to lose their mind and forget history unless they want to. Along the same lines, people who are going to be "pissed off" at Jews are going to be "pissed off" anyway no matter what they do. The whole line of Jews need to stay quiet so they don't make people mad so they won't get hurt is offensive. --non-Jew, black person, who is familiar with the okey doke of bigots |
The point was not to advocate voting for these two people; but to show that anti-zionism has now become a non-partisan issue. If these two, who are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, with different upbringings, education, and religious beliefs, can agree on this, then what kind of person can be against the truth? |
One, anti-semitism is ancient and crosses cultures and various (notice i said various, not all) ideologies--that doesn't mean it is "truth". It just means that it is a sad disease that a lot of people have. I think this argument is illogical because it makes several jumps that are not justified. First, the fact that two people with different politics, backgrounds and beliefs agree on something does not show that the issue is nonpartisan or that their view is true. It is just a tiny sample, so treating it like proof about an entire political spectrum is a classic overgeneralization. Second, the reasoning treats their agreement as if it were evidence of truth in itself, which is basically an appeal to consensus instead of looking at actual reasons or evidence. Third, when it asks “what kind of person can be against the truth,” it quietly assumes that the position in question already is “the truth,” which is exactly what still needs to be shown. That is a form of question begging. Finally, it shifts from discussing the claim to implying that anyone who disagrees must be a bad or irrational kind of person, which is more of an emotional or character attack than a logical argument. |
EXACTLY. Well said. |
For normal people, anti-zionism does no longer equal anti-Jew. The fact that people like you keep equating anti-semitism = anti-zionism = anti-Jew makes your argument specious. Anti-semitism is no longer a word that holds any power for many Americans, unless you're part of the ruling elite that the ADL smearing campaign can still touch. You need to start saying "anti-Jew" or "anti-Jewish" and imply that it means people who hold something against Jewish people who live in America. Then make your arguments. Don't include things like Israel or "the bible says" in your accusations. |
"Anti-semitism is no longer a word that holds any power for many Americans" Of course is does. Anti-semitism has been a cancer throughout world history and continues to this day. "You need to start saying "anti-Jew" or "anti-Jewish" and imply that it means people who hold something against Jewish people who live in America. Then make your arguments." I don't need to do anything you demand I do. Anti-semitism is real and throwing around "zionist" this and that is a often a dog whistle, a substitue for Jew. Don't include things like Israel or "the bible says" in your accusations. I can talk about Israel or the bible if I want (but I didn't in my post). |
The anti-Zionism most Americans are seeing is wholly deserved (based on Israel’s policies and actions, as well as Zionism’s corruption of our political class here in America), so the rest of your word salad is irrelevant. Your attempt to argue that anti-Semitism is rampant and threatens the safety of Jewish people also falls flat. |
Lots of words to say you don't like what I said and you disagree with it. Which is your right. But the pro-Palestine movement is not the new American committee that needs to approve all discourse and action because its has the ear of the far right and left, so not looking for your approval. |
| All religions have faced persecution at different times. Why do Jewish people act like they are the only ones who have ever undergone suffering and persecution. Of course, antisemitism is bad. No one here will disagree with you on that. But let’s take a short break from the constant hyper focus on antisemitism. There are many big issues in the world at the moment. Not just this one |