Will voting out the school board make the school calendar sane again?

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Anonymous wrote:Create your own calendar. What do you remove (25/26 version)? Italicized are federal holidays (plus the two embedded in Winter Break). Total of 39 days.

Labor Day (x2) - dictated by law, unable to be removed
Sept. 9th - special election, teacher workday
Rosh Hashanah
Yom Kippur
Columbus/Indigenous - staff development
Diwali
Nov. 3 - School planning day (end of Q1)
Nov. 4 - Election and teacher workday (end of Q1)
Veteran's Day
Thanksgiving (x3)
Winter Break (x10)
MLK day
Jan. 29 - Staff Development (end of Q2)
Jan. 30 - Teacher Workday (end of Q2)
President's Day
Lunar New Year - Teacher Workday
Eid al-Fitr
Spring Break (x5)
Apr. 6 - Teacher Workday (end of Q3)
Orthodox Good Friday - School Planning Day
Memorial Day
May. 26 - Teacher Workday
May. 27 - Eid al-Adha




We only started having Veteran's Day off two years ago. We should also remove Eid - it's ridiculous to have a holiday that changes a few weeks before the day. We can't plan for it. It should be an excused absence.


They can’t remove Eid. The last year we had school on Eid, it was very dicey in special education with so many IAs and bus drivers out. That’s a liability that the county just can’t tolerate. I was so grateful we made it through that day safely.


There are clearly operational issues with some of the holidays. I've asked this before and didn't receive a response - what do you think that the response would be if only the Eids were off and not Yom Kippur/Rosh Hashahana?


There are absolutely operational issues with some of the religious holidays. But people on here will swear up and down that the reason we have the Jewish holidays and the Muslim holidays and Diwali and Lunar New Year is because there was such a demand for them and isn’t it great that we’re multi-cultural. When really, it’s because they couldn’t get enough IA’s on Eid, but giving just the Eid holidays as days off school but nothing else, would be horrible optics.


There is no evidence of operational issues for ANY of the religious holidays.


There’s literally a post a few pages ago from what sounds like a staff member, possibly an involved parent maybe with a pre-K or K student or a student with special needs. “ They can’t remove Eid. The last year we had school on Eid, it was very dicey in special education with so many IAs and bus drivers out. That’s a liability that the county just can’t tolerate. I was so grateful we made it through that day safely.”

We all know the schools don’t keep careful records. Look at the missing information from the kid’s file in the Abby Zwerner thread. They haven’t had school on Eid in quite some time and I’m sure all the staff absences from that time have been long written over in their systems, so there’s no data to go by.
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Anonymous wrote:Please tell me how to vote to get any improvement to this horrific school calendar that is a complete atrocity to working families and disservice too kids trying to learn. I don’t care if I have to vote blue, red or purple - it just needs to change for next year.


The calendars are planned out for the next three years. Take a look at them now and start planning ahead for childcare. Here are some ideas.

(When I had a school-aged child, my husband and I took turns taking days off. Or we would partner with another family and take turns that way. You're going to need to start working with other families as your kids get older anyway. Having a parent carpool saved us when our daughter was in high school sports and didn't have her license yet. She had to be picked up after school every day.)

1. Community and Local Program Options

Park Authority Day Camps: Fairfax County Park Authority often offers one-day “Schools Out” camps or workshops at recreation centers. These usually run 8:30 a.m.–4:30 p.m. and include sports, crafts, and games.

Local YMCAs or JCCs: Many host “Schools Out” programs with flexible drop-off and pickup times.

STEM or Art Centers: Look for one-day workshops at places like Code Ninjas, iCode, ArtSpace, or local pottery/painting studios.

Sports Clubs: Soccer, basketball, and gymnastics facilities sometimes offer day clinics during school breaks.

2. Parent-Organized Solutions

Childcare Swap: Partner with a few trusted families to rotate childcare duties on teacher workdays. Each parent takes one day off work to host a small group of kids.

Shared Sitter/Nanny Pool: Team up with neighbors to hire one sitter for a group of children—lowering costs and adding built-in playmates.

High School Helpers: Many responsible high school students are available for daytime babysitting on no-school days. Ask through neighborhood groups or school parent chats.

3. Flexible Work Options

Adjust Work Hours: If possible, shift hours earlier or later to accommodate a partial day at home.

Remote Work Day: Some parents coordinate with their managers to work from home when schools close.

Split Schedule with a Partner or Friend: One parent covers the morning, another covers the afternoon—so neither has to take a full day off.


Clearly written by someone not dealing with this.


I dealt with it for seven years from kindergarten to sixth grade, and I dabbled in a little bit of all of these options. It all worked out in the end, and my kid is thriving.


+1, we’ve all dealt with days off. It’s part of being a parent.
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Anonymous wrote:Please tell me how to vote to get any improvement to this horrific school calendar that is a complete atrocity to working families and disservice too kids trying to learn. I don’t care if I have to vote blue, red or purple - it just needs to change for next year.


The calendars are planned out for the next three years. Take a look at them now and start planning ahead for childcare. Here are some ideas.

(When I had a school-aged child, my husband and I took turns taking days off. Or we would partner with another family and take turns that way. You're going to need to start working with other families as your kids get older anyway. Having a parent carpool saved us when our daughter was in high school sports and didn't have her license yet. She had to be picked up after school every day.)

1. Community and Local Program Options

Park Authority Day Camps: Fairfax County Park Authority often offers one-day “Schools Out” camps or workshops at recreation centers. These usually run 8:30 a.m.–4:30 p.m. and include sports, crafts, and games.

Local YMCAs or JCCs: Many host “Schools Out” programs with flexible drop-off and pickup times.

STEM or Art Centers: Look for one-day workshops at places like Code Ninjas, iCode, ArtSpace, or local pottery/painting studios.

Sports Clubs: Soccer, basketball, and gymnastics facilities sometimes offer day clinics during school breaks.

2. Parent-Organized Solutions

Childcare Swap: Partner with a few trusted families to rotate childcare duties on teacher workdays. Each parent takes one day off work to host a small group of kids.

Shared Sitter/Nanny Pool: Team up with neighbors to hire one sitter for a group of children—lowering costs and adding built-in playmates.

High School Helpers: Many responsible high school students are available for daytime babysitting on no-school days. Ask through neighborhood groups or school parent chats.

3. Flexible Work Options

Adjust Work Hours: If possible, shift hours earlier or later to accommodate a partial day at home.

Remote Work Day: Some parents coordinate with their managers to work from home when schools close.

Split Schedule with a Partner or Friend: One parent covers the morning, another covers the afternoon—so neither has to take a full day off.


Clearly written by someone not dealing with this.


I dealt with it for seven years from kindergarten to sixth grade, and I dabbled in a little bit of all of these options. It all worked out in the end, and my kid is thriving.


The people who struggle with this do not have the time to post on DCUM.
They are not suburban moms living a comfortable lifestyle.


LOL. You are complaining and posting on DCUM. Low income families just leave their kids at home alone, been that way for 200 years. That’s the plan - where’s the struggle?
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Anonymous wrote:What's so insane about the school year calendar? I think it's great that we're observing religious holidays beyond the Christian ones.


We don't observe the Christian holidays.

Easter is on a sunday. So it is never observed by FCPS.

Christmas is a federal holdiay, on a week that every industry in our area including most of the federal government shuts down.

Christmas would be off no matter what, for secular reasons.


Spring break is tied to Easter. FCPS has said this. So yes, spring break is absolutely tied to a Christian holiday.

This needs to change, look at the 2027 spring break. MARCH 22-26 with another June 17 last day. This is a big difference to the 2025 calendar which had spring break April 14-18 and the last day on June 11. That is 12 weeks post spring break a full month longer than 2025! In fact the post spring break stretch is even longer than the winter break to spring break stretch! Spring break should be moved a week or two later.


The problem is the end date, not Spring Break.


No, the end date is the same every year, Spring Break swings widely based on when Easter is that year. Spring Break should be the first week of April or the week after quarter end every year like it is in most of the country.


LOL, if the end date was the same every year, then we'd be done in early June. It's been getting further and further into June every year.

Most people like Spring Break the way it is, but starting way earlier and ending way later are a real problem.

Most people DON'T like spring break the way it shifts a few do but MOST DO NOT! Spring break should be secular based ex 1st week of April or post 3rd quarter.
I do agree that starting earlier and ending later is a problem that must be fixed. The school year should end two weeks sooner then it does.


FCPS tried to disconnect Spring Break from Easter a few years ago and it failed horribly. Unless you can get all the school systems to play along, it simply won't happen.


It failed because of teachers who are also parents. I agree, we should get the surrounding school districts to agree upon a week. I am sure if they planned a few years ahead, they would all agree to it.


Why would multiple districts change their calendars because FCPS asked them?
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Anonymous wrote:Create your own calendar. What do you remove (25/26 version)? Italicized are federal holidays (plus the two embedded in Winter Break). Total of 39 days.

Labor Day (x2) - dictated by law, unable to be removed
Sept. 9th - special election, teacher workday
Rosh Hashanah
Yom Kippur
Columbus/Indigenous - staff development
Diwali
Nov. 3 - School planning day (end of Q1)
Nov. 4 - Election and teacher workday (end of Q1)
Veteran's Day
Thanksgiving (x3)
Winter Break (x10)
MLK day
Jan. 29 - Staff Development (end of Q2)
Jan. 30 - Teacher Workday (end of Q2)
President's Day
Lunar New Year - Teacher Workday
Eid al-Fitr
Spring Break (x5)
Apr. 6 - Teacher Workday (end of Q3)
Orthodox Good Friday - School Planning Day
Memorial Day
May. 26 - Teacher Workday
May. 27 - Eid al-Adha



I'd remove all staff/teacher workdays and religous holidays and there you go, you have the school calendar for most north eastern school districts at around 25 days!


They won’t remove teacher workdays, it’ll never happen.
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Anonymous wrote:Please tell me how to vote to get any improvement to this horrific school calendar that is a complete atrocity to working families and disservice too kids trying to learn. I don’t care if I have to vote blue, red or purple - it just needs to change for next year.


The calendars are planned out for the next three years. Take a look at them now and start planning ahead for childcare. Here are some ideas.

(When I had a school-aged child, my husband and I took turns taking days off. Or we would partner with another family and take turns that way. You're going to need to start working with other families as your kids get older anyway. Having a parent carpool saved us when our daughter was in high school sports and didn't have her license yet. She had to be picked up after school every day.)

1. Community and Local Program Options

Park Authority Day Camps: Fairfax County Park Authority often offers one-day “Schools Out” camps or workshops at recreation centers. These usually run 8:30 a.m.–4:30 p.m. and include sports, crafts, and games.

Local YMCAs or JCCs: Many host “Schools Out” programs with flexible drop-off and pickup times.

STEM or Art Centers: Look for one-day workshops at places like Code Ninjas, iCode, ArtSpace, or local pottery/painting studios.

Sports Clubs: Soccer, basketball, and gymnastics facilities sometimes offer day clinics during school breaks.

2. Parent-Organized Solutions

Childcare Swap: Partner with a few trusted families to rotate childcare duties on teacher workdays. Each parent takes one day off work to host a small group of kids.

Shared Sitter/Nanny Pool: Team up with neighbors to hire one sitter for a group of children—lowering costs and adding built-in playmates.

High School Helpers: Many responsible high school students are available for daytime babysitting on no-school days. Ask through neighborhood groups or school parent chats.

3. Flexible Work Options

Adjust Work Hours: If possible, shift hours earlier or later to accommodate a partial day at home.

Remote Work Day: Some parents coordinate with their managers to work from home when schools close.

Split Schedule with a Partner or Friend: One parent covers the morning, another covers the afternoon—so neither has to take a full day off.


Clearly written by someone not dealing with this.


I dealt with it for seven years from kindergarten to sixth grade, and I dabbled in a little bit of all of these options. It all worked out in the end, and my kid is thriving.


The people who struggle with this do not have the time to post on DCUM.
They are not suburban moms living a comfortable lifestyle.


LOL. You are complaining and posting on DCUM. Low income families just leave their kids at home alone, been that way for 200 years. That’s the plan - where’s the struggle?


Dp. Kids alone all day on a device is a whole different problem.
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Anonymous wrote:The calendars are a disgrace because they’re not pedagogically supported— it’s 100% about the adults (teachers clamoring for more time off, board members clamoring for THEIR religious holidays) and not about the students or families public institutions should serve. The hypocrisy of combining a calendar like this with the constant harping about attendance is nauseating— FCPS doesn’t want kids in school, but they really want to scold.

So my calendar of preference: no religious holidays, even Christmas, are school-wide closures. There is a week long winter break at New Year which may or may not include Christmas depending on the way the calendar falls.

BUT any absence for religious observance is excused. No one is penalized for being out, for example, Christmas Eve or Diwali.

Teacher work days are on less important Federal holidays (no a teacher shouldn’t have to work Labor Day but Columbus Day seems fair) or Election Day.


I’m a retired ES teacher, now substitute and I don’t hear this. The number of contracted days has stayed the same and teachers don’t like the choppy schedule.


Maybe its just on DCUM where they insist they can’t grade on time or do any normal-job responsibilities without endlessly keeping kids out of the classroom?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's not about the calendar. Complaining about the school calendar seems “non-political” on the surface, but it provides a way to voice broader discontent with the school board’s values or priorities. It’s easier to rally people around something tangible, like too many days off, than around abstract policy disagreements.

That's why this discussion will never end. Concerns about childcare challenges (despite many available solutions), the impact on student learning (FCPS consistently ranks among the top school systems in the country), or the length of summer break (too short for what, exactly?) will never be satisfied. Because it's not about the calendar. It’s a means to rally support for a different school board.

So just say what you mean so that we can have a proper discussion.


Oh yes? Share the “many” taxpayer funded, age and developmentally appropriate childcare options available for one-off days.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Please tell me how to vote to get any improvement to this horrific school calendar that is a complete atrocity to working families and disservice too kids trying to learn. I don’t care if I have to vote blue, red or purple - it just needs to change for next year.


The calendars are planned out for the next three years. Take a look at them now and start planning ahead for childcare. Here are some ideas.

(When I had a school-aged child, my husband and I took turns taking days off. Or we would partner with another family and take turns that way. You're going to need to start working with other families as your kids get older anyway. Having a parent carpool saved us when our daughter was in high school sports and didn't have her license yet. She had to be picked up after school every day.)

1. Community and Local Program Options

Park Authority Day Camps: Fairfax County Park Authority often offers one-day “Schools Out” camps or workshops at recreation centers. These usually run 8:30 a.m.–4:30 p.m. and include sports, crafts, and games.

Local YMCAs or JCCs: Many host “Schools Out” programs with flexible drop-off and pickup times.

STEM or Art Centers: Look for one-day workshops at places like Code Ninjas, iCode, ArtSpace, or local pottery/painting studios.

Sports Clubs: Soccer, basketball, and gymnastics facilities sometimes offer day clinics during school breaks.

2. Parent-Organized Solutions

Childcare Swap: Partner with a few trusted families to rotate childcare duties on teacher workdays. Each parent takes one day off work to host a small group of kids.

Shared Sitter/Nanny Pool: Team up with neighbors to hire one sitter for a group of children—lowering costs and adding built-in playmates.

High School Helpers: Many responsible high school students are available for daytime babysitting on no-school days. Ask through neighborhood groups or school parent chats.

3. Flexible Work Options

Adjust Work Hours: If possible, shift hours earlier or later to accommodate a partial day at home.

Remote Work Day: Some parents coordinate with their managers to work from home when schools close.

Split Schedule with a Partner or Friend: One parent covers the morning, another covers the afternoon—so neither has to take a full day off.


Clearly written by someone not dealing with this.


I dealt with it for seven years from kindergarten to sixth grade, and I dabbled in a little bit of all of these options. It all worked out in the end, and my kid is thriving.


The people who struggle with this do not have the time to post on DCUM.
They are not suburban moms living a comfortable lifestyle.


LOL. You are complaining and posting on DCUM. Low income families just leave their kids at home alone, been that way for 200 years. That’s the plan - where’s the struggle?
Even high income families leave the kids alone all day. It is what it is. It’s generally 6 hours alone.
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Anonymous wrote:It's not about the calendar. Complaining about the school calendar seems “non-political” on the surface, but it provides a way to voice broader discontent with the school board’s values or priorities. It’s easier to rally people around something tangible, like too many days off, than around abstract policy disagreements.

That's why this discussion will never end. Concerns about childcare challenges (despite many available solutions), the impact on student learning (FCPS consistently ranks among the top school systems in the country), or the length of summer break (too short for what, exactly?) will never be satisfied. Because it's not about the calendar. It’s a means to rally support for a different school board.

So just say what you mean so that we can have a proper discussion.


Oh yes? Share the “many” taxpayer funded, age and developmentally appropriate childcare options available for one-off days.


There are actually quite a few options, though availability can vary by age and location. Many of them were posted earlier in the thread. For one-off school holidays, families often use:

Fairfax County Park Authority “Schools Out” day camps at local recreation centers, which run 8:30 a.m.–4:30 p.m. for elementary-aged children. These taxpayer-funded through the county’s park system

Local RECenter programs and YMCA camps that offer day programs aligned with FCPS holidays. RECenters are county-operated facilities funded by taxes, though some program fees may apply.

Private enrichment programs like Mad Science, Bricks 4 Kidz, ArtSpace, and STEM or sports camps that run single-day sessions.

School- or PTA-organized programs at some elementary schools for early release or teacher workdays.

These are all taxpayer-supported or community-based programs designed to be age-appropriate and structured, and many families in Fairfax use them regularly for occasional school closures. Hope they help you manage the one-off school closures like they've helped me.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's not about the calendar. Complaining about the school calendar seems “non-political” on the surface, but it provides a way to voice broader discontent with the school board’s values or priorities. It’s easier to rally people around something tangible, like too many days off, than around abstract policy disagreements.

That's why this discussion will never end. Concerns about childcare challenges (despite many available solutions), the impact on student learning (FCPS consistently ranks among the top school systems in the country), or the length of summer break (too short for what, exactly?) will never be satisfied. Because it's not about the calendar. It’s a means to rally support for a different school board.

So just say what you mean so that we can have a proper discussion.


Oh yes? Share the “many” taxpayer funded, age and developmentally appropriate childcare options available for one-off days.


There are actually quite a few options, though availability can vary by age and location. Many of them were posted earlier in the thread. For one-off school holidays, families often use:

Fairfax County Park Authority “Schools Out” day camps at local recreation centers, which run 8:30 a.m.–4:30 p.m. for elementary-aged children. These taxpayer-funded through the county’s park system

Local RECenter programs and YMCA camps that offer day programs aligned with FCPS holidays. RECenters are county-operated facilities funded by taxes, though some program fees may apply.

Private enrichment programs like Mad Science, Bricks 4 Kidz, ArtSpace, and STEM or sports camps that run single-day sessions.

School- or PTA-organized programs at some elementary schools for early release or teacher workdays.

These are all taxpayer-supported or community-based programs designed to be age-appropriate and structured, and many families in Fairfax use them regularly for occasional school closures. Hope they help you manage the one-off school closures like they've helped me.


None of what you've listed provides transportation, support for children with special needs, or before/aftercare. Fairfax expects September birthdays to start kindergarten at four which most Rec center classes don’t accept, so early days off like 9/9 are just SOL.

Yes— there are plenty of options for parents who have unlimited money and time. If FCPS wants to underscore their commitment to being a school district out of touch with those constituents that do not, they will continue as they are.
Anonymous
Look, bottom line, as another person put it, is that this isn't about the calendar or about the lack of available childcare options, or about kids' education being jeopardized or about summer being too short. This is about the school board makeup not being what they want it to be, or "too woke," as they put it. I, for one, am glad that the current school board is considerate of all Fairfax County populations. I want my kid to grow up knowing that being kind is a good thing. It's not a weakness, and this is not a zero sum game. We can all benefit, but we all have to compromise.
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Anonymous wrote:Look, bottom line, as another person put it, is that this isn't about the calendar or about the lack of available childcare options, or about kids' education being jeopardized or about summer being too short. This is about the school board makeup not being what they want it to be, or "too woke," as they put it. I, for one, am glad that the current school board is considerate of all Fairfax County populations. I want my kid to grow up knowing that being kind is a good thing. It's not a weakness, and this is not a zero sum game. We can all benefit, but we all have to compromise.


Sorry to burst this bubble but its absolutely about the lack of good options for childcare for this many days off, made worse by the profound disrespect demonstrated by spending parents time and money for them, like every FCPS parent can (or should!) swan out of work at 4pm and fork over $200/per day just to make sure the schools we are already paying for are empty.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's not about the calendar. Complaining about the school calendar seems “non-political” on the surface, but it provides a way to voice broader discontent with the school board’s values or priorities. It’s easier to rally people around something tangible, like too many days off, than around abstract policy disagreements.

That's why this discussion will never end. Concerns about childcare challenges (despite many available solutions), the impact on student learning (FCPS consistently ranks among the top school systems in the country), or the length of summer break (too short for what, exactly?) will never be satisfied. Because it's not about the calendar. It’s a means to rally support for a different school board.

So just say what you mean so that we can have a proper discussion.


Oh yes? Share the “many” taxpayer funded, age and developmentally appropriate childcare options available for one-off days.


There are actually quite a few options, though availability can vary by age and location. Many of them were posted earlier in the thread. For one-off school holidays, families often use:

Fairfax County Park Authority “Schools Out” day camps at local recreation centers, which run 8:30 a.m.–4:30 p.m. for elementary-aged children. These taxpayer-funded through the county’s park system

Local RECenter programs and YMCA camps that offer day programs aligned with FCPS holidays. RECenters are county-operated facilities funded by taxes, though some program fees may apply.

Private enrichment programs like Mad Science, Bricks 4 Kidz, ArtSpace, and STEM or sports camps that run single-day sessions.

School- or PTA-organized programs at some elementary schools for early release or teacher workdays.

These are all taxpayer-supported or community-based programs designed to be age-appropriate and structured, and many families in Fairfax use them regularly for occasional school closures. Hope they help you manage the one-off school closures like they've helped me.


None of what you've listed provides transportation, support for children with special needs, or before/aftercare. Fairfax expects September birthdays to start kindergarten at four which most Rec center classes don’t accept, so early days off like 9/9 are just SOL.

Yes— there are plenty of options for parents who have unlimited money and time. If FCPS wants to underscore their commitment to being a school district out of touch with those constituents that do not, they will continue as they are.


There are some options with sliding fees or scholarships for low-income families, and some schools or PTAs run parent co-ops or volunteer-led programs to help fill gaps. It’s not a complete solution, but it shows there are ways to get support without unlimited money. Reach out to some of the other working parents in your neighborhood. I'll bet they're running into some of the same challenges and would be willing to together come up with some solutions like a shared high school babysitter or taking turns with a group of kids so that you're all sharing the load. This is what our family does with other parents in our neighborhood and adjacent neighborhoods. It takes some coordination over group texts, but it's a huge help to everyone.
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Anonymous wrote:Look, bottom line, as another person put it, is that this isn't about the calendar or about the lack of available childcare options, or about kids' education being jeopardized or about summer being too short. This is about the school board makeup not being what they want it to be, or "too woke," as they put it. I, for one, am glad that the current school board is considerate of all Fairfax County populations. I want my kid to grow up knowing that being kind is a good thing. It's not a weakness, and this is not a zero sum game. We can all benefit, but we all have to compromise.


Sorry to burst this bubble but its absolutely about the lack of good options for childcare for this many days off, made worse by the profound disrespect demonstrated by spending parents time and money for them, like every FCPS parent can (or should!) swan out of work at 4pm and fork over $200/per day just to make sure the schools we are already paying for are empty.


Why are you on this discussion board and not working right now?
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