Is Einstein getting totally screwed in the boundary and program study proposals?

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Anonymous wrote:They should have the same strong offerings at every school. Having speciality programs at different schools is silly if students don’t get school choose and each school doesn’t have equal strong offerings. Taylor and the BOE clearly ditched equity and student needs. How many kids want a teacher academy. They reduced the current program a few years ago. How about a poll asking parents, teachers and students what they want at these schools. People are going to bail from Einstein if they can and either move or go private. It and Kennedy will be the weak links.

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The DCC is what keeps wealthier kids in public schools. DH and I have just discussed upping our 529 contributions so we can afford private if need be.

Having a standardized base of strong offerings at all schools is part of the plan. Funny how most people are not asking questions or focused on that piece.

We don't buy it because MCPS has caveated it with saying they will offer courses "if there is interest" which is a circular way of saying they won't actually offer that strong base or will have it be virtual in the lower income schools, which will lead wealthy families to flee public schools.

The more comfortable families will leave Einstein and the FARM rate will likely rise. The school gained students for its VAPA program, but many academically strong students now choose magnets or lottery into Blair or Wheaton due to Einstein's limited advanced course offerings. The principal claims there's no demand for higher-level classes, but demand is low because the classes aren't offered. Students are often pushed through AB, BC, then Stats, with no alternatives. MCPS offers no virtual high school math options and has no plans to. Students are left with three choices: take what is available, drive their kids to another school, or to Montgomery College for the classes they need. There is no excuse for MCPS not providing enough math to meet graduation requirements. The minimum at each school should be MVC as then students can take Statistics after MVC if they need an extra math class.

DP - I think you’re overstating how many families will leave Einstein (and how many inbounds kids currently choose Blair or Wheaton). There are a lot of highly educated parents here (e.g., Feds and academics with PhDs) who don’t necessarily have the money to shell out for private nor to move. And a lot of us who are willing to work to improve our school, inasmuch as it needs improving. I don’t love the proposed changes, but they’re not untenable with some modifications along the lines of what people have proposed.

If MVC is the minimum, most high schools shouldn’t go much farther than that. It’s *high school*. We’d be better served by pushing the BOE hard on offering robust programs at all schools, i.e., increasing parity, than arguing for super advanced classes.

There are a bunch of $1 million+ houses being sold in the Einstein area. If MCPS isn't offering a decent set of courses for smart (but not "gifted") college bound kids, some of those students will certainly leave the system. Not all of them, but it creates a vicious cycle.

Many of the rebuilds are going for 1-2 million. Minimum house now is $550-600K for a 800 square foot one level fixer upper.

Many of the kids go to Blair or Wheaton who are more advanced.

But without the DCC they don't have a choice of Blair. What is my STEM talented but not magnet talented kid supposed to go? If we were in an other HS district she would get more choice. Why is her educational opportunity curtailed because I can't afford a $1.5M house elsewhere.

Won't all high schools be required to offer AP Bio, Chem, Phys and AP Calc BC and Stats?

Jesus. You really don't understand, do you? Most stem oriented kids today want to go beyond BC Calc in HS. They want to take MVC, which Einstein does not offer, whereas other MCPS schools do.

We made the mistake of sending our STEM-oriented older child to Einstein inbounds. The math and science SUCKED. He has struggled in college trying to major in a STEM subject.

Based on that we knew to send our younger son to Wheaton. He did not get into the magnet engineering program, but thanks to the Wheaton engineering academy, he was able to take multivariable calculus, six engineering courses, etc., with the teachers who also taught in the magnet and who were fantastic teachers.

Compare that to my kid at Einstein, who had the same terrible math teacher for a year and a half, was only able to take BC Calc senior year AND was stuck with NO TEACHER for the first couple months of Calculus. They had to teach themselves from PPT! It was absurd.

Thanks god we were able to send our younger kid to Wheaton.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have the same strong offerings at every school. Having speciality programs at different schools is silly if students don’t get school choose and each school doesn’t have equal strong offerings. Taylor and the BOE clearly ditched equity and student needs. How many kids want a teacher academy. They reduced the current program a few years ago. How about a poll asking parents, teachers and students what they want at these schools. People are going to bail from Einstein if they can and either move or go private. It and Kennedy will be the weak links.

+1

The DCC is what keeps wealthier kids in public schools. DH and I have just discussed upping our 529 contributions so we can afford private if need be.

Having a standardized base of strong offerings at all schools is part of the plan. Funny how most people are not asking questions or focused on that piece.

We don't buy it because MCPS has caveated it with saying they will offer courses "if there is interest" which is a circular way of saying they won't actually offer that strong base or will have it be virtual in the lower income schools, which will lead wealthy families to flee public schools.

The more comfortable families will leave Einstein and the FARM rate will likely rise. The school gained students for its VAPA program, but many academically strong students now choose magnets or lottery into Blair or Wheaton due to Einstein's limited advanced course offerings. The principal claims there's no demand for higher-level classes, but demand is low because the classes aren't offered. Students are often pushed through AB, BC, then Stats, with no alternatives. MCPS offers no virtual high school math options and has no plans to. Students are left with three choices: take what is available, drive their kids to another school, or to Montgomery College for the classes they need. There is no excuse for MCPS not providing enough math to meet graduation requirements. The minimum at each school should be MVC as then students can take Statistics after MVC if they need an extra math class.

DP - I think you’re overstating how many families will leave Einstein (and how many inbounds kids currently choose Blair or Wheaton). There are a lot of highly educated parents here (e.g., Feds and academics with PhDs) who don’t necessarily have the money to shell out for private nor to move. And a lot of us who are willing to work to improve our school, inasmuch as it needs improving. I don’t love the proposed changes, but they’re not untenable with some modifications along the lines of what people have proposed.

If MVC is the minimum, most high schools shouldn’t go much farther than that. It’s *high school*. We’d be better served by pushing the BOE hard on offering robust programs at all schools, i.e., increasing parity, than arguing for super advanced classes.

There are a bunch of $1 million+ houses being sold in the Einstein area. If MCPS isn't offering a decent set of courses for smart (but not "gifted") college bound kids, some of those students will certainly leave the system. Not all of them, but it creates a vicious cycle.

Many of the rebuilds are going for 1-2 million. Minimum house now is $550-600K for a 800 square foot one level fixer upper.

Many of the kids go to Blair or Wheaton who are more advanced.

But without the DCC they don't have a choice of Blair. What is my STEM talented but not magnet talented kid supposed to go? If we were in an other HS district she would get more choice. Why is her educational opportunity curtailed because I can't afford a $1.5M house elsewhere.

Won't all high schools be required to offer AP Bio, Chem, Phys and AP Calc BC and Stats?

I believe the slide said either AP or IB.

Yes, this is from the June BOE meeting, recommending baseline courses to be at all high schools:

Advanced Placement (or IB) Courses

Math
● Pre-Calculus, Calculus AB, Calculus BC, Statistics

English
● English 10 AP Seminar, Language and Literature,
English Literature

Science
● Biology, Chemistry, Physics

Social Studies
● Government, U.S. History, World History, Psychology,
Human Geography

World Languages
● Spanish, French

Technology
● Computer Science Principles, Computer Science
Java Arts
● 1–2 minimum based on student interest

W's have much more course offerings than this list already. How to address the inequity for the additional "optional" courses that are already exist in some HSs, while others can't even offer the bare minimum from this list?

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Anonymous wrote:They should have the same strong offerings at every school. Having speciality programs at different schools is silly if students don’t get school choose and each school doesn’t have equal strong offerings. Taylor and the BOE clearly ditched equity and student needs. How many kids want a teacher academy. They reduced the current program a few years ago. How about a poll asking parents, teachers and students what they want at these schools. People are going to bail from Einstein if they can and either move or go private. It and Kennedy will be the weak links.

+1

The DCC is what keeps wealthier kids in public schools. DH and I have just discussed upping our 529 contributions so we can afford private if need be.

Having a standardized base of strong offerings at all schools is part of the plan. Funny how most people are not asking questions or focused on that piece.

We don't buy it because MCPS has caveated it with saying they will offer courses "if there is interest" which is a circular way of saying they won't actually offer that strong base or will have it be virtual in the lower income schools, which will lead wealthy families to flee public schools.

The more comfortable families will leave Einstein and the FARM rate will likely rise. The school gained students for its VAPA program, but many academically strong students now choose magnets or lottery into Blair or Wheaton due to Einstein's limited advanced course offerings. The principal claims there's no demand for higher-level classes, but demand is low because the classes aren't offered. Students are often pushed through AB, BC, then Stats, with no alternatives. MCPS offers no virtual high school math options and has no plans to. Students are left with three choices: take what is available, drive their kids to another school, or to Montgomery College for the classes they need. There is no excuse for MCPS not providing enough math to meet graduation requirements. The minimum at each school should be MVC as then students can take Statistics after MVC if they need an extra math class.

DP - I think you’re overstating how many families will leave Einstein (and how many inbounds kids currently choose Blair or Wheaton). There are a lot of highly educated parents here (e.g., Feds and academics with PhDs) who don’t necessarily have the money to shell out for private nor to move. And a lot of us who are willing to work to improve our school, inasmuch as it needs improving. I don’t love the proposed changes, but they’re not untenable with some modifications along the lines of what people have proposed.

If MVC is the minimum, most high schools shouldn’t go much farther than that. It’s *high school*. We’d be better served by pushing the BOE hard on offering robust programs at all schools, i.e., increasing parity, than arguing for super advanced classes.

There are a bunch of $1 million+ houses being sold in the Einstein area. If MCPS isn't offering a decent set of courses for smart (but not "gifted") college bound kids, some of those students will certainly leave the system. Not all of them, but it creates a vicious cycle.

Many of the rebuilds are going for 1-2 million. Minimum house now is $550-600K for a 800 square foot one level fixer upper.

Many of the kids go to Blair or Wheaton who are more advanced.

But without the DCC they don't have a choice of Blair. What is my STEM talented but not magnet talented kid supposed to go? If we were in an other HS district she would get more choice. Why is her educational opportunity curtailed because I can't afford a $1.5M house elsewhere.

Won't all high schools be required to offer AP Bio, Chem, Phys and AP Calc BC and Stats?

Jesus. You really don't understand, do you? Most stem oriented kids today want to go beyond BC Calc in HS. They want to take MVC, which Einstein does not offer, whereas other MCPS schools do.

We made the mistake of sending our STEM-oriented older child to Einstein inbounds. The math and science SUCKED. He has struggled in college trying to major in a STEM subject.

Based on that we knew to send our younger son to Wheaton. He did not get into the magnet engineering program, but thanks to the Wheaton engineering academy, he was able to take multivariable calculus, six engineering courses, etc., with the teachers who also taught in the magnet and who were fantastic teachers.

Compare that to my kid at Einstein, who had the same terrible math teacher for a year and a half, was only able to take BC Calc senior year AND was stuck with NO TEACHER for the first couple months of Calculus. They had to teach themselves from PPT! It was absurd.

Thanks god we were able to send our younger kid to Wheaton.

If they don’t have high school kids or care about stem they don’t know. Most kids only do Calc. Wheaton is a much stronger school. We have kids at both.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have the same strong offerings at every school. Having speciality programs at different schools is silly if students don’t get school choose and each school doesn’t have equal strong offerings. Taylor and the BOE clearly ditched equity and student needs. How many kids want a teacher academy. They reduced the current program a few years ago. How about a poll asking parents, teachers and students what they want at these schools. People are going to bail from Einstein if they can and either move or go private. It and Kennedy will be the weak links.

+1

The DCC is what keeps wealthier kids in public schools. DH and I have just discussed upping our 529 contributions so we can afford private if need be.

Having a standardized base of strong offerings at all schools is part of the plan. Funny how most people are not asking questions or focused on that piece.

We don't buy it because MCPS has caveated it with saying they will offer courses "if there is interest" which is a circular way of saying they won't actually offer that strong base or will have it be virtual in the lower income schools, which will lead wealthy families to flee public schools.

The more comfortable families will leave Einstein and the FARM rate will likely rise. The school gained students for its VAPA program, but many academically strong students now choose magnets or lottery into Blair or Wheaton due to Einstein's limited advanced course offerings. The principal claims there's no demand for higher-level classes, but demand is low because the classes aren't offered. Students are often pushed through AB, BC, then Stats, with no alternatives. MCPS offers no virtual high school math options and has no plans to. Students are left with three choices: take what is available, drive their kids to another school, or to Montgomery College for the classes they need. There is no excuse for MCPS not providing enough math to meet graduation requirements. The minimum at each school should be MVC as then students can take Statistics after MVC if they need an extra math class.

DP - I think you’re overstating how many families will leave Einstein (and how many inbounds kids currently choose Blair or Wheaton). There are a lot of highly educated parents here (e.g., Feds and academics with PhDs) who don’t necessarily have the money to shell out for private nor to move. And a lot of us who are willing to work to improve our school, inasmuch as it needs improving. I don’t love the proposed changes, but they’re not untenable with some modifications along the lines of what people have proposed.

If MVC is the minimum, most high schools shouldn’t go much farther than that. It’s *high school*. We’d be better served by pushing the BOE hard on offering robust programs at all schools, i.e., increasing parity, than arguing for super advanced classes.

There are a bunch of $1 million+ houses being sold in the Einstein area. If MCPS isn't offering a decent set of courses for smart (but not "gifted") college bound kids, some of those students will certainly leave the system. Not all of them, but it creates a vicious cycle.

Many of the rebuilds are going for 1-2 million. Minimum house now is $550-600K for a 800 square foot one level fixer upper.

Many of the kids go to Blair or Wheaton who are more advanced.

But without the DCC they don't have a choice of Blair. What is my STEM talented but not magnet talented kid supposed to go? If we were in an other HS district she would get more choice. Why is her educational opportunity curtailed because I can't afford a $1.5M house elsewhere.

The same thing as the rest of ours.., they go to Einstein and go without or you move or cosa.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have the same strong offerings at every school. Having speciality programs at different schools is silly if students don’t get school choose and each school doesn’t have equal strong offerings. Taylor and the BOE clearly ditched equity and student needs. How many kids want a teacher academy. They reduced the current program a few years ago. How about a poll asking parents, teachers and students what they want at these schools. People are going to bail from Einstein if they can and either move or go private. It and Kennedy will be the weak links.

+1

The DCC is what keeps wealthier kids in public schools. DH and I have just discussed upping our 529 contributions so we can afford private if need be.

Having a standardized base of strong offerings at all schools is part of the plan. Funny how most people are not asking questions or focused on that piece.

We don't buy it because MCPS has caveated it with saying they will offer courses "if there is interest" which is a circular way of saying they won't actually offer that strong base or will have it be virtual in the lower income schools, which will lead wealthy families to flee public schools.

The more comfortable families will leave Einstein and the FARM rate will likely rise. The school gained students for its VAPA program, but many academically strong students now choose magnets or lottery into Blair or Wheaton due to Einstein's limited advanced course offerings. The principal claims there's no demand for higher-level classes, but demand is low because the classes aren't offered. Students are often pushed through AB, BC, then Stats, with no alternatives. MCPS offers no virtual high school math options and has no plans to. Students are left with three choices: take what is available, drive their kids to another school, or to Montgomery College for the classes they need. There is no excuse for MCPS not providing enough math to meet graduation requirements. The minimum at each school should be MVC as then students can take Statistics after MVC if they need an extra math class.

DP - I think you’re overstating how many families will leave Einstein (and how many inbounds kids currently choose Blair or Wheaton). There are a lot of highly educated parents here (e.g., Feds and academics with PhDs) who don’t necessarily have the money to shell out for private nor to move. And a lot of us who are willing to work to improve our school, inasmuch as it needs improving. I don’t love the proposed changes, but they’re not untenable with some modifications along the lines of what people have proposed.

If MVC is the minimum, most high schools shouldn’t go much farther than that. It’s *high school*. We’d be better served by pushing the BOE hard on offering robust programs at all schools, i.e., increasing parity, than arguing for super advanced classes.

There are a bunch of $1 million+ houses being sold in the Einstein area. If MCPS isn't offering a decent set of courses for smart (but not "gifted") college bound kids, some of those students will certainly leave the system. Not all of them, but it creates a vicious cycle.

Many of the rebuilds are going for 1-2 million. Minimum house now is $550-600K for a 800 square foot one level fixer upper.

Many of the kids go to Blair or Wheaton who are more advanced.

But without the DCC they don't have a choice of Blair. What is my STEM talented but not magnet talented kid supposed to go? If we were in an other HS district she would get more choice. Why is her educational opportunity curtailed because I can't afford a $1.5M house elsewhere.

Won't all high schools be required to offer AP Bio, Chem, Phys and AP Calc BC and Stats?

Ap science, no.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have the same strong offerings at every school. Having speciality programs at different schools is silly if students don’t get school choose and each school doesn’t have equal strong offerings. Taylor and the BOE clearly ditched equity and student needs. How many kids want a teacher academy. They reduced the current program a few years ago. How about a poll asking parents, teachers and students what they want at these schools. People are going to bail from Einstein if they can and either move or go private. It and Kennedy will be the weak links.

+1

The DCC is what keeps wealthier kids in public schools. DH and I have just discussed upping our 529 contributions so we can afford private if need be.

Having a standardized base of strong offerings at all schools is part of the plan. Funny how most people are not asking questions or focused on that piece.

We don't buy it because MCPS has caveated it with saying they will offer courses "if there is interest" which is a circular way of saying they won't actually offer that strong base or will have it be virtual in the lower income schools, which will lead wealthy families to flee public schools.

The more comfortable families will leave Einstein and the FARM rate will likely rise. The school gained students for its VAPA program, but many academically strong students now choose magnets or lottery into Blair or Wheaton due to Einstein's limited advanced course offerings. The principal claims there's no demand for higher-level classes, but demand is low because the classes aren't offered. Students are often pushed through AB, BC, then Stats, with no alternatives. MCPS offers no virtual high school math options and has no plans to. Students are left with three choices: take what is available, drive their kids to another school, or to Montgomery College for the classes they need. There is no excuse for MCPS not providing enough math to meet graduation requirements. The minimum at each school should be MVC as then students can take Statistics after MVC if they need an extra math class.

DP - I think you’re overstating how many families will leave Einstein (and how many inbounds kids currently choose Blair or Wheaton). There are a lot of highly educated parents here (e.g., Feds and academics with PhDs) who don’t necessarily have the money to shell out for private nor to move. And a lot of us who are willing to work to improve our school, inasmuch as it needs improving. I don’t love the proposed changes, but they’re not untenable with some modifications along the lines of what people have proposed.

If MVC is the minimum, most high schools shouldn’t go much farther than that. It’s *high school*. We’d be better served by pushing the BOE hard on offering robust programs at all schools, i.e., increasing parity, than arguing for super advanced classes.

There are a bunch of $1 million+ houses being sold in the Einstein area. If MCPS isn't offering a decent set of courses for smart (but not "gifted") college bound kids, some of those students will certainly leave the system. Not all of them, but it creates a vicious cycle.

Many of the rebuilds are going for 1-2 million. Minimum house now is $550-600K for a 800 square foot one level fixer upper.

Many of the kids go to Blair or Wheaton who are more advanced.

But without the DCC they don't have a choice of Blair. What is my STEM talented but not magnet talented kid supposed to go? If we were in an other HS district she would get more choice. Why is her educational opportunity curtailed because I can't afford a $1.5M house elsewhere.

Won't all high schools be required to offer AP Bio, Chem, Phys and AP Calc BC and Stats?

Not a chance. There are not enough qualified teachers available for hire, especially for advanced STEM classes.

Yes there are or have teachers split time at two schools.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have the same strong offerings at every school. Having speciality programs at different schools is silly if students don’t get school choose and each school doesn’t have equal strong offerings. Taylor and the BOE clearly ditched equity and student needs. How many kids want a teacher academy. They reduced the current program a few years ago. How about a poll asking parents, teachers and students what they want at these schools. People are going to bail from Einstein if they can and either move or go private. It and Kennedy will be the weak links.

+1

The DCC is what keeps wealthier kids in public schools. DH and I have just discussed upping our 529 contributions so we can afford private if need be.

Having a standardized base of strong offerings at all schools is part of the plan. Funny how most people are not asking questions or focused on that piece.

We don't buy it because MCPS has caveated it with saying they will offer courses "if there is interest" which is a circular way of saying they won't actually offer that strong base or will have it be virtual in the lower income schools, which will lead wealthy families to flee public schools.

The more comfortable families will leave Einstein and the FARM rate will likely rise. The school gained students for its VAPA program, but many academically strong students now choose magnets or lottery into Blair or Wheaton due to Einstein's limited advanced course offerings. The principal claims there's no demand for higher-level classes, but demand is low because the classes aren't offered. Students are often pushed through AB, BC, then Stats, with no alternatives. MCPS offers no virtual high school math options and has no plans to. Students are left with three choices: take what is available, drive their kids to another school, or to Montgomery College for the classes they need. There is no excuse for MCPS not providing enough math to meet graduation requirements. The minimum at each school should be MVC as then students can take Statistics after MVC if they need an extra math class.

DP - I think you’re overstating how many families will leave Einstein (and how many inbounds kids currently choose Blair or Wheaton). There are a lot of highly educated parents here (e.g., Feds and academics with PhDs) who don’t necessarily have the money to shell out for private nor to move. And a lot of us who are willing to work to improve our school, inasmuch as it needs improving. I don’t love the proposed changes, but they’re not untenable with some modifications along the lines of what people have proposed.

If MVC is the minimum, most high schools shouldn’t go much farther than that. It’s *high school*. We’d be better served by pushing the BOE hard on offering robust programs at all schools, i.e., increasing parity, than arguing for super advanced classes.

There are a bunch of $1 million+ houses being sold in the Einstein area. If MCPS isn't offering a decent set of courses for smart (but not "gifted") college bound kids, some of those students will certainly leave the system. Not all of them, but it creates a vicious cycle.

Many of the rebuilds are going for 1-2 million. Minimum house now is $550-600K for a 800 square foot one level fixer upper.

Many of the kids go to Blair or Wheaton who are more advanced.

But without the DCC they don't have a choice of Blair. What is my STEM talented but not magnet talented kid supposed to go? If we were in an other HS district she would get more choice. Why is her educational opportunity curtailed because I can't afford a $1.5M house elsewhere.

Won't all high schools be required to offer AP Bio, Chem, Phys and AP Calc BC and Stats?

Jesus. You really don't understand, do you? Most stem oriented kids today want to go beyond BC Calc in HS. They want to take MVC, which Einstein does not offer, whereas other MCPS schools do.

We made the mistake of sending our STEM-oriented older child to Einstein inbounds. The math and science SUCKED. He has struggled in college trying to major in a STEM subject.

Based on that we knew to send our younger son to Wheaton. He did not get into the magnet engineering program, but thanks to the Wheaton engineering academy, he was able to take multivariable calculus, six engineering courses, etc., with the teachers who also taught in the magnet and who were fantastic teachers.

Compare that to my kid at Einstein, who had the same terrible math teacher for a year and a half, was only able to take BC Calc senior year AND was stuck with NO TEACHER for the first couple months of Calculus. They had to teach themselves from PPT! It was absurd.

Thanks god we were able to send our younger kid to Wheaton.

Citation needed.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have the same strong offerings at every school. Having speciality programs at different schools is silly if students don’t get school choose and each school doesn’t have equal strong offerings. Taylor and the BOE clearly ditched equity and student needs. How many kids want a teacher academy. They reduced the current program a few years ago. How about a poll asking parents, teachers and students what they want at these schools. People are going to bail from Einstein if they can and either move or go private. It and Kennedy will be the weak links.

+1

The DCC is what keeps wealthier kids in public schools. DH and I have just discussed upping our 529 contributions so we can afford private if need be.

Having a standardized base of strong offerings at all schools is part of the plan. Funny how most people are not asking questions or focused on that piece.

We don't buy it because MCPS has caveated it with saying they will offer courses "if there is interest" which is a circular way of saying they won't actually offer that strong base or will have it be virtual in the lower income schools, which will lead wealthy families to flee public schools.

The more comfortable families will leave Einstein and the FARM rate will likely rise. The school gained students for its VAPA program, but many academically strong students now choose magnets or lottery into Blair or Wheaton due to Einstein's limited advanced course offerings. The principal claims there's no demand for higher-level classes, but demand is low because the classes aren't offered. Students are often pushed through AB, BC, then Stats, with no alternatives. MCPS offers no virtual high school math options and has no plans to. Students are left with three choices: take what is available, drive their kids to another school, or to Montgomery College for the classes they need. There is no excuse for MCPS not providing enough math to meet graduation requirements. The minimum at each school should be MVC as then students can take Statistics after MVC if they need an extra math class.

DP - I think you’re overstating how many families will leave Einstein (and how many inbounds kids currently choose Blair or Wheaton). There are a lot of highly educated parents here (e.g., Feds and academics with PhDs) who don’t necessarily have the money to shell out for private nor to move. And a lot of us who are willing to work to improve our school, inasmuch as it needs improving. I don’t love the proposed changes, but they’re not untenable with some modifications along the lines of what people have proposed.

If MVC is the minimum, most high schools shouldn’t go much farther than that. It’s *high school*. We’d be better served by pushing the BOE hard on offering robust programs at all schools, i.e., increasing parity, than arguing for super advanced classes.

There are a bunch of $1 million+ houses being sold in the Einstein area. If MCPS isn't offering a decent set of courses for smart (but not "gifted") college bound kids, some of those students will certainly leave the system. Not all of them, but it creates a vicious cycle.

Many of the rebuilds are going for 1-2 million. Minimum house now is $550-600K for a 800 square foot one level fixer upper.

Many of the kids go to Blair or Wheaton who are more advanced.

But without the DCC they don't have a choice of Blair. What is my STEM talented but not magnet talented kid supposed to go? If we were in an other HS district she would get more choice. Why is her educational opportunity curtailed because I can't afford a $1.5M house elsewhere.

Won't all high schools be required to offer AP Bio, Chem, Phys and AP Calc BC and Stats?

I believe the slide said either AP or IB.

Yes, this is from the June BOE meeting, recommending baseline courses to be at all high schools:

Advanced Placement (or IB) Courses

Math
● Pre-Calculus, Calculus AB, Calculus BC, Statistics

English
● English 10 AP Seminar, Language and Literature,
English Literature

Science
● Biology, Chemistry, Physics

Social Studies
● Government, U.S. History, World History, Psychology,
Human Geography

World Languages
● Spanish, French

Technology
● Computer Science Principles, Computer Science
Java Arts
● 1–2 minimum based on student interest

This is what we have now and it’s not adequate or equitable.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have the same strong offerings at every school. Having speciality programs at different schools is silly if students don’t get school choose and each school doesn’t have equal strong offerings. Taylor and the BOE clearly ditched equity and student needs. How many kids want a teacher academy. They reduced the current program a few years ago. How about a poll asking parents, teachers and students what they want at these schools. People are going to bail from Einstein if they can and either move or go private. It and Kennedy will be the weak links.

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The DCC is what keeps wealthier kids in public schools. DH and I have just discussed upping our 529 contributions so we can afford private if need be.

Having a standardized base of strong offerings at all schools is part of the plan. Funny how most people are not asking questions or focused on that piece.

We don't buy it because MCPS has caveated it with saying they will offer courses "if there is interest" which is a circular way of saying they won't actually offer that strong base or will have it be virtual in the lower income schools, which will lead wealthy families to flee public schools.

The more comfortable families will leave Einstein and the FARM rate will likely rise. The school gained students for its VAPA program, but many academically strong students now choose magnets or lottery into Blair or Wheaton due to Einstein's limited advanced course offerings. The principal claims there's no demand for higher-level classes, but demand is low because the classes aren't offered. Students are often pushed through AB, BC, then Stats, with no alternatives. MCPS offers no virtual high school math options and has no plans to. Students are left with three choices: take what is available, drive their kids to another school, or to Montgomery College for the classes they need. There is no excuse for MCPS not providing enough math to meet graduation requirements. The minimum at each school should be MVC as then students can take Statistics after MVC if they need an extra math class.

DP - I think you’re overstating how many families will leave Einstein (and how many inbounds kids currently choose Blair or Wheaton). There are a lot of highly educated parents here (e.g., Feds and academics with PhDs) who don’t necessarily have the money to shell out for private nor to move. And a lot of us who are willing to work to improve our school, inasmuch as it needs improving. I don’t love the proposed changes, but they’re not untenable with some modifications along the lines of what people have proposed.

If MVC is the minimum, most high schools shouldn’t go much farther than that. It’s *high school*. We’d be better served by pushing the BOE hard on offering robust programs at all schools, i.e., increasing parity, than arguing for super advanced classes.

There are a bunch of $1 million+ houses being sold in the Einstein area. If MCPS isn't offering a decent set of courses for smart (but not "gifted") college bound kids, some of those students will certainly leave the system. Not all of them, but it creates a vicious cycle.

Many of the rebuilds are going for 1-2 million. Minimum house now is $550-600K for a 800 square foot one level fixer upper.

Many of the kids go to Blair or Wheaton who are more advanced.

But without the DCC they don't have a choice of Blair. What is my STEM talented but not magnet talented kid supposed to go? If we were in an other HS district she would get more choice. Why is her educational opportunity curtailed because I can't afford a $1.5M house elsewhere.

Won't all high schools be required to offer AP Bio, Chem, Phys and AP Calc BC and Stats?

Jesus. You really don't understand, do you? Most stem oriented kids today want to go beyond BC Calc in HS. They want to take MVC, which Einstein does not offer, whereas other MCPS schools do.

We made the mistake of sending our STEM-oriented older child to Einstein inbounds. The math and science SUCKED. He has struggled in college trying to major in a STEM subject.

Based on that we knew to send our younger son to Wheaton. He did not get into the magnet engineering program, but thanks to the Wheaton engineering academy, he was able to take multivariable calculus, six engineering courses, etc., with the teachers who also taught in the magnet and who were fantastic teachers.

Compare that to my kid at Einstein, who had the same terrible math teacher for a year and a half, was only able to take BC Calc senior year AND was stuck with NO TEACHER for the first couple months of Calculus. They had to teach themselves from PPT! It was absurd.

Thanks god we were able to send our younger kid to Wheaton.

So they have trouble hiring teachers for standard HS math courses but want to stand up in the next 24 months a ton of new special programs that require specialized expertise to teach?

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Anonymous wrote:They should have the same strong offerings at every school. Having speciality programs at different schools is silly if students don’t get school choose and each school doesn’t have equal strong offerings. Taylor and the BOE clearly ditched equity and student needs. How many kids want a teacher academy. They reduced the current program a few years ago. How about a poll asking parents, teachers and students what they want at these schools. People are going to bail from Einstein if they can and either move or go private. It and Kennedy will be the weak links.

+1

The DCC is what keeps wealthier kids in public schools. DH and I have just discussed upping our 529 contributions so we can afford private if need be.

Having a standardized base of strong offerings at all schools is part of the plan. Funny how most people are not asking questions or focused on that piece.

We don't buy it because MCPS has caveated it with saying they will offer courses "if there is interest" which is a circular way of saying they won't actually offer that strong base or will have it be virtual in the lower income schools, which will lead wealthy families to flee public schools.

The more comfortable families will leave Einstein and the FARM rate will likely rise. The school gained students for its VAPA program, but many academically strong students now choose magnets or lottery into Blair or Wheaton due to Einstein's limited advanced course offerings. The principal claims there's no demand for higher-level classes, but demand is low because the classes aren't offered. Students are often pushed through AB, BC, then Stats, with no alternatives. MCPS offers no virtual high school math options and has no plans to. Students are left with three choices: take what is available, drive their kids to another school, or to Montgomery College for the classes they need. There is no excuse for MCPS not providing enough math to meet graduation requirements. The minimum at each school should be MVC as then students can take Statistics after MVC if they need an extra math class.

DP - I think you’re overstating how many families will leave Einstein (and how many inbounds kids currently choose Blair or Wheaton). There are a lot of highly educated parents here (e.g., Feds and academics with PhDs) who don’t necessarily have the money to shell out for private nor to move. And a lot of us who are willing to work to improve our school, inasmuch as it needs improving. I don’t love the proposed changes, but they’re not untenable with some modifications along the lines of what people have proposed.

If MVC is the minimum, most high schools shouldn’t go much farther than that. It’s *high school*. We’d be better served by pushing the BOE hard on offering robust programs at all schools, i.e., increasing parity, than arguing for super advanced classes.

There are a bunch of $1 million+ houses being sold in the Einstein area. If MCPS isn't offering a decent set of courses for smart (but not "gifted") college bound kids, some of those students will certainly leave the system. Not all of them, but it creates a vicious cycle.

Many of the rebuilds are going for 1-2 million. Minimum house now is $550-600K for a 800 square foot one level fixer upper.

Many of the kids go to Blair or Wheaton who are more advanced.

But without the DCC they don't have a choice of Blair. What is my STEM talented but not magnet talented kid supposed to go? If we were in an other HS district she would get more choice. Why is her educational opportunity curtailed because I can't afford a $1.5M house elsewhere.

Won't all high schools be required to offer AP Bio, Chem, Phys and AP Calc BC and Stats?

Jesus. You really don't understand, do you? Most stem oriented kids today want to go beyond BC Calc in HS. They want to take MVC, which Einstein does not offer, whereas other MCPS schools do.

We made the mistake of sending our STEM-oriented older child to Einstein inbounds. The math and science SUCKED. He has struggled in college trying to major in a STEM subject.

Based on that we knew to send our younger son to Wheaton. He did not get into the magnet engineering program, but thanks to the Wheaton engineering academy, he was able to take multivariable calculus, six engineering courses, etc., with the teachers who also taught in the magnet and who were fantastic teachers.

Compare that to my kid at Einstein, who had the same terrible math teacher for a year and a half, was only able to take BC Calc senior year AND was stuck with NO TEACHER for the first couple months of Calculus. They had to teach themselves from PPT! It was absurd.

Thanks god we were able to send our younger kid to Wheaton.

So they have trouble hiring teachers for standard HS math courses but want to stand up in the next 24 months a ton of new special programs that require specialized expertise to teach?

Taylor strongly believes that MCPS teachers have enough talents and certificates and not having enough workload so he just need to move people around.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the most effective way to voice our concerns and provide feedback? It is not immediately obvious.

That is the problem. MCPS wants to shake everything up in a brief amount of time without adequate public discourse. MCCPTA will be voting a resolution to slow this process so all voices can be heard.

Attend the County Council's Education and Culture Committee session tomorrow from 1:30-4:30pm at 100 Maryland Avenue in Rockville in the 3rd Floor Hearing Room and bring signs/t shirts from your school if you have one

Here is the link to the agenda for this public meeting. The third item relates to the regional program proposal. https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/Gener...d=169&event_id=16606

Oops, bad link, here it is: https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=169&event_id=16606

What can County Council's Education and Culture Committee do about MCPS trying to unilaterally implement this regional model without public buy-in?

Central office will lie in front of the public that they had communicated well and collected feedbacks through webminars.

So when the council members don't question them on this, call their offices and inform them of your displeasure.

Believe me, I did this a couple of times to BOE. I put together all publicly available links to documents that I can find and made summary table for them to list concerns from the community. No one responds. No one cares. They let central office lie and they help them disguise.

You're not the only one... and no peep out of BOE or MCPS staff except for the AI-sounding "thank you for your feedback" email.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the most effective way to voice our concerns and provide feedback? It is not immediately obvious.

That is the problem. MCPS wants to shake everything up in a brief amount of time without adequate public discourse. MCCPTA will be voting a resolution to slow this process so all voices can be heard.

Attend the County Council's Education and Culture Committee session tomorrow from 1:30-4:30pm at 100 Maryland Avenue in Rockville in the 3rd Floor Hearing Room and bring signs/t shirts from your school if you have one

Here is the link to the agenda for this public meeting. The third item relates to the regional program proposal. https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/Gener...d=169&event_id=16606

Oops, bad link, here it is: https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=169&event_id=16606

What can County Council's Education and Culture Committee do about MCPS trying to unilaterally implement this regional model without public buy-in?

Central office will lie in front of the public that they had communicated well and collected feedbacks through webminars.

So when the council members don't question them on this, call their offices and inform them of your displeasure.

Believe me, I did this a couple of times to BOE. I put together all publicly available links to documents that I can find and made summary table for them to list concerns from the community. No one responds. No one cares. They let central office lie and they help them disguise.

You're not the only one... and no peep out of BOE or MCPS staff except for the AI-sounding "thank you for your feedback" email.

Unfortunately, this is typical with emails. They are too easy to ignore. Take up someone's time. Show up in person to meetings. They respond to this and to press coverage.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the most effective way to voice our concerns and provide feedback? It is not immediately obvious.

That is the problem. MCPS wants to shake everything up in a brief amount of time without adequate public discourse. MCCPTA will be voting a resolution to slow this process so all voices can be heard.

Attend the County Council's Education and Culture Committee session tomorrow from 1:30-4:30pm at 100 Maryland Avenue in Rockville in the 3rd Floor Hearing Room and bring signs/t shirts from your school if you have one

Here is the link to the agenda for this public meeting. The third item relates to the regional program proposal. https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/Gener...d=169&event_id=16606

Oops, bad link, here it is: https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=169&event_id=16606

What can County Council's Education and Culture Committee do about MCPS trying to unilaterally implement this regional model without public buy-in?

Central office will lie in front of the public that they had communicated well and collected feedbacks through webminars.

So when the council members don't question them on this, call their offices and inform them of your displeasure.

Believe me, I did this a couple of times to BOE. I put together all publicly available links to documents that I can find and made summary table for them to list concerns from the community. No one responds. No one cares. They let central office lie and they help them disguise.

That's why we've got to sign up to testify at the Board meetings in front of their faces in ways that make it much harder to ignore.

And be very specific in that testimony about the lack of opportunities for feedback. Spell out that this has been presented to the community from day 1 as a done deal and MCPS communications have been focused on presenting information/answering clarifying questions. That there have been no surveys or forms provided to gather feedback, just the "Ask A Question* form hidden on the website that is designed to collect questions rather than gather feedback. That the webinars have been presented and structured as informational and did not request input. Say that you and many people you know have been wanting to provide feedback and have not found any opportunities whatsoever to give it. Think about anything MCPS might say that pretends there has been feedback, and make it as clear as humanly possible that it's a lie. And then if multiple people are doing the same, it will be much harder to ignore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the most effective way to voice our concerns and provide feedback? It is not immediately obvious.

That is the problem. MCPS wants to shake everything up in a brief amount of time without adequate public discourse. MCCPTA will be voting a resolution to slow this process so all voices can be heard.

Attend the County Council's Education and Culture Committee session tomorrow from 1:30-4:30pm at 100 Maryland Avenue in Rockville in the 3rd Floor Hearing Room and bring signs/t shirts from your school if you have one

Here is the link to the agenda for this public meeting. The third item relates to the regional program proposal. https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/Gener...d=169&event_id=16606

Oops, bad link, here it is: https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=169&event_id=16606

What can County Council's Education and Culture Committee do about MCPS trying to unilaterally implement this regional model without public buy-in?

Central office will lie in front of the public that they had communicated well and collected feedbacks through webminars.

So when the council members don't question them on this, call their offices and inform them of your displeasure.

Believe me, I did this a couple of times to BOE. I put together all publicly available links to documents that I can find and made summary table for them to list concerns from the community. No one responds. No one cares. They let central office lie and they help them disguise.

That's why we've got to sign up to testify at the Board meetings in front of their faces in ways that make it much harder to ignore.

And be very specific in that testimony about the lack of opportunities for feedback. Spell out that this has been presented to the community from day 1 as a done deal and MCPS communications have been focused on presenting information/answering clarifying questions. That there have been no surveys or forms provided to gather feedback, just the "Ask A Question* form hidden on the website that is designed to collect questions rather than gather feedback. That the webinars have been presented and structured as informational and did not request input. Say that you and many people you know have been wanting to provide feedback and have not found any opportunities whatsoever to give it. Think about anything MCPS might say that pretends there has been feedback, and make it as clear as humanly possible that it's a lie. And then if multiple people are doing the same, it will be much harder to ignore.

Do county council meetings provide public testimony sessions or public session for communicating stakeholder concerns? I'm so done with BOE. They wear the same pants with MCPS and run away like rabits from any word that sounds like "accountability".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the most effective way to voice our concerns and provide feedback? It is not immediately obvious.

That is the problem. MCPS wants to shake everything up in a brief amount of time without adequate public discourse. MCCPTA will be voting a resolution to slow this process so all voices can be heard.

Attend the County Council's Education and Culture Committee session tomorrow from 1:30-4:30pm at 100 Maryland Avenue in Rockville in the 3rd Floor Hearing Room and bring signs/t shirts from your school if you have one

Here is the link to the agenda for this public meeting. The third item relates to the regional program proposal. https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/Gener...d=169&event_id=16606

Oops, bad link, here it is: https://montgomerycountymd.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=169&event_id=16606

What can County Council's Education and Culture Committee do about MCPS trying to unilaterally implement this regional model without public buy-in?

Central office will lie in front of the public that they had communicated well and collected feedbacks through webminars.

So when the council members don't question them on this, call their offices and inform them of your displeasure.

Believe me, I did this a couple of times to BOE. I put together all publicly available links to documents that I can find and made summary table for them to list concerns from the community. No one responds. No one cares. They let central office lie and they help them disguise.

That's why we've got to sign up to testify at the Board meetings in front of their faces in ways that make it much harder to ignore.

And be very specific in that testimony about the lack of opportunities for feedback. Spell out that this has been presented to the community from day 1 as a done deal and MCPS communications have been focused on presenting information/answering clarifying questions. That there have been no surveys or forms provided to gather feedback, just the "Ask A Question* form hidden on the website that is designed to collect questions rather than gather feedback. That the webinars have been presented and structured as informational and did not request input. Say that you and many people you know have been wanting to provide feedback and have not found any opportunities whatsoever to give it. Think about anything MCPS might say that pretends there has been feedback, and make it as clear as humanly possible that it's a lie. And then if multiple people are doing the same, it will be much harder to ignore.

Do county council meetings provide public testimony sessions or public session for communicating stakeholder concerns? I'm so done with BOE. They wear the same pants with MCPS and run away like rabits from any word that sounds like "accountability".

They do have public hearings, but tomorrow's meeting is not one. The public can attend and listen. I do feel it matters who is in the room.