boom there it is! |
| I haven’t read the whole thread, but wow, Oberlin dropped a lot. Now ranked at 58. It has been in the high 30s the few years, which was already a drop. It’s solidly ranked lower than Denison and Kenyon. I got accepted to Denison and rejected from Oberlin back in the day. |
Oberlin has become a left wing, woke, LGBTQ nightmare. Prospective students know this, and interest has dropped off accordingly among normal people. The college's epic mishandling of the Gibson Bakery fiasco was just another nail in the coffin. FAFO. |
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I think the student experience at Swat these days is not great. I dont know how that's captured in ratings, but Bowdoin and Pomona (and Williams and Amherst) all seem to have happier kids.
Swat does have a great dining system |
I get 33% for Bowdoin because you need to count the waitlist as 1:1. Haven’t checked the others. But at the very least, it should clearly be WASP-B! |
| Oberlin is what makes me not put much stock in USNWR's rankings. Their endowment is 1.27B. Compared to the schools listed alongside them at #58- Gettysburg's is $314M, St. Lawrence's is $378M. Oberlin has had 4 Nobel laureates and has a world-renowned conservatory. I was hoping they would pop back up into the top 50, but to bump them even further down the list is ridiculous. You're just not going to convince me that my kid will get a better education at Berea College in Kentucky or Soka University (a dang cult) than at Oberlin. |
Bingo! |
51%- 51%!- of Oberlin students identified as LGBTQ in 2022 (link below). It was one of only 3 campuses (the others being women's colleges- Smith and Wellesley I think) where a clear majority of the students claimed not to be heteronormative. No matter how big Oberlin's endowment is, if it chooses to fill the niche of "the gayest college in America", applicants will lose interest, viewpoint diversity on campus will suffer, and eventually Oberlin will lose sponsorship from the wealthy/UMC families who are the lifeblood of liberal arts colleges. If Oberlin wants to reverse its fall in the rankings, it will have to start with a radical reordering of priorities in its admissions and financial aid offices. I don't see that happening, so a long slow embarrassing decline it is for Oberlin. https://www.thecollegefix.com/almost-40-percent-of-students-identify-as-lgbtq-at-liberal-arts-colleges-survey/ |
Then why is Wellesley still ranked so highly? |
+1 For STEM, Carleton then Oberlin were DC's choices after WASP. He was very impressed with the STEM tour, and liked the campus. He wasn't sure he would feel comfortable socially/politically but Oberlin had a kind, laid-back vibe that he liked. Apparently they've had minimal issues with campus protests because of the culture of civil discourse. Along with generous merit, very appealing. |
Wellesley is also playing with fire. I know many Wellesley women as family and friends, and none of them- *none*- are interested in sending their daughters there. I'd expect Wellesley's ability to place students into top-tier jobs and graduate schools to degrade significantly over the next 30 years. |
Flat out wrong. Pomona has improved greatly on fellowship attainment and is in the process of building out a massive center for global engagement which will have visiting international scholars, allow for the expansion of Pomona’s politics department and public policy analysis reach, and currently funds are allowing students to travel internationally with faculty-led coursework. Is cmc expanding greatly? Yes, but it also is a campus that’s summed up in 4 academic buildings and is uniquely homogenous in focus and thought. There’s many reasons to choose Pomona- it’s still the best consortium school for graduate admissions across the board, the environment is fun (it’s not uncommon to see a bunch of kids in suits at 1 pm in the blistering sun at CMC), and, for as much as people talk up CMC’s outcomes, Pomona produces consistently much more notable alumni. |
Massive change in leadership coming at Pomona. The president has addressed in email how much this ranking is a blow to the school, parents, and alumni. The BOT is doing a confidence vote tomorrow to see if the president will stay in power. This is a serious problem, and it’s shocking Pomona let itself slide this far down. Hoping for a brighter future. |
Good point. But human nature understands winners and losers, not deciles. |
The 8-way tie for #13 and the 7-way tie for #37 are just ridiculous. So this means one of the #13 schools, say Davidson for example, is ranked somewhere between #13 and #20. USNWR needs to come up with a way to break ties, at least where so many schools are tied. |