DHS ends teleworking, requires employees to work in person

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Anonymous wrote:Help me follow the logic of anti-telework folks.
If a small number of people are abusing the system, is the argument everyone should lose the benefit? Or is the argument, my private sector job doesn’t allow telework, so your job shouldn’t either? I’m really trying to understand.

Neither. I think they've been pretty transparent about the goal being to make federal employment more miserable in order to drive high-performers to the private sector. They want government to be less effective.

Private companies are cutting back and hiring freezes. It could be a big recession on top if inflation.

So teleworking will be the "cause" of the next recession?

Private companies were rto at the beginning of the year. They are looking to fire too.

I don’t know anyone in a private sector role back five days a week. Most people are hybrid. That’s the norm.

People are pretty delusional about the state of the world. Look at the wildfires. My husband’s company, based in in LA, is feeling pretty good about diversifying their workforce and expanding nationwide hiring cause a lot of the LA staff aren’t focused on work lately.

There is no question we will have another pandemic. It makes sense to get used to remote work becoming a more regular thing.

Most white collar people are hybrid. Even at the height of the pandemic the majority of American workers were not working from home. Lots of jobs require you to be physically present for them to happen.

This is not an argument against telework. DH can telework, I can't. Our family runs much better and DH is much happier when he can telework. But the blindness to the sheer number of people who cannot telework (like me!) is part of what causes the irrational rage against teleworking feds.

Then why aren't you enraged at your husband's telework?

Because pp is a troll who can’t keep their story straight.

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Anonymous wrote:Help me follow the logic of anti-telework folks.
If a small number of people are abusing the system, is the argument everyone should lose the benefit? Or is the argument, my private sector job doesn’t allow telework, so your job shouldn’t either? I’m really trying to understand.

1) we don’t know if it’s a small number or not
2) very many government workers work from home, apparently (I had no idea it was this many)
3) my tax dollars go to their salaries. I don’t care if private companies waste their money on people who abuse working from home

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Anonymous wrote:Help me follow the logic of anti-telework folks.
If a small number of people are abusing the system, is the argument everyone should lose the benefit? Or is the argument, my private sector job doesn’t allow telework, so your job shouldn’t either? I’m really trying to understand.

1) we don’t know if it’s a small number or not
2) very many government workers work from home, apparently (I had no idea it was this many)
3) my tax dollars go to their salaries. I don’t care if private companies waste their money on people who abuse working from home

I pay taxes and think we should have telework.

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Anonymous wrote:These headline grabbing articles are just that. There are exemptions for lack of physical space or employee’s inability to return. Let’s see how this plays out with actual DHS employees.

+1, the loopholes are actually huge.

They are using RTO as stealth layoffs, just like the private sector has the last few years. It's also a way to clear out older workers who probably should retire but have stuck around because their jobs are very easy for them at this stage and if they can do them at home with a flexible schedule, why not.

Managers are going to come back with exemptions for most of their other workers though. A lot of these jobs have no permanent offices to go back to. Some are highly skilled workers who are very hard to replace (and most replacements would also expect WFH allowances).

If you have an empty office somewhere that you never go to, are relatively easy to replace, and are a poor performer, you should either ready yourself to return to the office or look for another job.

I can't stand Trump but I support this specific policy. I've managed people a long time and there are lots of appropriate uses for RTO but there are also a lot of people who just abuse it to avoid working and you need mechanisms for rooting those people out.

I think agency heads are going to set policies for exemptions that will be too narrow for individual managers to circumvent. That's been my experience in my career to date.

This!
An administration that doesn’t believe in remote work and telework will make sure that many people don’t use exemptions to work around the EO.
They have a goal and will make sure they achieve.

True. The goal is to have people on the roads so that they buy gas and cars, then they spend 2-3 hrs in commute and are so tired that they end up eating out a lot, then when they are fat and unhealthy the pharmaceutical companies can make mind off of them.

This is no coincidence, billionaires want the plebes constantly working and tired, that’s how they make money. From fast foods to gas stations to big pharma to clothes retailers, we are supposed to enrich all of them off our backs. The tragedy is that billionaires exploit people by using them against each other, a tale as old as time.

Otherwise, what difference does it make to Trump whether Federal workers have a hybrid schedule or not, to him and his donors these people are the cogs in their money making process.

Teachers, doctors, nurses and so many other professionals have to go into work every day. Why should you all get to ‘work from home’ for years?

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Anonymous wrote:Help me follow the logic of anti-telework folks.
If a small number of people are abusing the system, is the argument everyone should lose the benefit? Or is the argument, my private sector job doesn’t allow telework, so your job shouldn’t either? I’m really trying to understand.

1) we don’t know if it’s a small number or not yes we do. You're just choosing not to view the evidence or hear how it is working.
2) very many government workers work from home, apparently (I had no idea it was this many)Again, untrue. There has been a lot of stats on this recently, including in this thread. Again, your ignorance is showing.
3) my tax dollars go to their salaries. I don’t care if private companies waste their money on people who abuse working from home

My tax dollars go to my own salary. Your tax contribution to me is a tiny fraction of a percent amount. But you likely receive tax benefits and other things from the government through subsidies, etc. And probably in much greater amounts than my salary. So kindly F off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These headline grabbing articles are just that. There are exemptions for lack of physical space or employee’s inability to return. Let’s see how this plays out with actual DHS employees.

+1, the loopholes are actually huge.

They are using RTO as stealth layoffs, just like the private sector has the last few years. It's also a way to clear out older workers who probably should retire but have stuck around because their jobs are very easy for them at this stage and if they can do them at home with a flexible schedule, why not.

Managers are going to come back with exemptions for most of their other workers though. A lot of these jobs have no permanent offices to go back to. Some are highly skilled workers who are very hard to replace (and most replacements would also expect WFH allowances).

If you have an empty office somewhere that you never go to, are relatively easy to replace, and are a poor performer, you should either ready yourself to return to the office or look for another job.

I can't stand Trump but I support this specific policy. I've managed people a long time and there are lots of appropriate uses for RTO but there are also a lot of people who just abuse it to avoid working and you need mechanisms for rooting those people out.

I think agency heads are going to set policies for exemptions that will be too narrow for individual managers to circumvent. That's been my experience in my career to date.

This!
An administration that doesn’t believe in remote work and telework will make sure that many people don’t use exemptions to work around the EO.
They have a goal and will make sure they achieve.

True. The goal is to have people on the roads so that they buy gas and cars, then they spend 2-3 hrs in commute and are so tired that they end up eating out a lot, then when they are fat and unhealthy the pharmaceutical companies can make mind off of them.

This is no coincidence, billionaires want the plebes constantly working and tired, that’s how they make money. From fast foods to gas stations to big pharma to clothes retailers, we are supposed to enrich all of them off our backs. The tragedy is that billionaires exploit people by using them against each other, a tale as old as time.

Otherwise, what difference does it make to Trump whether Federal workers have a hybrid schedule or not, to him and his donors these people are the cogs in their money making process.

Teachers, doctors, nurses and so many other professionals have to go into work every day. Why should you all get to ‘work from home’ for years?

Because my job can be done from home. I don't make widgets, triage illness in patients, etc. Surely even YOU can understand tht difference?
"Misery loves company" is not a valid policy position.

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Anonymous wrote:Help me follow the logic of anti-telework folks.
If a small number of people are abusing the system, is the argument everyone should lose the benefit? Or is the argument, my private sector job doesn’t allow telework, so your job shouldn’t either? I’m really trying to understand.

1) we don’t know if it’s a small number or not
2) very many government workers work from home, apparently (I had no idea it was this many)
3) my tax dollars go to their salaries. I don’t care if private companies waste their money on people who abuse working from home

Yo. Some of us are fee funded…so….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These headline grabbing articles are just that. There are exemptions for lack of physical space or employee’s inability to return. Let’s see how this plays out with actual DHS employees.

+1, the loopholes are actually huge.

They are using RTO as stealth layoffs, just like the private sector has the last few years. It's also a way to clear out older workers who probably should retire but have stuck around because their jobs are very easy for them at this stage and if they can do them at home with a flexible schedule, why not.

Managers are going to come back with exemptions for most of their other workers though. A lot of these jobs have no permanent offices to go back to. Some are highly skilled workers who are very hard to replace (and most replacements would also expect WFH allowances).

If you have an empty office somewhere that you never go to, are relatively easy to replace, and are a poor performer, you should either ready yourself to return to the office or look for another job.

I can't stand Trump but I support this specific policy. I've managed people a long time and there are lots of appropriate uses for RTO but there are also a lot of people who just abuse it to avoid working and you need mechanisms for rooting those people out.

I think agency heads are going to set policies for exemptions that will be too narrow for individual managers to circumvent. That's been my experience in my career to date.

This!
An administration that doesn’t believe in remote work and telework will make sure that many people don’t use exemptions to work around the EO.
They have a goal and will make sure they achieve.

True. The goal is to have people on the roads so that they buy gas and cars, then they spend 2-3 hrs in commute and are so tired that they end up eating out a lot, then when they are fat and unhealthy the pharmaceutical companies can make mind off of them.

This is no coincidence, billionaires want the plebes constantly working and tired, that’s how they make money. From fast foods to gas stations to big pharma to clothes retailers, we are supposed to enrich all of them off our backs. The tragedy is that billionaires exploit people by using them against each other, a tale as old as time.

Otherwise, what difference does it make to Trump whether Federal workers have a hybrid schedule or not, to him and his donors these people are the cogs in their money making process.

Teachers, doctors, nurses and so many other professionals have to go into work every day. Why should you all get to ‘work from home’ for years?

My doctor DH works from home a couple days a week.

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised I didn't hear anything from my agency yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These headline grabbing articles are just that. There are exemptions for lack of physical space or employee’s inability to return. Let’s see how this plays out with actual DHS employees.

+1, the loopholes are actually huge.

They are using RTO as stealth layoffs, just like the private sector has the last few years. It's also a way to clear out older workers who probably should retire but have stuck around because their jobs are very easy for them at this stage and if they can do them at home with a flexible schedule, why not.

Managers are going to come back with exemptions for most of their other workers though. A lot of these jobs have no permanent offices to go back to. Some are highly skilled workers who are very hard to replace (and most replacements would also expect WFH allowances).

If you have an empty office somewhere that you never go to, are relatively easy to replace, and are a poor performer, you should either ready yourself to return to the office or look for another job.

I can't stand Trump but I support this specific policy. I've managed people a long time and there are lots of appropriate uses for RTO but there are also a lot of people who just abuse it to avoid working and you need mechanisms for rooting those people out.

I think agency heads are going to set policies for exemptions that will be too narrow for individual managers to circumvent. That's been my experience in my career to date.

This!
An administration that doesn’t believe in remote work and telework will make sure that many people don’t use exemptions to work around the EO.
They have a goal and will make sure they achieve.

True. The goal is to have people on the roads so that they buy gas and cars, then they spend 2-3 hrs in commute and are so tired that they end up eating out a lot, then when they are fat and unhealthy the pharmaceutical companies can make mind off of them.

This is no coincidence, billionaires want the plebes constantly working and tired, that’s how they make money. From fast foods to gas stations to big pharma to clothes retailers, we are supposed to enrich all of them off our backs. The tragedy is that billionaires exploit people by using them against each other, a tale as old as time.

Otherwise, what difference does it make to Trump whether Federal workers have a hybrid schedule or not, to him and his donors these people are the cogs in their money making process.

Teachers, doctors, nurses and so many other professionals have to go into work every day. Why should you all get to ‘work from home’ for years?

My doctor DH works from home a couple days a week.

Right! Normally my first appt with any doctor (esp specialists) is now virtual. Just had a virtual orthopedic video call where we discussed an xray.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised I didn't hear anything from my agency yet.

Ugh we were told 5pm tomorrow. Not sure why they have to wait until 5pm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These headline grabbing articles are just that. There are exemptions for lack of physical space or employee’s inability to return. Let’s see how this plays out with actual DHS employees.

+1, the loopholes are actually huge.

They are using RTO as stealth layoffs, just like the private sector has the last few years. It's also a way to clear out older workers who probably should retire but have stuck around because their jobs are very easy for them at this stage and if they can do them at home with a flexible schedule, why not.

Managers are going to come back with exemptions for most of their other workers though. A lot of these jobs have no permanent offices to go back to. Some are highly skilled workers who are very hard to replace (and most replacements would also expect WFH allowances).

If you have an empty office somewhere that you never go to, are relatively easy to replace, and are a poor performer, you should either ready yourself to return to the office or look for another job.

I can't stand Trump but I support this specific policy. I've managed people a long time and there are lots of appropriate uses for RTO but there are also a lot of people who just abuse it to avoid working and you need mechanisms for rooting those people out.

I think agency heads are going to set policies for exemptions that will be too narrow for individual managers to circumvent. That's been my experience in my career to date.

This!
An administration that doesn’t believe in remote work and telework will make sure that many people don’t use exemptions to work around the EO.
They have a goal and will make sure they achieve.

True. The goal is to have people on the roads so that they buy gas and cars, then they spend 2-3 hrs in commute and are so tired that they end up eating out a lot, then when they are fat and unhealthy the pharmaceutical companies can make mind off of them.

This is no coincidence, billionaires want the plebes constantly working and tired, that’s how they make money. From fast foods to gas stations to big pharma to clothes retailers, we are supposed to enrich all of them off our backs. The tragedy is that billionaires exploit people by using them against each other, a tale as old as time.

Otherwise, what difference does it make to Trump whether Federal workers have a hybrid schedule or not, to him and his donors these people are the cogs in their money making process.

Teachers, doctors, nurses and so many other professionals have to go into work every day. Why should you all get to ‘work from home’ for years?

My therapist works from home. My teacher friend has switched to an online tutoring position. If they can find work from home and fulfill their duties from home why not? People should work where ever it is the most logical and efficient for them to do so.

My DH has worked for his company for 3 years. Everyone is remote. The head of the company recently announced that everyone will start spending 5 days a week on-site to support their clients. If they go through with this, my husband (and I assume many others) will quit. He’s been supporting his client for 3 years and had been promoted, but his client is in Northern Europe and we live in CA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These headline grabbing articles are just that. There are exemptions for lack of physical space or employee’s inability to return. Let’s see how this plays out with actual DHS employees.

+1, the loopholes are actually huge.

They are using RTO as stealth layoffs, just like the private sector has the last few years. It's also a way to clear out older workers who probably should retire but have stuck around because their jobs are very easy for them at this stage and if they can do them at home with a flexible schedule, why not.

Managers are going to come back with exemptions for most of their other workers though. A lot of these jobs have no permanent offices to go back to. Some are highly skilled workers who are very hard to replace (and most replacements would also expect WFH allowances).

If you have an empty office somewhere that you never go to, are relatively easy to replace, and are a poor performer, you should either ready yourself to return to the office or look for another job.

I can't stand Trump but I support this specific policy. I've managed people a long time and there are lots of appropriate uses for RTO but there are also a lot of people who just abuse it to avoid working and you need mechanisms for rooting those people out.

I think agency heads are going to set policies for exemptions that will be too narrow for individual managers to circumvent. That's been my experience in my career to date.

This!
An administration that doesn’t believe in remote work and telework will make sure that many people don’t use exemptions to work around the EO.
They have a goal and will make sure they achieve.

True. The goal is to have people on the roads so that they buy gas and cars, then they spend 2-3 hrs in commute and are so tired that they end up eating out a lot, then when they are fat and unhealthy the pharmaceutical companies can make mind off of them.

This is no coincidence, billionaires want the plebes constantly working and tired, that’s how they make money. From fast foods to gas stations to big pharma to clothes retailers, we are supposed to enrich all of them off our backs. The tragedy is that billionaires exploit people by using them against each other, a tale as old as time.

Otherwise, what difference does it make to Trump whether Federal workers have a hybrid schedule or not, to him and his donors these people are the cogs in their money making process.

Teachers, doctors, nurses and so many other professionals have to go into work every day. Why should you all get to ‘work from home’ for years?

My doctor DH works from home a couple days a week.

The bulk of my doctors appointments are by phone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These headline grabbing articles are just that. There are exemptions for lack of physical space or employee’s inability to return. Let’s see how this plays out with actual DHS employees.

+1, the loopholes are actually huge.

They are using RTO as stealth layoffs, just like the private sector has the last few years. It's also a way to clear out older workers who probably should retire but have stuck around because their jobs are very easy for them at this stage and if they can do them at home with a flexible schedule, why not.

Managers are going to come back with exemptions for most of their other workers though. A lot of these jobs have no permanent offices to go back to. Some are highly skilled workers who are very hard to replace (and most replacements would also expect WFH allowances).

If you have an empty office somewhere that you never go to, are relatively easy to replace, and are a poor performer, you should either ready yourself to return to the office or look for another job.

I can't stand Trump but I support this specific policy. I've managed people a long time and there are lots of appropriate uses for RTO but there are also a lot of people who just abuse it to avoid working and you need mechanisms for rooting those people out.

I think agency heads are going to set policies for exemptions that will be too narrow for individual managers to circumvent. That's been my experience in my career to date.

This!
An administration that doesn’t believe in remote work and telework will make sure that many people don’t use exemptions to work around the EO.
They have a goal and will make sure they achieve.

True. The goal is to have people on the roads so that they buy gas and cars, then they spend 2-3 hrs in commute and are so tired that they end up eating out a lot, then when they are fat and unhealthy the pharmaceutical companies can make mind off of them.

This is no coincidence, billionaires want the plebes constantly working and tired, that’s how they make money. From fast foods to gas stations to big pharma to clothes retailers, we are supposed to enrich all of them off our backs. The tragedy is that billionaires exploit people by using them against each other, a tale as old as time.

Otherwise, what difference does it make to Trump whether Federal workers have a hybrid schedule or not, to him and his donors these people are the cogs in their money making process.

Teachers, doctors, nurses and so many other professionals have to go into work every day. Why should you all get to ‘work from home’ for years?

My doctor DH works from home a couple days a week.

Right! Normally my first appt with any doctor (esp specialists) is now virtual. Just had a virtual orthopedic video call where we discussed an xray.

I’ve never met some of my doctors. We don’t even get video calls. Only phone. Even for things like pulmonary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised I didn't hear anything from my agency yet.

Ugh we were told 5pm tomorrow. Not sure why they have to wait until 5pm.

You know what the message will be.