Are diamonds just done?

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Anonymous wrote:If anything, diamonds are less stigmatized now because people will assume that you are wearing a lab diamond, not a mined one, and that no child soldiers were killed during the mining of your bracelet.


(PP doesn’t know what “stigma” means. Didn’t we just have a thread on this exact topic? )

Here’s what WILL be stigmatized going forward- big ass emeralds. The Taliban is overseeing the reopening of gemstone and other mineral mines, and apparently some of the most exquisite emeralds on the planet are found underneath Afghanistan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/06/world/asia/taliban-afghanistan-mining.html

Pp you are referring to. “Real” diamonds never had a stigma in my social circle and people I knew called lab diamonds “fake.” I would venture to say diamond marketing is still pretty powerful.

And your post was unnecessarily rude.

This. No one in my social circle assumes that your diamond is a lab. If that's what you want, fine, but I would not buy one. Natural diamonds are the status symbol now.

Status symbols, by definition, need to be easily identifiable out in the wild. Natural diamonds v lab diamonds are not. At all.

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It's also the kind of thing people lie about a lot. No one out and about knows your ring is natural. You can tell them that (what a terrible conversation topic!) or show them proof, but that just makes you seem insecure.

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Anonymous wrote:If you live in the DC area, especially the DCUM demographic, real diamonds will never be worth it. Go to other parts of the country, including the UES of NYC, and you'll get very different answers.

It really depends on your social circles.

The little secret is there is no way to tell if a diamond is lab grown or natural. They say 50% of natural diamonds are actually labs. The certifications are faked.

New York is the heart of the diamond cartel in the US. Of course they will push natural diamonds. Though do you really think all those natural diamond is real? No way.

The bolded is not true. There is equipment now that can id lab diamonds. It has been around for a few years and is more common now. Lab diamonds did make their way to jewelers though. Most jewelers didnt have the equipment to test just a few years ago.

People will post and say lab diamonds are inscribed with codes to id them as labs. Nope. Not all of them. Without a doubt, they found their way to jewelers.

Can you share your sources for this? Would love to know more!

Wtf, learn to google. A million articles on this.

Yes lol just try to screen to remove all the “do not work”, unbiased testing, blind testing, fraud, etc. There is no way to tell the difference.

Not PP. But it is easy to tell the difference with the right equipment, which most certified appraisers have and all GIA labs have. This "do not work" stuff you are seeing on the web is probably cheap bs equipment from China marketed at women engaged to men who make 40k who just handed them a 3ct ring who want to test it themselves.

It sounds like you do not understand the chemistry of diamonds. A lab grown diamond can be made indistinguishable from a natural diamond. They just add trace elements/impurities to mimic the imperfections found in natural diamonds. There is no way to tell the difference.

GIA iD100 use spectroscopy to analyze the diamond's light absorption patterns and trace impurities. It gives you percentages of trace impurities. A lab grown and natural diamonds are the same. The diamond industry are lying when they say they can tell the difference because there is no difference. It is just marketing.

You can take a spectroscopy report, make a recipes based on it and produce diamonds. You can even add nitrogen bubbles and growth patterns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you live in the DC area, especially the DCUM demographic, real diamonds will never be worth it. Go to other parts of the country, including the UES of NYC, and you'll get very different answers.

It really depends on your social circles.

The little secret is there is no way to tell if a diamond is lab grown or natural. They say 50% of natural diamonds are actually labs. The certifications are faked.

New York is the heart of the diamond cartel in the US. Of course they will push natural diamonds. Though do you really think all those natural diamond is real? No way.

I have read that natural diamonds have flaws, and lab created diamonds don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I will only buy mined diamonds. I just can’t get behind a lab diamond. Fake is fake. My diamond jewelry is for me, and to be passed down to my kids if they want it. I don’t view it as an investment and the resale value doesn’t matter to me

This is fine, but I'd be surprised if your kids end up wanting them. I think lab diamonds will depress prices but also predict an oversupply of mined diamonds as folks pass on "heirloom" pieces that no longer fit the aesthetic or political sensibilities of the next generation.

Heirloom pieces are often worthless. People are just going to throw them away or give them to little kids to play with.

This is the mentality of someone who grew up poor with a low educated family.

lol. Sure. Go ahead and see what you can get for your grandma's jewelry.

I don't need to, this is the beauty of compounding for a longer time. But my grandma didn't grow up on septic in West Virginia with an elementary school education, like yours, so we define value differently.

Where is the empathy? Where is the tact?

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Anonymous wrote:If you live in the DC area, especially the DCUM demographic, real diamonds will never be worth it. Go to other parts of the country, including the UES of NYC, and you'll get very different answers.

It really depends on your social circles.

The little secret is there is no way to tell if a diamond is lab grown or natural. They say 50% of natural diamonds are actually labs. The certifications are faked.

New York is the heart of the diamond cartel in the US. Of course they will push natural diamonds. Though do you really think all those natural diamond is real? No way.

I have read that natural diamonds have flaws, and lab created diamonds don’t.

No. Labs can have flaws.
It’s part of the growing process. It’s so cheap to buy a flawless lab though. For naturals most people compromise on color or clarity or size. No need to with labs.

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Anonymous wrote:If you live in the DC area, especially the DCUM demographic, real diamonds will never be worth it. Go to other parts of the country, including the UES of NYC, and you'll get very different answers.

It really depends on your social circles.

The little secret is there is no way to tell if a diamond is lab grown or natural. They say 50% of natural diamonds are actually labs. The certifications are faked.

New York is the heart of the diamond cartel in the US. Of course they will push natural diamonds. Though do you really think all those natural diamond is real? No way.

The bolded is not true. There is equipment now that can id lab diamonds. It has been around for a few years and is more common now. Lab diamonds did make their way to jewelers though. Most jewelers didnt have the equipment to test just a few years ago.

People will post and say lab diamonds are inscribed with codes to id them as labs. Nope. Not all of them. Without a doubt, they found their way to jewelers.

Can you share your sources for this? Would love to know more!

Wtf, learn to google. A million articles on this.

Yes lol just try to screen to remove all the “do not work”, unbiased testing, blind testing, fraud, etc. There is no way to tell the difference.

Not PP. But it is easy to tell the difference with the right equipment, which most certified appraisers have and all GIA labs have. This "do not work" stuff you are seeing on the web is probably cheap bs equipment from China marketed at women engaged to men who make 40k who just handed them a 3ct ring who want to test it themselves.

It sounds like you do not understand the chemistry of diamonds. A lab grown diamond can be made indistinguishable from a natural diamond. They just add trace elements/impurities to mimic the imperfections found in natural diamonds. There is no way to tell the difference.

GIA iD100 use spectroscopy to analyze the diamond's light absorption patterns and trace impurities. It gives you percentages of trace impurities. A lab grown and natural diamonds are the same. The diamond industry are lying when they say they can tell the difference because there is no difference. It is just marketing.

You can take a spectroscopy report, make a recipes based on it and produce diamonds. You can even add nitrogen bubbles and growth patterns.

You could add nitrogen to lab grown diamonds, but they don't. Why would they?

The crystal growth patterns are a little different. With a very good microscope you will sometimes be able to recognize those patterns.

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Anonymous wrote:My engagement diamond has big visible inclusions because my DH didn’t notice, so I figure now they’re special marks of earth.

And hopefully not human suffering, I guess?

OMG
Mine too
I figured I was the only one with an unobservant DH.

Lol yeah and I am not going to be the one to tell him.

I have no idea if he got a bad price or if they didn’t point them out to him but I’m pretty sure he didn’t/doesn’t know. It’s clearly visible to the naked eye. I don’t care and I’ll just take it to the grave, lol.

Me too. I'll never tell. He was a poor student then an I think the jeweler ripped him off, but he moonlighted at the post office to pay for it, so it's more valuable to me than the stone is worth.

Replace the stone with a lab diamond.

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Anonymous wrote:If you live in the DC area, especially the DCUM demographic, real diamonds will never be worth it. Go to other parts of the country, including the UES of NYC, and you'll get very different answers.

It really depends on your social circles.

The little secret is there is no way to tell if a diamond is lab grown or natural. They say 50% of natural diamonds are actually labs. The certifications are faked.

New York is the heart of the diamond cartel in the US. Of course they will push natural diamonds. Though do you really think all those natural diamond is real? No way.

The bolded is not true. There is equipment now that can id lab diamonds. It has been around for a few years and is more common now. Lab diamonds did make their way to jewelers though. Most jewelers didnt have the equipment to test just a few years ago.

People will post and say lab diamonds are inscribed with codes to id them as labs. Nope. Not all of them. Without a doubt, they found their way to jewelers.

Can you share your sources for this? Would love to know more!

Wtf, learn to google. A million articles on this.

Yes lol just try to screen to remove all the “do not work”, unbiased testing, blind testing, fraud, etc. There is no way to tell the difference.

Not PP. But it is easy to tell the difference with the right equipment, which most certified appraisers have and all GIA labs have. This "do not work" stuff you are seeing on the web is probably cheap bs equipment from China marketed at women engaged to men who make 40k who just handed them a 3ct ring who want to test it themselves.

It sounds like you do not understand the chemistry of diamonds. A lab grown diamond can be made indistinguishable from a natural diamond. They just add trace elements/impurities to mimic the imperfections found in natural diamonds. There is no way to tell the difference.

GIA iD100 use spectroscopy to analyze the diamond's light absorption patterns and trace impurities. It gives you percentages of trace impurities. A lab grown and natural diamonds are the same. The diamond industry are lying when they say they can tell the difference because there is no difference. It is just marketing.

You can take a spectroscopy report, make a recipes based on it and produce diamonds. You can even add nitrogen bubbles and growth patterns.

This is absolutely incorrect. GIA will tell you without a doubt if it's lab vs natural for less than $100. I'm not sure why you're fighting it. Did you gift a lab one as earth mined and now you're sweating? There's no cartel in NYC, the real cartel is at the excavation level.
I don't have a bone in the fight, I only wear original antique ones.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you live in the DC area, especially the DCUM demographic, real diamonds will never be worth it. Go to other parts of the country, including the UES of NYC, and you'll get very different answers.

It really depends on your social circles.

The little secret is there is no way to tell if a diamond is lab grown or natural. They say 50% of natural diamonds are actually labs. The certifications are faked.

New York is the heart of the diamond cartel in the US. Of course they will push natural diamonds. Though do you really think all those natural diamond is real? No way.

The bolded is not true. There is equipment now that can id lab diamonds. It has been around for a few years and is more common now. Lab diamonds did make their way to jewelers though. Most jewelers didnt have the equipment to test just a few years ago.

People will post and say lab diamonds are inscribed with codes to id them as labs. Nope. Not all of them. Without a doubt, they found their way to jewelers.

Can you share your sources for this? Would love to know more!

Wtf, learn to google. A million articles on this.

Yes lol just try to screen to remove all the “do not work”, unbiased testing, blind testing, fraud, etc. There is no way to tell the difference.

Not PP. But it is easy to tell the difference with the right equipment, which most certified appraisers have and all GIA labs have. This "do not work" stuff you are seeing on the web is probably cheap bs equipment from China marketed at women engaged to men who make 40k who just handed them a 3ct ring who want to test it themselves.

It sounds like you do not understand the chemistry of diamonds. A lab grown diamond can be made indistinguishable from a natural diamond. They just add trace elements/impurities to mimic the imperfections found in natural diamonds. There is no way to tell the difference.

GIA iD100 use spectroscopy to analyze the diamond's light absorption patterns and trace impurities. It gives you percentages of trace impurities. A lab grown and natural diamonds are the same. The diamond industry are lying when they say they can tell the difference because there is no difference. It is just marketing.

You can take a spectroscopy report, make a recipes based on it and produce diamonds. You can even add nitrogen bubbles and growth patterns.

This is absolutely incorrect. GIA will tell you without a doubt if it's lab vs natural for less than $100. I'm not sure why you're fighting it. Did you gift a lab one as earth mined and now you're sweating? There's no cartel in NYC, the real cartel is at the excavation level.
I don't have a bone in the fight, I only wear original antique ones.

I am telling you the science does not back up your statement or the GIA. There is no way to tell the difference. You are absolutely wrong. It all just marketing. There is no value in “antique” diamonds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you live in the DC area, especially the DCUM demographic, real diamonds will never be worth it. Go to other parts of the country, including the UES of NYC, and you'll get very different answers.

It really depends on your social circles.

The little secret is there is no way to tell if a diamond is lab grown or natural. They say 50% of natural diamonds are actually labs. The certifications are faked.

New York is the heart of the diamond cartel in the US. Of course they will push natural diamonds. Though do you really think all those natural diamond is real? No way.

The bolded is not true. There is equipment now that can id lab diamonds. It has been around for a few years and is more common now. Lab diamonds did make their way to jewelers though. Most jewelers didnt have the equipment to test just a few years ago.

People will post and say lab diamonds are inscribed with codes to id them as labs. Nope. Not all of them. Without a doubt, they found their way to jewelers.

Can you share your sources for this? Would love to know more!

Wtf, learn to google. A million articles on this.

Yes lol just try to screen to remove all the “do not work”, unbiased testing, blind testing, fraud, etc. There is no way to tell the difference.

Not PP. But it is easy to tell the difference with the right equipment, which most certified appraisers have and all GIA labs have. This "do not work" stuff you are seeing on the web is probably cheap bs equipment from China marketed at women engaged to men who make 40k who just handed them a 3ct ring who want to test it themselves.

It sounds like you do not understand the chemistry of diamonds. A lab grown diamond can be made indistinguishable from a natural diamond. They just add trace elements/impurities to mimic the imperfections found in natural diamonds. There is no way to tell the difference.

GIA iD100 use spectroscopy to analyze the diamond's light absorption patterns and trace impurities. It gives you percentages of trace impurities. A lab grown and natural diamonds are the same. The diamond industry are lying when they say they can tell the difference because there is no difference. It is just marketing.

You can take a spectroscopy report, make a recipes based on it and produce diamonds. You can even add nitrogen bubbles and growth patterns.

This is absolutely incorrect. GIA will tell you without a doubt if it's lab vs natural for less than $100. I'm not sure why you're fighting it. Did you gift a lab one as earth mined and now you're sweating? There's no cartel in NYC, the real cartel is at the excavation level.
I don't have a bone in the fight, I only wear original antique ones.

I am telling you the science does not back up your statement or the GIA. There is no way to tell the difference. You are absolutely wrong. It all just marketing. There is no value in “antique” diamonds.

They are laser inscribed as labs and many labs made through HPT test as mossinaite. There are absolutely ways to tell. There is also value in antiques. Saying there’s not does not make it so. The market says otherwise.

[Anonymous]

The diamond market is collapsing and will continue to do so. It is hard for those who spent $$$ on mined diamonds or work in that area. They are trying to make it seem like lab created diamonds aren’t an exact substitute but we all know they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The diamond market is collapsing and will continue to do so. It is hard for those who spent $$$ on mined diamonds or work in that area. They are trying to make it seem like lab created diamonds aren’t an exact substitute but we all know they are.

And as someone who lives sparkly diamonds, I am super happy.

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Anonymous wrote:If you live in the DC area, especially the DCUM demographic, real diamonds will never be worth it. Go to other parts of the country, including the UES of NYC, and you'll get very different answers.

It really depends on your social circles.

The little secret is there is no way to tell if a diamond is lab grown or natural. They say 50% of natural diamonds are actually labs. The certifications are faked.

New York is the heart of the diamond cartel in the US. Of course they will push natural diamonds. Though do you really think all those natural diamond is real? No way.

The bolded is not true. There is equipment now that can id lab diamonds. It has been around for a few years and is more common now. Lab diamonds did make their way to jewelers though. Most jewelers didnt have the equipment to test just a few years ago.

People will post and say lab diamonds are inscribed with codes to id them as labs. Nope. Not all of them. Without a doubt, they found their way to jewelers.

Can you share your sources for this? Would love to know more!

Wtf, learn to google. A million articles on this.

Yes lol just try to screen to remove all the “do not work”, unbiased testing, blind testing, fraud, etc. There is no way to tell the difference.

Not PP. But it is easy to tell the difference with the right equipment, which most certified appraisers have and all GIA labs have. This "do not work" stuff you are seeing on the web is probably cheap bs equipment from China marketed at women engaged to men who make 40k who just handed them a 3ct ring who want to test it themselves.

It sounds like you do not understand the chemistry of diamonds. A lab grown diamond can be made indistinguishable from a natural diamond. They just add trace elements/impurities to mimic the imperfections found in natural diamonds. There is no way to tell the difference.

GIA iD100 use spectroscopy to analyze the diamond's light absorption patterns and trace impurities. It gives you percentages of trace impurities. A lab grown and natural diamonds are the same. The diamond industry are lying when they say they can tell the difference because there is no difference. It is just marketing.

You can take a spectroscopy report, make a recipes based on it and produce diamonds. You can even add nitrogen bubbles and growth patterns.

This is absolutely incorrect. GIA will tell you without a doubt if it's lab vs natural for less than $100. I'm not sure why you're fighting it. Did you gift a lab one as earth mined and now you're sweating? There's no cartel in NYC, the real cartel is at the excavation level.
I don't have a bone in the fight, I only wear original antique ones.

accurate ^^

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Anonymous wrote:https://luvansh.com/71784/igi-certified-6-33-g-si2-oval-lab-created-diamond--f

$1400 for a 6 carat now. Not expensive at all in terms of engagement rings.

Clearly someone should do something. We can't have the poors getting access to things that used to signal our status. My DH paid over 100k for my 5 carat ring. This is completely unfair.

I don’t think anyone thinks diamonds signal any kind of status anymore, other than you don’t use your hands much if you have a huge one.

I'm not sure about that. I have a 5 carat diamond ring (natural) and I definitely get treated better. It definitely gets noticed.

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fake diamonds (lab and cz) are identified as such real diamonds are forever