Park city ski patrol on strike

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Anonymous wrote:My FIL took our family and DH’s siblings families to ski Breck for a week.

Accommodations was ski in/out but was average and nothing spectacular. All in with lift tickets (epic), accommodations, flights, transfers it was around 35k. We and DH siblings took care of the food costs for the week. Breck is also the less expensive mountain when it comes to accommodations in CO compared to Vail, Aspen, etc…

1 week =7 days = price of a car

Family of 4 (us) went to Breck for a week last year:

Flights - used miles
Car rental for week- $600
2 bedroom condo, short shuttle ride to lifts, walkable to town- $2000
Epic passes for 4 people- $2800
Season ski rental for kids- $200 (mom and dad own skis)
Total, not including food: about $5000

Obviously, free flights helps, but 5k for a week at Breck is pretty good.

But 5k is not the real cost. You have to add flights for 4 people and that’s about $1400 so you are at $6400. Condo is very cheap and basic I suspect and not at the mountain.

Add food costs and you are looking at 7k. That’s the real price to go the cheap way.

It does not make sense to both say skiing is only for the super rich and then judge someone for staying at a cheaper location. I have often saved money by staying at a motel at hour from PC and still had a great time. I have also brought my own snacks and hot chocolate to cut down on costs. You don't have to stay ski in-ski out, once you are on the mountain skiing is the same no matter where you stay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We’re in PC right now. We’ve come here every year for many years and this is the wirst it has been for lift closures. Last year was low snow totals and they still did not have as much closed. Many days, the most basic lifts that service a good portion of the skiing are closed (for people who know PC, Tombstone lift in Cantons has been completely closed the last 2 days). Vail claims it’s for snow safety but that’s complete BS. It’s the strike. Loft lines are very long - 40+ minutes for one lift and the runs that are open are over crowded. If you have plans to come here during the strike, I’d strongly reconsider.

Alta was fantastic today. Mostly all open. Great snow. Hardly waited in lines.

Alta is always fantastic. Don’t tell anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We’re in PC right now. We’ve come here every year for many years and this is the wirst it has been for lift closures. Last year was low snow totals and they still did not have as much closed. Many days, the most basic lifts that service a good portion of the skiing are closed (for people who know PC, Tombstone lift in Cantons has been completely closed the last 2 days). Vail claims it’s for snow safety but that’s complete BS. It’s the strike. Loft lines are very long - 40+ minutes for one lift and the runs that are open are over crowded. If you have plans to come here during the strike, I’d strongly reconsider.

Alta was fantastic today. Mostly all open. Great snow. Hardly waited in lines.

Alta is always fantastic. Don’t tell anyone.

How was the traffic to get there? If you are staying in PC, getting to Alta with traffic could take a long time.

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Deer Valley and Snowbird are still fine?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We’re in PC right now. We’ve come here every year for many years and this is the wirst it has been for lift closures. Last year was low snow totals and they still did not have as much closed. Many days, the most basic lifts that service a good portion of the skiing are closed (for people who know PC, Tombstone lift in Cantons has been completely closed the last 2 days). Vail claims it’s for snow safety but that’s complete BS. It’s the strike. Loft lines are very long - 40+ minutes for one lift and the runs that are open are over crowded. If you have plans to come here during the strike, I’d strongly reconsider.

Alta was fantastic today. Mostly all open. Great snow. Hardly waited in lines.

Alta is always fantastic. Don’t tell anyone.

We left on 12/30. Alta was great from 12/24 on. We had fantastic snow. Some stuff still wasn't open but we had a great time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Deer Valley and Snowbird are still fine?

Yes, most of the resorts in Utah are on the Ikon pass, not Epic. For the moment, all systems go at Deer Valley, Snowbird, Alta, Brighton, Solitude and Snowbasin.

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Anonymous wrote:Deer Valley and Snowbird are still fine?

Deer Valley is very crowded because the rich folks are skiing there while PC is fubar'd.

Snowbird has a lot of terrain closed because of poor snowpack. Alta seems to be faring better. Issue with Snowbird is that all the trails funnel down to the same two lifts....long lines.

Reddit reporting that things are great at Snowbasin. I'd target that if you're in SLC.

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Anonymous wrote:Starting wages were raised to $21 per hour in 2022, but rising costs equate to what should be a $23 starting wage today. Neighboring resort, Deer Valley, recently raised their starting wage to $23.50 and Powder Mountain-another Utah ski resort-starts ski patrollers at $26 an hour.

A one day lift ticket tomorrow is $328
Three years ago it was $219 for a one day lift ticket. So the ski patrol gets no raise but look how much lift tickets have increased!!

Ten years ago a one day ticket to Aspen was 120. And that felt expensive. Lift tickets have increased exponentially as private equity has taken over ski mountains. We are fairly affluent and skiing has become outrageously expensive for us

It’s like a round of golf. If you want cheap, go to a local par 3 city owned course for $50. If you want the best conditions, amazing views and a vacation experience, go to Pinehurst for $400.

All day experiences run about $300-400. No one is entitled to these. And if you want to do it, pay up.

That all being said, yes the ski patrol deserves more.

Far be it from me to defend golf, but there are not easily accessible municipal ski resorts like there are golf courses. There may be some literal trash hills in the Midwest where you can snag a midweek $60 lift ticket but unless you're in the lower Midwest you then still have to pay for lodging. It's certainly less expensive, and you can do off peak days at Snowshoe for $85, but it's definitely surged so that people who may previously have been able to save up for a Vail no longer can.

Again, you aren’t entitled to a cheap day on the slopes. If skiing was important to you, you’d move closer.

It’s like complaining they charge too much for private Caribbean sailboat charters. Or too much to climb mt Everest. Or helicopter skiing is now out of reach.

The world is full of exclusive activities. Skiing is now one of them if you want the best of the best. If you love to ski you’d move to a location with skiing and you’d get in state discounts. Or you’d buy the epic m/icon pass. There are many ways to make it economical. But you’re complaining about the elite version

Yes, the economical skiing option: Moving to a ski town.

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Anonymous wrote:Deer Valley and Snowbird are still fine?

Deer Valley is very crowded because the rich folks are skiing there while PC is fubar'd.

Snowbird has a lot of terrain closed because of poor snowpack. Alta seems to be faring better. Issue with Snowbird is that all the trails funnel down to the same two lifts....long lines.

Reddit reporting that things are great at Snowbasin. I'd target that if you're in SLC.

DV is the same as it always is this week. They always sell out and hit capacity during holiday weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Starting wages were raised to $21 per hour in 2022, but rising costs equate to what should be a $23 starting wage today. Neighboring resort, Deer Valley, recently raised their starting wage to $23.50 and Powder Mountain-another Utah ski resort-starts ski patrollers at $26 an hour.

A one day lift ticket tomorrow is $328
Three years ago it was $219 for a one day lift ticket. So the ski patrol gets no raise but look how much lift tickets have increased!!

Ten years ago a one day ticket to Aspen was 120. And that felt expensive. Lift tickets have increased exponentially as private equity has taken over ski mountains. We are fairly affluent and skiing has become outrageously expensive for us

It’s like a round of golf. If you want cheap, go to a local par 3 city owned course for $50. If you want the best conditions, amazing views and a vacation experience, go to Pinehurst for $400.

All day experiences run about $300-400. No one is entitled to these. And if you want to do it, pay up.

That all being said, yes the ski patrol deserves more.

Far be it from me to defend golf, but there are not easily accessible municipal ski resorts like there are golf courses. There may be some literal trash hills in the Midwest where you can snag a midweek $60 lift ticket but unless you're in the lower Midwest you then still have to pay for lodging. It's certainly less expensive, and you can do off peak days at Snowshoe for $85, but it's definitely surged so that people who may previously have been able to save up for a Vail no longer can.

Again, you aren’t entitled to a cheap day on the slopes. If skiing was important to you, you’d move closer.

It’s like complaining they charge too much for private Caribbean sailboat charters. Or too much to climb mt Everest. Or helicopter skiing is now out of reach.

The world is full of exclusive activities. Skiing is now one of them if you want the best of the best. If you love to ski you’d move to a location with skiing and you’d get in state discounts. Or you’d buy the epic m/icon pass. There are many ways to make it economical. But you’re complaining about the elite version

Yes, the economical skiing option: Moving to a ski town.

Yes because real estate is so cheap in those towns. s/

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Anonymous wrote:Deer Valley and Snowbird are still fine?

Deer Valley is very crowded because the rich folks are skiing there while PC is fubar'd.

Snowbird has a lot of terrain closed because of poor snowpack. Alta seems to be faring better. Issue with Snowbird is that all the trails funnel down to the same two lifts....long lines.

Reddit reporting that things are great at Snowbasin. I'd target that if you're in SLC.

DV is the same as it always is this week. They always sell out and hit capacity during holiday weeks.

We’re headed to DV over MLK weekend. (Renting out our Cap Hill TH for an obscene amount that long weekend)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We’re in PC right now. We’ve come here every year for many years and this is the wirst it has been for lift closures. Last year was low snow totals and they still did not have as much closed. Many days, the most basic lifts that service a good portion of the skiing are closed (for people who know PC, Tombstone lift in Cantons has been completely closed the last 2 days). Vail claims it’s for snow safety but that’s complete BS. It’s the strike. Loft lines are very long - 40+ minutes for one lift and the runs that are open are over crowded. If you have plans to come here during the strike, I’d strongly reconsider.

Alta was fantastic today. Mostly all open. Great snow. Hardly waited in lines.

Alta is always fantastic. Don’t tell anyone.

How was the traffic to get there? If you are staying in PC, getting to Alta with traffic could take a long time.

It’s not bad. We often stay in park city and drive to Alta for skiing. It’s probably worse on weekends or in a snowstorm - any of those circumstances make the drive into Alta longer. Usually 40 min to an hour? It’s been a few years since I did it.

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Anonymous wrote:Deer Valley and Snowbird are still fine?

Deer Valley is very crowded because the rich folks are skiing there while PC is fubar'd.

Snowbird has a lot of terrain closed because of poor snowpack. Alta seems to be faring better. Issue with Snowbird is that all the trails funnel down to the same two lifts....long lines.

Reddit reporting that things are great at Snowbasin. I'd target that if you're in SLC.

DV is the same as it always is this week. They always sell out and hit capacity during holiday weeks.

I go to Utah almost every year and have only done deer valley once. The lifts and runs are super short, and it’s pretty crowded. It’s “posh” but the skiing is better at almost any other mountain in the area. It also has the lowest elevation so it gets the least snow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Deer Valley and Snowbird are still fine?

Deer Valley is very crowded because the rich folks are skiing there while PC is fubar'd.

Snowbird has a lot of terrain closed because of poor snowpack. Alta seems to be faring better. Issue with Snowbird is that all the trails funnel down to the same two lifts....long lines.

Reddit reporting that things are great at Snowbasin. I'd target that if you're in SLC.

DV is the same as it always is this week. They always sell out and hit capacity during holiday weeks.

I skied DV today and it was great. Night and day to PC. Lots of lifts and runs open and great skiing. But it is SO pricey.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Deer Valley and Snowbird are still fine?

Deer Valley is very crowded because the rich folks are skiing there while PC is fubar'd.

Snowbird has a lot of terrain closed because of poor snowpack. Alta seems to be faring better. Issue with Snowbird is that all the trails funnel down to the same two lifts....long lines.

Reddit reporting that things are great at Snowbasin. I'd target that if you're in SLC.

DV is the same as it always is this week. They always sell out and hit capacity during holiday weeks.

I go to Utah almost every year and have only done deer valley once. The lifts and runs are super short, and it’s pretty crowded. It’s “posh” but the skiing is better at almost any other mountain in the area. It also has the lowest elevation so it gets the least snow.

No. It gets more snow than PC usually because of how it is situated on the mountain.