Park city ski patrol on strike

[Anonymous]

None of the trails to the town lift are open. (So much for ski in ski out properties). You have to ride the town lift back down which takes 25 mins in the afternoon! Some guests going under ropes to use the closed trails to town which are icy and low snow cover/ rocks and stumps abound. Dangerous.

[Anonymous]

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It looks really stupid to be skiing there at all at this point. Anyone can get injured skiing, even experienced skiers, even sticking to easier runs. I can't imagine risking it knowing how few ski patrol are available in the case of an accident and how long you might spend stuck on the mountain waiting. Imagine being out with a child and getting hurt or your kid gets hurt. I would not risk it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump needs to fire these union types and bring in some immigrants to do these jobs for less.

Oops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of the trails to the town lift are open. (So much for ski in ski out properties). You have to ride the town lift back down which takes 25 mins in the afternoon! Some guests going under ropes to use the closed trails to town which are icy and low snow cover/ rocks and stumps abound. Dangerous.

People staying in Park City and depending on the Town Lift to take them to the slopes do they don’t have to drive should be aware that the future if the town lift is in jeopardy because if Vail.


The original lease agreement is for $10 a year with the Sweeney family who owns the property the Main Street Town Lift is on that us from the 80’s. That agreement specifies the company who owns the the ski resort has to have insurance and pay for claims.

So what does Vail do the first time there is a claim.They deny it. First they say they have insurance then admit they self-insure so don’t have insurance The Sweeney family is now suing to get out if that contract AND selling the land for $27 million. Vail hasn’t shown much interest in buying it.

So they’d us a chance if gets shut down next year.

“The Sweeneys aren’t buying it [Vail’s excuses] and the lease agreement itself states that the insurance for everything the lease covers must be “kept in force during the term of this agreement, general liability insurance in an insurance company satisfactory to the lessors.”

According to the Brothers III [Sweeny Brother] complaint, a skier named Dina Miller slipped and fell while walking in her ski boots in the restroom on Feb. 6, 2023, and sued Vail Resorts and the brothers for negligence this year, on April 26.

The Brothers III tendered a claim in February to Vail Resorts for defense and indemnification from Miller’s claims, in line with the lease agreement. Vail Resorts’ counsel denied their claim, they said.

The brothers reminded Vail Resorts about the lease agreement and tried again with the claim.

Then Aug. 15, the Brothers III sent Vail Resorts a notice of default of the 1981 agreement.

Strachan replied to them Sept. 12, asserting that Vail Resorts was not in default and that the company’s insurance in essence was in line with the agreement.

Then his Oct. 16 letter offered to defend and indemnify Brothers III, with the caveat about keeping options open in the Miller suit to assign fault to the landlords.

The brothers said in the complaint that the deadline for Vail Resorts to cure the defaults had passed Sept. 16. And they filed the lawsuit Friday.

[Anonymous]

Forgot to link article
https://www.parkrecord.com/2024/11/13/town-lift-at-stake-as-landowners-sue-vail-resorts-over-contract-breach/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of the trails to the town lift are open. (So much for ski in ski out properties). You have to ride the town lift back down which takes 25 mins in the afternoon! Some guests going under ropes to use the closed trails to town which are icy and low snow cover/ rocks and stumps abound. Dangerous.

People staying in Park City and depending on the Town Lift to take them to the slopes do they don’t have to drive should be aware that the future if the town lift is in jeopardy because if Vail.


The original lease agreement is for $10 a year with the Sweeney family who owns the property the Main Street Town Lift is on that us from the 80’s. That agreement specifies the company who owns the the ski resort has to have insurance and pay for claims.

So what does Vail do the first time there is a claim.They deny it. First they say they have insurance then admit they self-insure so don’t have insurance The Sweeney family is now suing to get out if that contract AND selling the land for $27 million. Vail hasn’t shown much interest in buying it.

So they’d us a chance if gets shut down next year.

“The Sweeneys aren’t buying it [Vail’s excuses] and the lease agreement itself states that the insurance for everything the lease covers must be “kept in force during the term of this agreement, general liability insurance in an insurance company satisfactory to the lessors.”

According to the Brothers III [Sweeny Brother] complaint, a skier named Dina Miller slipped and fell while walking in her ski boots in the restroom on Feb. 6, 2023, and sued Vail Resorts and the brothers for negligence this year, on April 26.

The Brothers III tendered a claim in February to Vail Resorts for defense and indemnification from Miller’s claims, in line with the lease agreement. Vail Resorts’ counsel denied their claim, they said.

The brothers reminded Vail Resorts about the lease agreement and tried again with the claim.

Then Aug. 15, the Brothers III sent Vail Resorts a notice of default of the 1981 agreement.

Strachan replied to them Sept. 12, asserting that Vail Resorts was not in default and that the company’s insurance in essence was in line with the agreement.

Then his Oct. 16 letter offered to defend and indemnify Brothers III, with the caveat about keeping options open in the Miller suit to assign fault to the landlords.

The brothers said in the complaint that the deadline for Vail Resorts to cure the defaults had passed Sept. 16. And they filed the lawsuit Friday.

This is comically inept. Vail resorts feels like a broke paper tiger.

[Anonymous]

I won’t go back to park city after this. Terrible handling of the situation.

[Anonymous]

Union and vail reached a tentative agreement that is expected to be formalized today. For all of you who have sworn off park city, be cautious because what happened in park city can and is more likely to happen at other resorts now that patrol unions are incentivized to strike.

The arguments for off season healthcare and higher hourly wages are generic across ski resort locations. But the cost of living demands (COLA) for park city were on shakier ground than for places like aspen, vail and Jackson hole, which lack the number of easily commutable communities that park city has. Salt Lake City, Heber, midway, Kamas are all fairly close by. And for those who argue that patrol deserve to live in park city, I would argue that many year round workers are priced out of park city, including restaurant workers, hotel workers, nurses, teachers, coaches, etc, so I’m not convinced that seasonal ski patrol deserves to live there more than our year round workers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Union and vail reached a tentative agreement that is expected to be formalized today. For all of you who have sworn off park city, be cautious because what happened in park city can and is more likely to happen at other resorts now that patrol unions are incentivized to strike.

The arguments for off season healthcare and higher hourly wages are generic across ski resort locations. But the cost of living demands (COLA) for park city were on shakier ground than for places like aspen, vail and Jackson hole, which lack the number of easily commutable communities that park city has. Salt Lake City, Heber, midway, Kamas are all fairly close by. And for those who argue that patrol deserve to live in park city, I would argue that many year round workers are priced out of park city, including restaurant workers, hotel workers, nurses, teachers, coaches, etc, so I’m not convinced that seasonal ski patrol deserves to live there more than our year round workers.

Although they reached a deal, it will take weeks to get back to normal. 1/3 of the resort is open and its not like the 2/3 remaining trails are just waiting for more ski patrol to monitor them, they are in terrible condition. Trees/sticks/rocks/vegetation sticking out of them (can be seen from lifts and other trails). If you are going for MLK weekend be warned it may still not be 100%. Additionally, the lodges on the mountain were overrun, busy and served cold food. Since not all on mountain options were not available, the ones that were accessible via open lifts were jam packed. It felt like a lodge at Ski Liberty or the like. Not upscale Park City.

[Anonymous]

Just got back from a week in Park City. I'm glad the strike has been resolved.

It's hard to overstate how poorly Vail managed communications around the strike and the impact on guests. Definitely lessons to be learned for other businesses.

We are supposed to go back later this season and are now debating whether we should, or should go somewhere else. We're on EPIC and don't want to spend on additional tickets at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of the trails to the town lift are open. (So much for ski in ski out properties). You have to ride the town lift back down which takes 25 mins in the afternoon! Some guests going under ropes to use the closed trails to town which are icy and low snow cover/ rocks and stumps abound. Dangerous.

People staying in Park City and depending on the Town Lift to take them to the slopes do they don’t have to drive should be aware that the future if the town lift is in jeopardy because if Vail.


The original lease agreement is for $10 a year with the Sweeney family who owns the property the Main Street Town Lift is on that us from the 80’s. That agreement specifies the company who owns the the ski resort has to have insurance and pay for claims.

So what does Vail do the first time there is a claim.They deny it. First they say they have insurance then admit they self-insure so don’t have insurance The Sweeney family is now suing to get out if that contract AND selling the land for $27 million. Vail hasn’t shown much interest in buying it.

So they’d us a chance if gets shut down next year.

“The Sweeneys aren’t buying it [Vail’s excuses] and the lease agreement itself states that the insurance for everything the lease covers must be “kept in force during the term of this agreement, general liability insurance in an insurance company satisfactory to the lessors.”

According to the Brothers III [Sweeny Brother] complaint, a skier named Dina Miller slipped and fell while walking in her ski boots in the restroom on Feb. 6, 2023, and sued Vail Resorts and the brothers for negligence this year, on April 26.

The Brothers III tendered a claim in February to Vail Resorts for defense and indemnification from Miller’s claims, in line with the lease agreement. Vail Resorts’ counsel denied their claim, they said.

The brothers reminded Vail Resorts about the lease agreement and tried again with the claim.

Then Aug. 15, the Brothers III sent Vail Resorts a notice of default of the 1981 agreement.

Strachan replied to them Sept. 12, asserting that Vail Resorts was not in default and that the company’s insurance in essence was in line with the agreement.

Then his Oct. 16 letter offered to defend and indemnify Brothers III, with the caveat about keeping options open in the Miller suit to assign fault to the landlords.

The brothers said in the complaint that the deadline for Vail Resorts to cure the defaults had passed Sept. 16. And they filed the lawsuit Friday.

Vail is basically the source of anything that’s bad about skiing, except global warming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Union and vail reached a tentative agreement that is expected to be formalized today. For all of you who have sworn off park city, be cautious because what happened in park city can and is more likely to happen at other resorts now that patrol unions are incentivized to strike.

The arguments for off season healthcare and higher hourly wages are generic across ski resort locations. But the cost of living demands (COLA) for park city were on shakier ground than for places like aspen, vail and Jackson hole, which lack the number of easily commutable communities that park city has. Salt Lake City, Heber, midway, Kamas are all fairly close by. And for those who argue that patrol deserve to live in park city, I would argue that many year round workers are priced out of park city, including restaurant workers, hotel workers, nurses, teachers, coaches, etc, so I’m not convinced that seasonal ski patrol deserves to live there more than our year round workers.

Although they reached a deal, it will take weeks to get back to normal. 1/3 of the resort is open and its not like the 2/3 remaining trails are just waiting for more ski patrol to monitor them, they are in terrible condition. Trees/sticks/rocks/vegetation sticking out of them (can be seen from lifts and other trails). If you are going for MLK weekend be warned it may still not be 100%. Additionally, the lodges on the mountain were overrun, busy and served cold food. Since not all on mountain options were not available, the ones that were accessible via open lifts were jam packed. It felt like a lodge at Ski Liberty or the like. Not upscale Park City.

I went for an hour today and most of the tourists have left - it was nice not to be in a line. It’s actually almost never 100% open at mlk. February is the best time to come. Many locals don’t ski much until after mlk. Sundance is actually a great time to come ski because the slopes are empty.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Union and vail reached a tentative agreement that is expected to be formalized today. For all of you who have sworn off park city, be cautious because what happened in park city can and is more likely to happen at other resorts now that patrol unions are incentivized to strike.

The arguments for off season healthcare and higher hourly wages are generic across ski resort locations. But the cost of living demands (COLA) for park city were on shakier ground than for places like aspen, vail and Jackson hole, which lack the number of easily commutable communities that park city has. Salt Lake City, Heber, midway, Kamas are all fairly close by. And for those who argue that patrol deserve to live in park city, I would argue that many year round workers are priced out of park city, including restaurant workers, hotel workers, nurses, teachers, coaches, etc, so I’m not convinced that seasonal ski patrol deserves to live there more than our year round workers.

Although they reached a deal, it will take weeks to get back to normal. 1/3 of the resort is open and its not like the 2/3 remaining trails are just waiting for more ski patrol to monitor them, they are in terrible condition. Trees/sticks/rocks/vegetation sticking out of them (can be seen from lifts and other trails). If you are going for MLK weekend be warned it may still not be 100%. Additionally, the lodges on the mountain were overrun, busy and served cold food. Since not all on mountain options were not available, the ones that were accessible via open lifts were jam packed. It felt like a lodge at Ski Liberty or the like. Not upscale Park City.

I went for an hour today and most of the tourists have left - it was nice not to be in a line. It’s actually almost never 100% open at mlk. February is the best time to come. Many locals don’t ski much until after mlk. Sundance is actually a great time to come ski because the slopes are empty.

All of the other local resorts like deer Valley are over 70% functional. PC bozos are still under 30%. No way to ski into the town lift for anyone staying in old town.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of the trails to the town lift are open. (So much for ski in ski out properties). You have to ride the town lift back down which takes 25 mins in the afternoon! Some guests going under ropes to use the closed trails to town which are icy and low snow cover/ rocks and stumps abound. Dangerous.

Imagine spending $30-50m on one of the ski-in-ski-out homes in the Colony. The canyon base is much worse off than the PCMR base and old town. The colony primarily comprises billionaires, and I believe they are furious at Vail. They should sell PCMR to Alterra.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Union and vail reached a tentative agreement that is expected to be formalized today. For all of you who have sworn off park city, be cautious because what happened in park city can and is more likely to happen at other resorts now that patrol unions are incentivized to strike.

The arguments for off season healthcare and higher hourly wages are generic across ski resort locations. But the cost of living demands (COLA) for park city were on shakier ground than for places like aspen, vail and Jackson hole, which lack the number of easily commutable communities that park city has. Salt Lake City, Heber, midway, Kamas are all fairly close by. And for those who argue that patrol deserve to live in park city, I would argue that many year round workers are priced out of park city, including restaurant workers, hotel workers, nurses, teachers, coaches, etc, so I’m not convinced that seasonal ski patrol deserves to live there more than our year round workers.

Although they reached a deal, it will take weeks to get back to normal. 1/3 of the resort is open and its not like the 2/3 remaining trails are just waiting for more ski patrol to monitor them, they are in terrible condition. Trees/sticks/rocks/vegetation sticking out of them (can be seen from lifts and other trails). If you are going for MLK weekend be warned it may still not be 100%. Additionally, the lodges on the mountain were overrun, busy and served cold food. Since not all on mountain options were not available, the ones that were accessible via open lifts were jam packed. It felt like a lodge at Ski Liberty or the like. Not upscale Park City.

I went for an hour today and most of the tourists have left - it was nice not to be in a line. It’s actually almost never 100% open at mlk. February is the best time to come. Many locals don’t ski much until after mlk. Sundance is actually a great time to come ski because the slopes are empty.

Bethesdap person here who moved to Park City 5 years ago. I do not ski. But I can you that you are incorrect about locals waiting to ski until MLK. Could not be further from the truth.