What does I don't "really" drink mean (to you)?

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

These things are not the same. Steak has protein, ice cream has calcium, alcohol has poison. There isn't a nutritional value in alcohol, especially the way some of y'all drink it.

You'll try some "red wine has..." and so does a tomato, without the carcinogens.

So yeah, those of us who don't drink (at all) will often hedge it a bit ("I don't really drink") because y'all tend to freak out when we say it's not for us at all.

I think people "freak out" with the condescending judgements, not the 'I don't drink'.

But drinkers *feel judged by our not drinking. We dgaf if you drink.

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

These things are not the same. Steak has protein, ice cream has calcium, alcohol has poison. There isn't a nutritional value in alcohol, especially the way some of y'all drink it.

You'll try some "red wine has..." and so does a tomato, without the carcinogens.

So yeah, those of us who don't drink (at all) will often hedge it a bit ("I don't really drink") because y'all tend to freak out when we say it's not for us at all.

No. It’s because you come off as smug, judgmental prats, just like vegans. Everyone hates you. But you wouldn’t know that, because you’re sitting at home at night, watching The Gilded Age, instead of out being sociable. Stay home with your bustles and muffs, Carrie Nation.

Dp. Actually, you are the smug one when you assume because people like pp and me are alone because we don't drink. We don't need alcohol to be social. While you are anxious and need that drink to calm you we non drinkers are not.

And honestly, we don't care if you 'hate' us.

Eh, cake is not really my thing. I might eat a piece or two in a year, but it generally doesn't excite me so nine times out of ten, if I'm at a party where it's passed around, I just say no thanks. I don't need to tell everyone else that sugar is poison and judge the fact that they choose otherwise. Who cares?

First of all, this is why the response has been to say 'I don't really drink' because drinkers will feel bad about themselves and think you are judging them. So this is the only real place I would say my true opinions...which is there is no good that comes from drinking alcohol. Normally people don't eat cake every night but, if they did I would also think that it isn't healthy either ( but, not say it) Point is both the cake eaters and the drinkers can try to guilt you into joining them which is wrong. If someone sadi no once I would accept it.

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

These things are not the same. Steak has protein, ice cream has calcium, alcohol has poison. There isn't a nutritional value in alcohol, especially the way some of y'all drink it.

You'll try some "red wine has..." and so does a tomato, without the carcinogens.

So yeah, those of us who don't drink (at all) will often hedge it a bit ("I don't really drink") because y'all tend to freak out when we say it's not for us at all.

I think people "freak out" with the condescending judgements, not the 'I don't drink'.

I get this if the non drinker is telling them alcohol is bad, poison or whatever, but why do drinkers automatically feel judged simply by someone saying "no, thanks, I don't really drink" and leaving it at that?

Why don't you leave it at "no thanks?" If someone offers you a piece of cake, do you say "no, thanks, I don't really eat sugar?" It's that little "I'm more virtuous than those of you heathens who partake of [fill in the blank] that's so smarmy and self-righteous.

dp Because drinkers have a tendency to say 'why not?" Come on just have one!

[Anonymous]

I say this all the time. I drink, but not very often. I’m not sober, I’m not opposed to drinking but I do so maybe once every other month. I don’t have a glass of wine with dinner like many I know. No nightcap to unwind. I only drink socially or out to dinner and even then not always. I just frankly don’t feel like it pretty often.

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

These things are not the same. Steak has protein, ice cream has calcium, alcohol has poison. There isn't a nutritional value in alcohol, especially the way some of y'all drink it.

You'll try some "red wine has..." and so does a tomato, without the carcinogens.

So yeah, those of us who don't drink (at all) will often hedge it a bit ("I don't really drink") because y'all tend to freak out when we say it's not for us at all.

No. It’s because you come off as smug, judgmental prats, just like vegans. Everyone hates you. But you wouldn’t know that, because you’re sitting at home at night, watching The Gilded Age, instead of out being sociable. Stay home with your bustles and muffs, Carrie Nation.

You've pickled your brain, dear.

Agreed. What a crazy, psycho response. You know this person drinks waaaay too much when they get this upset about people who aren't addicted like they are. PP you know you have a substance abuse problem and we see it. Your neighbors see it too.

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

It isn't childish because it is correct. There is nothing good that you get from drinking alcohol. And I honestly,
What do you care what I think? If you read the latest studies alcohol is responsible for six different cancers. But. Go ahead and drink. I don't care if you rot your brain or liver. As long as you don't drink and drive it is your life.

No one knows what I think about alcohol but while I don't push you to stop alcoholics will push you to drink or call you names. Like you pp. Maybe you are the immature one. Eh?

DP

I don't drink much, i.e., 3 glasses a year and I totally disagree with the bolded. It is a social lubricant. People with healthy social lives live longer. This has been proven over and over and over. Alcohol is a part of the culture in MANY of the societieswith the longest life spans. As PP said, living in a black and white world is childish. Alcohol is very much grey world. Too much is bad, we know that. A little can be very healthy.

A social lubricant..now I have heard it all...lol You know it is possible to be social and not drink alcohol. Alcohol was just proven to cause six different cancers. If that is your idea of a good time enjoy your cancer. As far as the 'childish' comment goes it is the truth and you are like children who can't handle the knowledge that alcohol is killing you.

For your education: https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health I forgot to post this for all you drinkers out there.

This is a bullshit study for many reasons, including:

“The risk of developing cancer increases substantially the more alcohol is consumed. However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week.”


Drinking 60% of a bottle of whiskey a week or 2 bottles of wine a week is *not* light drinking. It’s at the high end of moderate drinking.

There are other significant fallacies presented in their write up, too. But the idea that anything above 0 raises your chance of cancer in a statistically significant way is just plain stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

It isn't childish because it is correct. There is nothing good that you get from drinking alcohol. And I honestly,
What do you care what I think? If you read the latest studies alcohol is responsible for six different cancers. But. Go ahead and drink. I don't care if you rot your brain or liver. As long as you don't drink and drive it is your life.

No one knows what I think about alcohol but while I don't push you to stop alcoholics will push you to drink or call you names. Like you pp. Maybe you are the immature one. Eh?

DP

I don't drink much, i.e., 3 glasses a year and I totally disagree with the bolded. It is a social lubricant. People with healthy social lives live longer. This has been proven over and over and over. Alcohol is a part of the culture in MANY of the societieswith the longest life spans. As PP said, living in a black and white world is childish. Alcohol is very much grey world. Too much is bad, we know that. A little can be very healthy.

A social lubricant..now I have heard it all...lol You know it is possible to be social and not drink alcohol. Alcohol was just proven to cause six different cancers. If that is your idea of a good time enjoy your cancer. As far as the 'childish' comment goes it is the truth and you are like children who can't handle the knowledge that alcohol is killing you.

For your education: https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health I forgot to post this for all you drinkers out there.

This is a bullshit study for many reasons, including:

“The risk of developing cancer increases substantially the more alcohol is consumed. However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week.”


Drinking 60% of a bottle of whiskey a week or 2 bottles of wine a week is *not* light drinking. It’s at the high end of moderate drinking.

There are other significant fallacies presented in their write up, too. But the idea that anything above 0 raises your chance of cancer in a statistically significant way is just plain stupid.

i have never met a doctor who didn't drink in moderation or who counseled cutting out alcohol altogether.
If you actually look at cancer stats, divide it into specifically the cancers that have drinking as an attributable cause, find the % that are attributed to drinking, and consider moderate drinking then you're solving for something that is one very small part of a much more complex problem.
We need this information for the same reason we need all information eg that any preserved food, sugar, pollution, radon, CT scans, pesticides, chemicals in some clothing and cosmetic and toiletry products, processed foods, plastics (I could go on and on) are carcinogens. But they're not saying all these things WILL give you cancer, they are saying that minimizing your exposure overall is a good mental note. The most important things are to be overall as healthy as you can be. Not to live some kind of terrible spartan lifestyle where you ingest nothing but home grown carrots and wear a hemp sack.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

It isn't childish because it is correct. There is nothing good that you get from drinking alcohol. And I honestly,
What do you care what I think? If you read the latest studies alcohol is responsible for six different cancers. But. Go ahead and drink. I don't care if you rot your brain or liver. As long as you don't drink and drive it is your life.

No one knows what I think about alcohol but while I don't push you to stop alcoholics will push you to drink or call you names. Like you pp. Maybe you are the immature one. Eh?

DP

I don't drink much, i.e., 3 glasses a year and I totally disagree with the bolded. It is a social lubricant. People with healthy social lives live longer. This has been proven over and over and over. Alcohol is a part of the culture in MANY of the societieswith the longest life spans. As PP said, living in a black and white world is childish. Alcohol is very much grey world. Too much is bad, we know that. A little can be very healthy.

A social lubricant..now I have heard it all...lol You know it is possible to be social and not drink alcohol. Alcohol was just proven to cause six different cancers. If that is your idea of a good time enjoy your cancer. As far as the 'childish' comment goes it is the truth and you are like children who can't handle the knowledge that alcohol is killing you.

I know vegan teetotalers who have popped off in their 50s. We're all going to die, might as well have some fun. And have you really never heard that booze is a social lubricant? You must have been living under a rock your whole life, dear. No wonder you haven't had a drink.

Yes, we are all going to die. But, I don't want to die with my liver pickled. I have many alcoholics in my family so I know all about it. Not thanks! And yet instead of just accepting that I don't want to drink and it is a choice you have to insult. I would rather be me than a nasty drunk. and who knows you maybe a pleasant person in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

It isn't childish because it is correct. There is nothing good that you get from drinking alcohol. And I honestly,
What do you care what I think? If you read the latest studies alcohol is responsible for six different cancers. But. Go ahead and drink. I don't care if you rot your brain or liver. As long as you don't drink and drive it is your life.

No one knows what I think about alcohol but while I don't push you to stop alcoholics will push you to drink or call you names. Like you pp. Maybe you are the immature one. Eh?

DP

I don't drink much, i.e., 3 glasses a year and I totally disagree with the bolded. It is a social lubricant. People with healthy social lives live longer. This has been proven over and over and over. Alcohol is a part of the culture in MANY of the societieswith the longest life spans. As PP said, living in a black and white world is childish. Alcohol is very much grey world. Too much is bad, we know that. A little can be very healthy.

A social lubricant..now I have heard it all...lol You know it is possible to be social and not drink alcohol. Alcohol was just proven to cause six different cancers. If that is your idea of a good time enjoy your cancer. As far as the 'childish' comment goes it is the truth and you are like children who can't handle the knowledge that alcohol is killing you.

For your education: https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health I forgot to post this for all you drinkers out there.

This is a bullshit study for many reasons, including:

“The risk of developing cancer increases substantially the more alcohol is consumed. However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week.”


Drinking 60% of a bottle of whiskey a week or 2 bottles of wine a week is *not* light drinking. It’s at the high end of moderate drinking.

There are other significant fallacies presented in their write up, too. But the idea that anything above 0 raises your chance of cancer in a statistically significant way is just plain stupid.

i have never met a doctor who didn't drink in moderation or who counseled cutting out alcohol altogether.
If you actually look at cancer stats, divide it into specifically the cancers that have drinking as an attributable cause, find the % that are attributed to drinking, and consider moderate drinking then you're solving for something that is one very small part of a much more complex problem.
We need this information for the same reason we need all information eg that any preserved food, sugar, pollution, radon, CT scans, pesticides, chemicals in some clothing and cosmetic and toiletry products, processed foods, plastics (I could go on and on) are carcinogens. But they're not saying all these things WILL give you cancer, they are saying that minimizing your exposure overall is a good mental note. The most important things are to be overall as healthy as you can be. Not to live some kind of terrible spartan lifestyle where you ingest nothing but home grown carrots and wear a hemp sack.

Doctors can be addicted just like any other person. Not drinking makes me happier and healthier. Why do you care why I don't drink?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

It isn't childish because it is correct. There is nothing good that you get from drinking alcohol. And I honestly,
What do you care what I think? If you read the latest studies alcohol is responsible for six different cancers. But. Go ahead and drink. I don't care if you rot your brain or liver. As long as you don't drink and drive it is your life.

No one knows what I think about alcohol but while I don't push you to stop alcoholics will push you to drink or call you names. Like you pp. Maybe you are the immature one. Eh?

DP

I don't drink much, i.e., 3 glasses a year and I totally disagree with the bolded. It is a social lubricant. People with healthy social lives live longer. This has been proven over and over and over. Alcohol is a part of the culture in MANY of the societieswith the longest life spans. As PP said, living in a black and white world is childish. Alcohol is very much grey world. Too much is bad, we know that. A little can be very healthy.

A social lubricant..now I have heard it all...lol You know it is possible to be social and not drink alcohol. Alcohol was just proven to cause six different cancers. If that is your idea of a good time enjoy your cancer. As far as the 'childish' comment goes it is the truth and you are like children who can't handle the knowledge that alcohol is killing you.

For your education: https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health I forgot to post this for all you drinkers out there.

This is a bullshit study for many reasons, including:

“The risk of developing cancer increases substantially the more alcohol is consumed. However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week.”


Drinking 60% of a bottle of whiskey a week or 2 bottles of wine a week is *not* light drinking. It’s at the high end of moderate drinking.

There are other significant fallacies presented in their write up, too. But the idea that anything above 0 raises your chance of cancer in a statistically significant way is just plain stupid.

i have never met a doctor who didn't drink in moderation or who counseled cutting out alcohol altogether.
If you actually look at cancer stats, divide it into specifically the cancers that have drinking as an attributable cause, find the % that are attributed to drinking, and consider moderate drinking then you're solving for something that is one very small part of a much more complex problem.
We need this information for the same reason we need all information eg that any preserved food, sugar, pollution, radon, CT scans, pesticides, chemicals in some clothing and cosmetic and toiletry products, processed foods, plastics (I could go on and on) are carcinogens. But they're not saying all these things WILL give you cancer, they are saying that minimizing your exposure overall is a good mental note. The most important things are to be overall as healthy as you can be. Not to live some kind of terrible spartan lifestyle where you ingest nothing but home grown carrots and wear a hemp sack.

Doctors can be addicted just like any other person. Not drinking makes me happier and healthier. Why do you care why I don't drink?

Literally no one cares if you drink. That’s just the chip on your shoulder, your sanctimonious attitude, and your insecurity talking.

But the idea that you’re “healthier” bc you drink 0 vs someone who drinks occasionally is ludicrous.

[Anonymous]

I don't really drink means imo that I seldom drink although not a teetotaler or sober and this isn't a time I choose to drink, thanks anyway.
Now if it were a celebration or really great wine that might become yes that looks great, I would like a glass.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

These things are not the same. Steak has protein, ice cream has calcium, alcohol has poison. There isn't a nutritional value in alcohol, especially the way some of y'all drink it.

You'll try some "red wine has..." and so does a tomato, without the carcinogens.

So yeah, those of us who don't drink (at all) will often hedge it a bit ("I don't really drink") because y'all tend to freak out when we say it's not for us at all.

No. It’s because you come off as smug, judgmental prats, just like vegans. Everyone hates you. But you wouldn’t know that, because you’re sitting at home at night, watching The Gilded Age, instead of out being sociable. Stay home with your bustles and muffs, Carrie Nation.

You've pickled your brain, dear.

Agreed. What a crazy, psycho response. You know this person drinks waaaay too much when they get this upset about people who aren't addicted like they are. PP you know you have a substance abuse problem and we see it. Your neighbors see it too.

My neighbors are at my party, having fun with me. But I don't live in DC, where fun goes to die.

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

It isn't childish because it is correct. There is nothing good that you get from drinking alcohol. And I honestly,
What do you care what I think? If you read the latest studies alcohol is responsible for six different cancers. But. Go ahead and drink. I don't care if you rot your brain or liver. As long as you don't drink and drive it is your life.

No one knows what I think about alcohol but while I don't push you to stop alcoholics will push you to drink or call you names. Like you pp. Maybe you are the immature one. Eh?

DP

I don't drink much, i.e., 3 glasses a year and I totally disagree with the bolded. It is a social lubricant. People with healthy social lives live longer. This has been proven over and over and over. Alcohol is a part of the culture in MANY of the societieswith the longest life spans. As PP said, living in a black and white world is childish. Alcohol is very much grey world. Too much is bad, we know that. A little can be very healthy.

A social lubricant..now I have heard it all...lol You know it is possible to be social and not drink alcohol. Alcohol was just proven to cause six different cancers. If that is your idea of a good time enjoy your cancer. As far as the 'childish' comment goes it is the truth and you are like children who can't handle the knowledge that alcohol is killing you.

For your education: https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health I forgot to post this for all you drinkers out there.

This is a bullshit study for many reasons, including:

“The risk of developing cancer increases substantially the more alcohol is consumed. However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week.”


Drinking 60% of a bottle of whiskey a week or 2 bottles of wine a week is *not* light drinking. It’s at the high end of moderate drinking.

There are other significant fallacies presented in their write up, too. But the idea that anything above 0 raises your chance of cancer in a statistically significant way is just plain stupid.

i have never met a doctor who didn't drink in moderation or who counseled cutting out alcohol altogether.
If you actually look at cancer stats, divide it into specifically the cancers that have drinking as an attributable cause, find the % that are attributed to drinking, and consider moderate drinking then you're solving for something that is one very small part of a much more complex problem.
We need this information for the same reason we need all information eg that any preserved food, sugar, pollution, radon, CT scans, pesticides, chemicals in some clothing and cosmetic and toiletry products, processed foods, plastics (I could go on and on) are carcinogens. But they're not saying all these things WILL give you cancer, they are saying that minimizing your exposure overall is a good mental note. The most important things are to be overall as healthy as you can be. Not to live some kind of terrible spartan lifestyle where you ingest nothing but home grown carrots and wear a hemp sack.

Doctors can be addicted just like any other person. Not drinking makes me happier and healthier. Why do you care why I don't drink?

Literally no one cares if you drink. That’s just the chip on your shoulder, your sanctimonious attitude, and your insecurity talking.

But the idea that you’re “healthier” bc you drink 0 vs someone who drinks occasionally is ludicrous.

How do you know I am not healthier because I don't drink? You can not convince me it is healthy. Plus I do not enjoy it and it is expensive. All negatives in my opinion.

If you are so secure in your drinking than you wouldn't really care if I didn't. The one thing I am secure about is my non drinking. You can drink all you want or as little as you want. It has zero impact on me.

But keep thinking I am the one with the chip on my shoulder or than you aren't the sanctimonios one. I never tell anyone my opinion about their drinking in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:That's something I would say if my 14 yo was with me too!

Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

It isn't childish because it is correct. There is nothing good that you get from drinking alcohol. And I honestly,
What do you care what I think? If you read the latest studies alcohol is responsible for six different cancers. But. Go ahead and drink. I don't care if you rot your brain or liver. As long as you don't drink and drive it is your life.

No one knows what I think about alcohol but while I don't push you to stop alcoholics will push you to drink or call you names. Like you pp. Maybe you are the immature one. Eh?

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I don't drink much, i.e., 3 glasses a year and I totally disagree with the bolded. It is a social lubricant. People with healthy social lives live longer. This has been proven over and over and over. Alcohol is a part of the culture in MANY of the societieswith the longest life spans. As PP said, living in a black and white world is childish. Alcohol is very much grey world. Too much is bad, we know that. A little can be very healthy.

A social lubricant..now I have heard it all...lol You know it is possible to be social and not drink alcohol. Alcohol was just proven to cause six different cancers. If that is your idea of a good time enjoy your cancer. As far as the 'childish' comment goes it is the truth and you are like children who can't handle the knowledge that alcohol is killing you.

For your education: https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health I forgot to post this for all you drinkers out there.

This is a bullshit study for many reasons, including:

“The risk of developing cancer increases substantially the more alcohol is consumed. However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week.”


Drinking 60% of a bottle of whiskey a week or 2 bottles of wine a week is *not* light drinking. It’s at the high end of moderate drinking.

There are other significant fallacies presented in their write up, too. But the idea that anything above 0 raises your chance of cancer in a statistically significant way is just plain stupid.

i have never met a doctor who didn't drink in moderation or who counseled cutting out alcohol altogether.
If you actually look at cancer stats, divide it into specifically the cancers that have drinking as an attributable cause, find the % that are attributed to drinking, and consider moderate drinking then you're solving for something that is one very small part of a much more complex problem.
We need this information for the same reason we need all information eg that any preserved food, sugar, pollution, radon, CT scans, pesticides, chemicals in some clothing and cosmetic and toiletry products, processed foods, plastics (I could go on and on) are carcinogens. But they're not saying all these things WILL give you cancer, they are saying that minimizing your exposure overall is a good mental note. The most important things are to be overall as healthy as you can be. Not to live some kind of terrible spartan lifestyle where you ingest nothing but home grown carrots and wear a hemp sack.

I personally know a few alcoholic MDs.

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Really? Lying is more acceptable to you than responsibly and moderately imbibing?

There is no acceptable amount that is healthy. But if he said that then drinkers would get upset.

I don’t see where I said drinking was healthy. But responsible, moderate drinking can be part of a healthy life, just as eating a steak or a bowl of ice cream can be. You don’t need to be abstinent to be healthy. This black or white thinking is so off-putting and frankly childish. It’s how I thought when I was 8.

These things are not the same. Steak has protein, ice cream has calcium, alcohol has poison. There isn't a nutritional value in alcohol, especially the way some of y'all drink it.

You'll try some "red wine has..." and so does a tomato, without the carcinogens.

So yeah, those of us who don't drink (at all) will often hedge it a bit ("I don't really drink") because y'all tend to freak out when we say it's not for us at all.

No. It’s because you come off as smug, judgmental prats, just like vegans. Everyone hates you. But you wouldn’t know that, because you’re sitting at home at night, watching The Gilded Age, instead of out being sociable. Stay home with your bustles and muffs, Carrie Nation.

You've pickled your brain, dear.

Agreed. What a crazy, psycho response. You know this person drinks waaaay too much when they get this upset about people who aren't addicted like they are. PP you know you have a substance abuse problem and we see it. Your neighbors see it too.

My neighbors are at my party, having fun with me. But I don't live in DC, where fun goes to die.

Sober people are not a glum lot, and our parties are memorable. Your neighbors "like" you because you're all drunks, and parties at your house = drinking for free. This is "fun"?

No. It's addict behavior. Addiction is where fun goes to die.

Have fun with your neighbors sober. Then we'll be impressed.