The DMV needs a YIMBY revolution

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't YIMBYs be happy living in their crowded apartment buildings in NoMa or Navy Yard, or whatever the new hotspot is, and walking to whatever fancy restaurants and gyms make them happy, and leave the rest of us alone? It always feels like, deep down, they are miserable and want to spread that misery to everyone.


Your taxes are the only way they’ll fund all of the services they want but can’t afford.

YIMBYs are the result of society giving an entire generation trophies for losing.


This. Young and stupid. At least when we were young and stupid we didn't have a voice. They have one now are trying to ruin the country. Grow up or move to another country more to your liking, OP.


DP. Since this is happening, maybe you're the one who will need to accept it or move to another country to more to your liking?


It is people like you who will cause an insane person like Tr*mp to get elected. The majority of the US doesn't believe in your ultra-progressive causes. You even turn off those of use who want progress. You push too hard too fast and the cause breaks and you lose ground.


Trump is definitely going to win now that Kamala is embracing YIMBYs obsessed with eliminating single family zoning and destroying the suburbs. This will destroy her chances of winning many swing states. Americans don’t want to hear virtue signaling from Obama about how everyone else should have apartments in their backyard while he enjoys his multi-million dollar Hamptons beach house.


That's probably what it looks like in your right-wing on-line bubble, which you spend so much time in that you can't perceive how weird this seems to everyone else.


I live in an area that mostly votes democrat, but my neighbors are pissed about this. There is a significant subset of suburban Dems that don’t want these YIMBY policies
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Anonymous wrote:Why can't YIMBYs be happy living in their crowded apartment buildings in NoMa or Navy Yard, or whatever the new hotspot is, and walking to whatever fancy restaurants and gyms make them happy, and leave the rest of us alone? It always feels like, deep down, they are miserable and want to spread that misery to everyone.


Your taxes are the only way they’ll fund all of the services they want but can’t afford.

YIMBYs are the result of society giving an entire generation trophies for losing.


This. Young and stupid. At least when we were young and stupid we didn't have a voice. They have one now are trying to ruin the country. Grow up or move to another country more to your liking, OP.


DP. Since this is happening, maybe you're the one who will need to accept it or move to another country to more to your liking?


It is people like you who will cause an insane person like Tr*mp to get elected. The majority of the US doesn't believe in your ultra-progressive causes. You even turn off those of use who want progress. You push too hard too fast and the cause breaks and you lose ground.


Trump is definitely going to win now that Kamala is embracing YIMBYs obsessed with eliminating single family zoning and destroying the suburbs. This will destroy her chances of winning many swing states. Americans don’t want to hear virtue signaling from Obama about how everyone else should have apartments in their backyard while he enjoys his multi-million dollar Hamptons beach house.


Lol what batsh*t crazy propaganda outlet did this come from
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Anonymous wrote:Why can't YIMBYs be happy living in their crowded apartment buildings in NoMa or Navy Yard, or whatever the new hotspot is, and walking to whatever fancy restaurants and gyms make them happy, and leave the rest of us alone? It always feels like, deep down, they are miserable and want to spread that misery to everyone.


Your taxes are the only way they’ll fund all of the services they want but can’t afford.

YIMBYs are the result of society giving an entire generation trophies for losing.


This. Young and stupid. At least when we were young and stupid we didn't have a voice. They have one now are trying to ruin the country. Grow up or move to another country more to your liking, OP.


DP. Since this is happening, maybe you're the one who will need to accept it or move to another country to more to your liking?


It is people like you who will cause an insane person like Tr*mp to get elected. The majority of the US doesn't believe in your ultra-progressive causes. You even turn off those of use who want progress. You push too hard too fast and the cause breaks and you lose ground.


Trump is definitely going to win now that Kamala is embracing YIMBYs obsessed with eliminating single family zoning and destroying the suburbs. This will destroy her chances of winning many swing states. Americans don’t want to hear virtue signaling from Obama about how everyone else should have apartments in their backyard while he enjoys his multi-million dollar Hamptons beach house.


Nice try, but the federal government doesn't control local zoning decisions. And it's kind of funny to suggest that real-estate developer Trump will be better for homeowners; if Trump could, he would probably raze single-family home neighborhoods and let his developer friends take them over.
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Anonymous wrote:Why can't YIMBYs be happy living in their crowded apartment buildings in NoMa or Navy Yard, or whatever the new hotspot is, and walking to whatever fancy restaurants and gyms make them happy, and leave the rest of us alone? It always feels like, deep down, they are miserable and want to spread that misery to everyone.


Your taxes are the only way they’ll fund all of the services they want but can’t afford.

YIMBYs are the result of society giving an entire generation trophies for losing.


This. Young and stupid. At least when we were young and stupid we didn't have a voice. They have one now are trying to ruin the country. Grow up or move to another country more to your liking, OP.


DP. Since this is happening, maybe you're the one who will need to accept it or move to another country to more to your liking?


It is people like you who will cause an insane person like Tr*mp to get elected. The majority of the US doesn't believe in your ultra-progressive causes. You even turn off those of use who want progress. You push too hard too fast and the cause breaks and you lose ground.


Trump is definitely going to win now that Kamala is embracing YIMBYs obsessed with eliminating single family zoning and destroying the suburbs. This will destroy her chances of winning many swing states. Americans don’t want to hear virtue signaling from Obama about how everyone else should have apartments in their backyard while he enjoys his multi-million dollar Hamptons beach house.


That's probably what it looks like in your right-wing on-line bubble, which you spend so much time in that you can't perceive how weird this seems to everyone else.


I live in an area that mostly votes democrat, but my neighbors are pissed about this. There is a significant subset of suburban Dems that don’t want these YIMBY policies


Even the site owner, who seems to be fairly well measured in responses, called out the YIMBY extremism on his most popular threads of the day post.

It’s a good read, really.
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Anonymous wrote:Why can't YIMBYs be happy living in their crowded apartment buildings in NoMa or Navy Yard, or whatever the new hotspot is, and walking to whatever fancy restaurants and gyms make them happy, and leave the rest of us alone? It always feels like, deep down, they are miserable and want to spread that misery to everyone.


Your taxes are the only way they’ll fund all of the services they want but can’t afford.

YIMBYs are the result of society giving an entire generation trophies for losing.


This. Young and stupid. At least when we were young and stupid we didn't have a voice. They have one now are trying to ruin the country. Grow up or move to another country more to your liking, OP.


DP. Since this is happening, maybe you're the one who will need to accept it or move to another country to more to your liking?


It is people like you who will cause an insane person like Tr*mp to get elected. The majority of the US doesn't believe in your ultra-progressive causes. You even turn off those of use who want progress. You push too hard too fast and the cause breaks and you lose ground.


Trump is definitely going to win now that Kamala is embracing YIMBYs obsessed with eliminating single family zoning and destroying the suburbs. This will destroy her chances of winning many swing states. Americans don’t want to hear virtue signaling from Obama about how everyone else should have apartments in their backyard while he enjoys his multi-million dollar Hamptons beach house.


That's probably what it looks like in your right-wing on-line bubble, which you spend so much time in that you can't perceive how weird this seems to everyone else.


I live in an area that mostly votes democrat, but my neighbors are pissed about this. There is a significant subset of suburban Dems that don’t want these YIMBY policies

+1 this is most of the left leaning swing voters I know
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It costs $$$$ to build anything, labor and material costs are out of control. With inflation even cars are way more expensive than before. People who already own homes cannot even afford renovations, how do you think shiny modern highrises can possibly emerge that would be affordable to regular people who cannot afford cra* old houses and condos today.

You think a city of the future will just spring up because aliens will drop an army of robots to make it happen?
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Anonymous wrote:It costs $$$$ to build anything, labor and material costs are out of control. With inflation even cars are way more expensive than before. People who already own homes cannot even afford renovations, how do you think shiny modern highrises can possibly emerge that would be affordable to regular people who cannot afford cra* old houses and condos today.

You think a city of the future will just spring up because aliens will drop an army of robots to make it happen?


Because they will build tiny apartments with thin walls. Ideal for high density living.
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Most of you will hate this but I don’t care. We all need to suck it up and move into the 21st century, 25 years too late.

No more tweaking around the edges with low-level zoning reform or a few more metro stops or buses here and there. We need a broad scale systematic urban planning overhaul that completely eliminates single family zoning anywhere inside the Beltway.

Single family zoning is simply unsustainable. We can’t grow our economy if we don’t have new residents and we can’t have new residents if we don’t have homes. And if we don’t have more homes near better, reliable transit, then everyone will be more miserable stuck in traffic and less productive at work and less economically competitive. We need to completely eliminate suburban sprawl. The 1950s planned communities need to stay in the past. In a perfect world we’d move everyone closer in to promote re-wilding of our exurbs.

Nobody should be living in a single family suburban home and drive an SUV. It should be either urban, dense multi family dwelling walkable 15-minute neighborhoods, or rural homesteads, preferably using their land for organic family farming and solar fields and green spaces.

If it weren’t for American “but muh freedumb!” selfish ideology, I guarantee we would all have a much higher quality of life with less traffic, less stress, stronger communities, less obesity, and a better economy.

Bring on the YIMBY revolution.


I don’t care either. Our neighborhood in DC is covenanted (no racial clauses). Can’t wait, my property value will just keep climbing.


You are so smug, but what you don't realize is these regulations are by right and will override your neighborhood's regulations. If not now, then soon.


DP: I am very smug because my neighborhood has a covenant regarding distance from the center line, building heights, and how many houses can be built on one lot. It can only be changed by agreement of 65% of the homeowners in the neighborhood. So far, one builder tried to build three houses on one full lot and two half lots. Although the lots met all other requirements, the covenant overrode it. Now the builder is stuck with a rental house he bought for nearly $2M because he thought he was smarter than the neighbors. Another builder tried to build a 6 unit Expand Housing Options building. Neighbors shut it down because only one housing unit per lot. Builder now doing a single family. Same thing with another builder who bought a lot and wanted to do two side by sides. Nope, only one house per lot. Until it is worth it for someone to get the homeowners to remove the covenant, I am good. And if they do, it won't cost me anything and my lot will be worth more.
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Anonymous wrote:Sorry you can't afford to live near us, but we like it that way.


There are more of us than you and we can vote. You can’t stop it.


You won't vote me off the land I own. I'm feeling magnanimous and am happy to offer you a one way bus ticket to Baltimore and all of its affordable housing.


Correct (assuming no eminent domain). This is not about the land you own. It's about the land you don't own.


You think you are going to open up a local jurisdiction to many years of expensive legal proceedings to take properties by eminent domain? You might want to attend one meeting when a jurisdiction wants to do something beneficial to a community -- like installing sidewalks -- to realize that eminent domain is not likely to work.
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Anonymous wrote:Why can't YIMBYs be happy living in their crowded apartment buildings in NoMa or Navy Yard, or whatever the new hotspot is, and walking to whatever fancy restaurants and gyms make them happy, and leave the rest of us alone? It always feels like, deep down, they are miserable and want to spread that misery to everyone.


Your taxes are the only way they’ll fund all of the services they want but can’t afford.

YIMBYs are the result of society giving an entire generation trophies for losing.


This. Young and stupid. At least when we were young and stupid we didn't have a voice. They have one now are trying to ruin the country. Grow up or move to another country more to your liking, OP.


DP. Since this is happening, maybe you're the one who will need to accept it or move to another country to more to your liking?


It is people like you who will cause an insane person like Tr*mp to get elected. The majority of the US doesn't believe in your ultra-progressive causes. You even turn off those of use who want progress. You push too hard too fast and the cause breaks and you lose ground.


Trump is definitely going to win now that Kamala is embracing YIMBYs obsessed with eliminating single family zoning and destroying the suburbs. This will destroy her chances of winning many swing states. Americans don’t want to hear virtue signaling from Obama about how everyone else should have apartments in their backyard while he enjoys his multi-million dollar Hamptons beach house.


Lol what batsh*t crazy propaganda outlet did this come from


This is not propaganda, the Democrats mentioned "affordable housing," "Lowering housing costs," "removing dated regulations" and numerous other euphemisms for federal preemption over local control of zoning at the DNC convention. The Federal government will absolutely try to strong arm communities to abolish single family zoning and force them to zone for density they cannot accommodate if Harris is elected. Her administration will use HUD and the DOT to force communities to destroy the suburbs by tying local zoning to federal government funding. This is completely unacceptable and suburban voters will not tolerate this nonsense, Trump is almost guaranteed to win.
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Anonymous wrote:Sorry you can't afford to live near us, but we like it that way.


There are more of us than you and we can vote. You can’t stop it.


Oh sweetie, voting gives you no power. Money gives you power. Power lies in the hands of builders and developers who manipulated Arlington into adopting Expanded Housing Options so that they could raise the cost of housing. But I supposes you could live in one of the affordable housing units in the new Leckie Gardens building.
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Anonymous wrote:It costs $$$$ to build anything, labor and material costs are out of control. With inflation even cars are way more expensive than before. People who already own homes cannot even afford renovations, how do you think shiny modern highrises can possibly emerge that would be affordable to regular people who cannot afford cra* old houses and condos today.

You think a city of the future will just spring up because aliens will drop an army of robots to make it happen?


Because they will build tiny apartments with thin walls. Ideal for high density living.


And no one will know what to do with the multiple trash bins. That and parking are the biggest objects to missing middle housing in Arlington.
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Anonymous wrote:Why can't YIMBYs be happy living in their crowded apartment buildings in NoMa or Navy Yard, or whatever the new hotspot is, and walking to whatever fancy restaurants and gyms make them happy, and leave the rest of us alone? It always feels like, deep down, they are miserable and want to spread that misery to everyone.


Your taxes are the only way they’ll fund all of the services they want but can’t afford.

YIMBYs are the result of society giving an entire generation trophies for losing.


This. Young and stupid. At least when we were young and stupid we didn't have a voice. They have one now are trying to ruin the country. Grow up or move to another country more to your liking, OP.


DP. Since this is happening, maybe you're the one who will need to accept it or move to another country to more to your liking?


It is people like you who will cause an insane person like Tr*mp to get elected. The majority of the US doesn't believe in your ultra-progressive causes. You even turn off those of use who want progress. You push too hard too fast and the cause breaks and you lose ground.


Trump is definitely going to win now that Kamala is embracing YIMBYs obsessed with eliminating single family zoning and destroying the suburbs. This will destroy her chances of winning many swing states. Americans don’t want to hear virtue signaling from Obama about how everyone else should have apartments in their backyard while he enjoys his multi-million dollar Hamptons beach house.


Lol what batsh*t crazy propaganda outlet did this come from


This is not propaganda, the Democrats mentioned "affordable housing," "Lowering housing costs," "removing dated regulations" and numerous other euphemisms for federal preemption over local control of zoning at the DNC convention. The Federal government will absolutely try to strong arm communities to abolish single family zoning and force them to zone for density they cannot accommodate if Harris is elected. Her administration will use HUD and the DOT to force communities to destroy the suburbs by tying local zoning to federal government funding. This is completely unacceptable and suburban voters will not tolerate this nonsense, Trump is almost guaranteed to win.



Hahahaha. Nice try with the fear-mongering.
Anonymous
Every time I see new housing being built whether it is apartments, condos, or single-family homes, it is not cheap or affordable for most. New 1bdr apartments are foing for $2k on the low end. New townhouses are going for $450k on the low end. New 1bdr condos are priced at $400k on the low end. Furthermore, new housing seems to be built with single people or couples without kids in mind. Most new housing is narrow and cramped. Not suitable for families with more than 2-3 people.

Upzoning does not work in the DC area (and probably most major and mid-size cities). At best, it may slow the growth of housing costs, but it does not make it any more affordable with these stagnant wages.

I consider myself a liberal. But people advocating for upzoning in nearly every area where there is single family housing are naive. They do not understand the impact of density on property taxes and how that impacts community resources.
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