The DMV needs a YIMBY revolution

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. Moved to the burbs for more space.

If you don't like it, go move to DC. Keep your urbanist mindset to yourself in the cities.

Many people do not want to live like animals in small cages jam packed into 600 sqft of living space in buildings infested with rodents, bed bugs, flees, and roaches that inevitably come with highly dense housing. You people won't be happy until we live like rats in cage like they do in Hong Kong. Even with all of that massive density in areas like Hing Kong, housing is still unaffordable. Upzoning and density is not the panacea it is cracked up to be.

I live in Hong Kong. I have previously lived in DC, northern VA, and Europe.

One of the things the YIMBY people in the US don’t get is that there are hugely different approaches to infrastructure investment, law enforcement, and general societal expectations.

Hong Kong is a ridiculously low crime city. The subway is clean, modern, and reliable. People here would never tolerate fare jumping, petty crime, or routinely late trains.

If you want people to embrace density, you need to first improve services and law enforcement.

+1. I also lived in a large Asian city, larger than NYC, and much poorer. I would do it again with my family. But I will never live in an American city. Too much crime (petty and violent) , homelessness, weed odors, feral youths, nodding off addicts, and delusional insane hobos.

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Anonymous wrote:Family of 5 here, with two dogs, in a 1400 sqf single family home. Perfectly happy.

That's 280 sqf per person. OP probably is a single dude living in a 1700 sqf apartment.

That's what these idiots don't get.

I apologize, I don't understand what your point is. Is your point that five people plus two dogs can live perfectly happily in 1,400 square feet of living space? I haven't noticed anybody disagreeing with that point.

Just anecdotally, there are very, very, very few 1,700 square foot apartments.

SFH can absolutely work in a city environment, when a situation like yours is common. However, that's not really common any more. Put single people or DINKS in 4,000+ square feet houses, and the SFH model breaks down really quick. Maybe we should require a family to buy Single Family Homes.

No SFHs for childless cat ladies! We knew there is a very Trumpy connection with DC Smart Growth but it seems now that the Density Bros are even channeling J.D. Vance.

SFH will be reserved for the political elite and well-connected. They have very difficult jobs that involve deciding how to spend your money. They need quiet.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. Moved to the burbs for more space.

If you don't like it, go move to DC. Keep your urbanist mindset to yourself in the cities.

Many people do not want to live like animals in small cages jam packed into 600 sqft of living space in buildings infested with rodents, bed bugs, flees, and roaches that inevitably come with highly dense housing. You people won't be happy until we live like rats in cage like they do in Hong Kong. Even with all of that massive density in areas like Hing Kong, housing is still unaffordable. Upzoning and density is not the panacea it is cracked up to be.

I live in Hong Kong. I have previously lived in DC, northern VA, and Europe.

One of the things the YIMBY people in the US don’t get is that there are hugely different approaches to infrastructure investment, law enforcement, and general societal expectations.

Hong Kong is a ridiculously low crime city. The subway is clean, modern, and reliable. People here would never tolerate fare jumping, petty crime, or routinely late trains.

If you want people to embrace density, you need to first improve services and law enforcement.

There are cities in plenty of places in the world that are not surveilled by Electronic Big Brother.

NP. Think you missed the point that density works in these places because they fund the services necessary to support it. In the US it’s just density, density, density, don’t worry we’ll figure out the rest later (but never do).

There are densely-populated urban areas in places that "work" according to the PP, and there are also densely-populated urban areas in places that don't. Cities are not a newfangled trend invented by the YIMBYs, or a luxury good.

And, of course, suburbs require services just as much as cities do, plus suburbs make it much more inefficient - and thus expensive - to deliver those services.

You’d think this would be true when you look at a map and see how spread out suburbs are but cities spend much more per capita than neighboring suburbs. There seems to be no economy of scale and no fiscal benefit from compactness. Savings in not having to build bigger road networks are more than offset in other areas.

You'd think this would be true, and it actually is true.

You’re as confident as you are uninformed.

https://better-cities.org/community-growth-housing/contra-strong-towns/

That's your source? Okey dokey.

It’s a source that reviews other literature on the subject. There’s some question about whether higher costs are inherent to cities or whether the politics of cities consistently produce higher cost outcomes. But either way cities cost more to run. Per capita spending by city governments is consistently higher than that of suburban governments. It’s worth asking why that is instead of denying the fact and continuing to live in a bubble where inconvenient facts don’t intrude.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry you can't afford to live near us, but we like it that way.

There are more of us than you and we can vote. You can’t stop it.

You won't vote me off the land I own. I'm feeling magnanimous and am happy to offer you a one way bus ticket to Baltimore and all of its affordable housing.

Correct (assuming no eminent domain). This is not about the land you own. It's about the land you don't own.

Eminent domain has been popping up in YIMBY literature more lately as a solution to land uses that YIMBYs don’t like.

"YIMBY literature"? What kind of literature is YIMBY literature? Is that a genre, like historical fiction or romance? I'm always looking for good novels to add to my reading list.

GGW is a good example.

It's not a bad blog, for a blog, but I don't really consider blogs to be *literature*.

It’s just a series of opinion pieces. They even turned off commenting to keep out any deprogramming.

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F you. We don't need any more residents.

Now get off my lawn.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry you can't afford to live near us, but we like it that way.

There are more of us than you and we can vote. You can’t stop it.

You won't vote me off the land I own. I'm feeling magnanimous and am happy to offer you a one way bus ticket to Baltimore and all of its affordable housing.

Correct (assuming no eminent domain). This is not about the land you own. It's about the land you don't own.

Eminent domain has been popping up in YIMBY literature more lately as a solution to land uses that YIMBYs don’t like.

"YIMBY literature"? What kind of literature is YIMBY literature? Is that a genre, like historical fiction or romance? I'm always looking for good novels to add to my reading list.

GGW is a good example.

It's not a bad blog, for a blog, but I don't really consider blogs to be *literature*.

It’s just a series of opinion pieces. They even turned off commenting to keep out any deprogramming.

They had to do that because most YIMBY theory can’t survive even light scrutiny.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry you can't afford to live near us, but we like it that way.

There are more of us than you and we can vote. You can’t stop it.

You won't vote me off the land I own. I'm feeling magnanimous and am happy to offer you a one way bus ticket to Baltimore and all of its affordable housing.

Correct (assuming no eminent domain). This is not about the land you own. It's about the land you don't own.

Eminent domain has been popping up in YIMBY literature more lately as a solution to land uses that YIMBYs don’t like.

"YIMBY literature"? What kind of literature is YIMBY literature? Is that a genre, like historical fiction or romance? I'm always looking for good novels to add to my reading list.

GGW is a good example.

It's not a bad blog, for a blog, but I don't really consider blogs to be *literature*.

It’s just a series of opinion pieces. They even turned off commenting to keep out any deprogramming.

So the blog is ... a blog.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry you can't afford to live near us, but we like it that way.

There are more of us than you and we can vote. You can’t stop it.

You won't vote me off the land I own. I'm feeling magnanimous and am happy to offer you a one way bus ticket to Baltimore and all of its affordable housing.

Correct (assuming no eminent domain). This is not about the land you own. It's about the land you don't own.

Eminent domain has been popping up in YIMBY literature more lately as a solution to land uses that YIMBYs don’t like.

Haha that is ridiculous. The courts will definitely shut down this BS.

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I am pretty sure this post is a troll. Nobody can be this stupid. Oh wait, didn't the people who think like this just have a convention in that dump of a city in Illinois?

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't YIMBYs be happy living in their crowded apartment buildings in NoMa or Navy Yard, or whatever the new hotspot is, and walking to whatever fancy restaurants and gyms make them happy, and leave the rest of us alone? It always feels like, deep down, they are miserable and want to spread that misery to everyone.

Your taxes are the only way they’ll fund all of the services they want but can’t afford.

YIMBYs are the result of society giving an entire generation trophies for losing.

This. Young and stupid. At least when we were young and stupid we didn't have a voice. They have one now are trying to ruin the country. Grow up or move to another country more to your liking, OP.

DP. Since this is happening, maybe you're the one who will need to accept it or move to another country to more to your liking?

It is people like you who will cause an insane person like Tr*mp to get elected. The majority of the US doesn't believe in your ultra-progressive causes. You even turn off those of use who want progress. You push too hard too fast and the cause breaks and you lose ground.

Trump is definitely going to win now that Kamala is embracing YIMBYs obsessed with eliminating single family zoning and destroying the suburbs. This will destroy her chances of winning many swing states. Americans don’t want to hear virtue signaling from Obama about how everyone else should have apartments in their backyard while he enjoys his multi-million dollar Hamptons beach house.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't YIMBYs be happy living in their crowded apartment buildings in NoMa or Navy Yard, or whatever the new hotspot is, and walking to whatever fancy restaurants and gyms make them happy, and leave the rest of us alone? It always feels like, deep down, they are miserable and want to spread that misery to everyone.

Your taxes are the only way they’ll fund all of the services they want but can’t afford.

YIMBYs are the result of society giving an entire generation trophies for losing.

This. Young and stupid. At least when we were young and stupid we didn't have a voice. They have one now are trying to ruin the country. Grow up or move to another country more to your liking, OP.

DP. Since this is happening, maybe you're the one who will need to accept it or move to another country to more to your liking?

It is people like you who will cause an insane person like Tr*mp to get elected. The majority of the US doesn't believe in your ultra-progressive causes. You even turn off those of use who want progress. You push too hard too fast and the cause breaks and you lose ground.

Trump is definitely going to win now that Kamala is embracing YIMBYs obsessed with eliminating single family zoning and destroying the suburbs. This will destroy her chances of winning many swing states. Americans don’t want to hear virtue signaling from Obama about how everyone else should have apartments in their backyard while he enjoys his multi-million dollar Hamptons beach house.

That's probably what it looks like in your right-wing on-line bubble, which you spend so much time in that you can't perceive how weird this seems to everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Commies gonna commie

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Anonymous wrote:Commies gonna commie

"Let private property owners decide what to do with their private property!"

-definitely Karl Marx

[Anonymous]

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.

[Anonymous]

Molon labe