China is raising a population that will outshine us

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NP - you are an idiot PP. the fall of US education over the past decades is a serious issue. The problem with Americans nowadays is most go into law sales or LA. There's few engineering and CS grads coming out of top schools. I am a technical recruiter for a F100 global company. 90% of my hires are either foreign born or immigrant US citizens. CS pros are Indian, Chinese or Russian. Some Africans are really good. Americans do MBA/Sales but even that is changing. My friends who hire Finance go to European grad schools now for college recruiting like London School of Econ. If you look at public schools in the US and seriously think they are tops globally you have an intellectual deficit.

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Anonymous wrote:NP - you are an idiot PP. the fall of US education over the past decades is a serious issue. The problem with Americans nowadays is most go into law sales or LA. There's few engineering and CS grads coming out of top schools. I am a technical recruiter for a F100 global company. 90% of my hires are either foreign born or immigrant US citizens. CS pros are Indian, Chinese or Russian. Some Africans are really good. Americans do MBA/Sales but even that is changing. My friends who hire Finance go to European grad schools now for college recruiting like London School of Econ. If you look at public schools in the US and seriously think they are tops globally you have an intellectual deficit.

People have been saying this for decades. For example most MIT grads from the 70s or 80s wouldn’t stand a chance of getting in today. The students at top colleges are significantly more accomplished than 30, 40, 50 years ago. I don’t even think there is an argument that they are not, it is clear as day.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet here we are, with the US being the most advanced country in the history of planet earth. We have the best technology, the best universities, a great system of governance, a huge amount of real freedoms, silicon valley, wall street, NASA, hollywood, the US dollar, and the world's greatest military.

This is like tucker carlson talking about how amazing the subway system is in Moscow.

China is an awful, poor, over-populated country compared to the US by a LONG shot. The economy is country by the government - i.e., the communist party picks the winners and losers.

Sorry, I didn't even click on OP's link, but I'm not afraid of some video showing chinese kids wearing uniforms, eating vegetables, and exercising.

And yet 75% of stuff in your house and in your body is made in that awful country. In fact, the device you used to post this drivel probably came from there too.

Made there, but not invented there…

Second to market makes the most money.

OMG the Chinese crushes us in so many subjects - engineering, education, infrastructure, transportation, technology. The US is really good at sales. That's pretty much it.

I don't even know that we are awesome at inventing any more. We may have a hand in inventing things but def as a partner with other scientists based in foreign lands. Even if American, odds are it's an immigrant or 2nd generation American. But what kind of inventions are you talking about - cause the Chinese invented gun powder, the compass, paper, printing... not sucking in inventions!

Paper? Lol, the Chinese haven’t invented a single invention in 1,000 years. They’re good at rote memorization and practice, but they completely lack in creativity.

Who cares if the average Chinese kid is smarter than the average American one. That’s irrelevant for a society. We don’t need a populace of above average people, we need a few geniuses to make inventions, and revolutionize our lives. Something about our culture allows those few to flourish, whereas the Chinese one does not.

Ask any STEM professor at a college in the US with a big cohort of Chinese nationals. There is often a major academic dishonesty problem in that group. Not to say that there aren’t some brilliant kids, but the cheating is out of control.

Agreed. They cheat at everything.

This is true.

And the trend continues with their scientific publications.

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Anonymous wrote:NP - you are an idiot PP. the fall of US education over the past decades is a serious issue. The problem with Americans nowadays is most go into law sales or LA. There's few engineering and CS grads coming out of top schools. I am a technical recruiter for a F100 global company. 90% of my hires are either foreign born or immigrant US citizens. CS pros are Indian, Chinese or Russian. Some Africans are really good. Americans do MBA/Sales but even that is changing. My friends who hire Finance go to European grad schools now for college recruiting like London School of Econ. If you look at public schools in the US and seriously think they are tops globally you have an intellectual deficit.

Unfortunately, STEM jobs are not considered high status in the USA, despite the ability to earn a good salary. It would probably need something on the level of 1950s/1960s space funding for that to change.

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Anonymous wrote:NP - you are an idiot PP. the fall of US education over the past decades is a serious issue. The problem with Americans nowadays is most go into law sales or LA. There's few engineering and CS grads coming out of top schools. I am a technical recruiter for a F100 global company. 90% of my hires are either foreign born or immigrant US citizens. CS pros are Indian, Chinese or Russian. Some Africans are really good. Americans do MBA/Sales but even that is changing. My friends who hire Finance go to European grad schools now for college recruiting like London School of Econ. If you look at public schools in the US and seriously think they are tops globally you have an intellectual deficit.

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Anonymous wrote:I just watched a video from a non-Chinese teacher who currently teaches over there…so, not Chinese propaganda.

The classrooms are large and clean, the kids wear uniforms, they eat real food (including veggies!), they are fit and focused.

The teach dance in kindergarten. You know why? It’s a fun and age appropriate way to equip kids to learn how to memorize. They memorize the dance routines.

I went to catholic school in the dc metro area a million years ago and we were taught how to memorize. My kids were never taught these skills by local public schools…and that’s a mistake.

There’s a reason why certain skills (including foreign language skills) are best taught when kids are young.

Virtually every other country introduces a second language early on. In the US, we wait until middle school…which is too late.

public schools don't teach memorization specifically??? no wonder I drop 50k/yr

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The discourse here is on point for the political forum but I am bewildered that it is happening over a TikTok of 5 year olds.

Countries aren’t monoliths; neither are the people within them. It’s great to look at videos like this (or anything really) with the mindset of “that’s something I didn’t know before; I wonder if there’s anything I can learn or use here.” No need to blow it up into proof that [country] is the [best/worst] in the world, or start slinging racial stereotypes, whether flattering or insulting.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the same Chinese generation that is walking through the Mexican desert to come to America? Just checking.

Yes, all 1 billion of them are doing it.

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American students, on average, would probably be D- to F students in most Asian school systems in first world Asian countries. Even our brightest would probably only be middle of the pack over there.

Same for most of Europe, not the UK.

They’ve been saying this as far back is I remember. The horrible state of the US education system has been a theme for at least 50 years. Yet, the US economy still outperforms those “better” systems.

Maybe rote memorizing material doesn’t always lead to better real life, non-school, outcomes.

Also having your 50% kid be good at calculus maybe is a misalignment of talent since only a small single digit percent will use advanced math skills.

The vast majority of Tech companies are American. Europe which has been outscoring us on these exams for decades barely has a tech sector. So maybe what/how we teach works. Just look at final outcomes.

The reason why the US economy is as strong as it is now is because of innovation and progress, which is fueled in part by educated immigrants.

That doesn't mean our education system is better than China's, or other countries. The US is behind in most countries. We are just lucky that 1. we escaped WWII without it decimating our country and 2. we let in a lot of hardworking immigrants.

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American students, on average, would probably be D- to F students in most Asian school systems in first world Asian countries. Even our brightest would probably only be middle of the pack over there.

Same for most of Europe, not the UK.

They’ve been saying this as far back is I remember. The horrible state of the US education system has been a theme for at least 50 years. Yet, the US economy still outperforms those “better” systems.

Maybe rote memorizing material doesn’t always lead to better real life, non-school, outcomes.

Also having your 50% kid be good at calculus maybe is a misalignment of talent since only a small single digit percent will use advanced math skills.

The vast majority of Tech companies are American. Europe which has been outscoring us on these exams for decades barely has a tech sector. So maybe what/how we teach works. Just look at final outcomes.

The reason why the US economy is as strong as it is now is because of innovation and progress, which is fueled in part by educated immigrants.

That doesn't mean our education system is better than China's, or other countries. The US is behind in most countries. We are just lucky that 1. we escaped WWII without it decimating our country and 2. we let in a lot of hardworking immigrants.

First, the vast majority of the large tech companies were founded in the 90s and early 2000s. Hardly think a war that ended in 1945 was much of a factor. Europe had modernized by then. Even if you look at recent growing tech companies, say last 10 years, it’s not even a contest of where the innovation is happening 80 years after WW2.

Second, have you looked at immigration stats recently? Spain, Belgium, Italy, UK and others have had higher immigration rates. I’m waiting for all those great tech company from Spain to start dominating any day now…..

The US is 15% immigrants. UK, France 14%. Germany 16%. We are basically at the same level as the big 3 European countries.

Your factors, are not what you think. Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:Asia in general.


American students, on average, would probably be D- to F students in most Asian school systems in first world Asian countries. Even our brightest would probably only be middle of the pack over there.

Same for most of Europe, not the UK.

They’ve been saying this as far back is I remember. The horrible state of the US education system has been a theme for at least 50 years. Yet, the US economy still outperforms those “better” systems.

Maybe rote memorizing material doesn’t always lead to better real life, non-school, outcomes.

Also having your 50% kid be good at calculus maybe is a misalignment of talent since only a small single digit percent will use advanced math skills.

The vast majority of Tech companies are American. Europe which has been outscoring us on these exams for decades barely has a tech sector. So maybe what/how we teach works. Just look at final outcomes.

The reason why the US economy is as strong as it is now is because of innovation and progress, which is fueled in part by educated immigrants.

That doesn't mean our education system is better than China's, or other countries. The US is behind in most countries. We are just lucky that 1. we escaped WWII without it decimating our country and 2. we let in a lot of hardworking immigrants.

First, the vast majority of the large tech companies were founded in the 90s and early 2000s. Hardly think a war that ended in 1945 was much of a factor. Europe had modernized by then. Even if you look at recent growing tech companies, say last 10 years, it’s not even a contest of where the innovation is happening 80 years after WW2.

Second, have you looked at immigration stats recently? Spain, Belgium, Italy, UK and others have had higher immigration rates. I’m waiting for all those great tech company from Spain to start dominating any day now…..

The US is 15% immigrants. UK, France 14%. Germany 16%. We are basically at the same level as the big 3 European countries.

Your factors, are not what you think. Try again.

Yes, it is what I think it is.

Firstly, a lot of the major tech companies talent came from immigrants or descendants of recent immigrants (I worked in SV for a FAANG, Cisco, etc.. for 20 years). Innovation is not just modern tech, but the modern tech built on tech know how from years past. The US was a lot more progressive and open to new ideas than most other countries 50 years ago, and that is what help build the US economy.

Secondly, wealth builds on wealth, and the fact that the US largely escaped the destruction of WWII and was the only super power to come out of that is what helped make it the most powerful country in the world.

Third, the countries you mention are/were part of the EU. The foreign born population there probably takes into account EU foreign born.