DC can’t decide

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Anonymous wrote:For all the posts about name recognition, a student would likely do better on the job market with a 3.9 from JMU or U of SC than a 3.2 from William and Mary. GPA usually trumps name recognition.

Most jobs don’t ask about GPA. They do want to know where you got your degree though.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, sometimes it is all about the money.

If you look at the WSJ analysis of grads in different careers...W&M does very well on 6 of the 9 lists, JMU shows up on two of the lists and South Carolina never makes the cut on any of the lists.

https://www.wsj.com/news/collection/college-pay-80428504

Rankings and lists don't matter if a kid is unhappy because the school is the wrong fit. It's really not all about the money.

+1. I can see the appeal of U of SC for sure. In fact, I'd probably pick it myself if I was in OP's kid's position. Not because W&M isn't a more prestigious/higher ranked institution...everyone knows it is. But that's not the only consideration.

I can’t. Like the vast majority of people, I care about outcomes. So does my kid.

I don’t see any reason at all to pick South Carolina over JMU or W&M if the plan is business. If the business program was so good, it would show up on one of these lists for salaries for grads.

Have you ever been to UofSC? Their business facility and presentation were top notch at an open house for admitted students.

Great…so why don’t they show up on the WSJ lists of best paying public universities?

Who cares about the facility and presentation if it doesn’t get results.

JMU is on a bunch of the lists…W&M most of the lists.

You can view UofSC’s business outcomes on their website, they’re not bad at all.

Again, who cares. A bona fide 3rd party in the WSJ shows JMU and W&M are better.

“Not bad” isn’t a ringing endorsement.

A list designed to sell papers is irrelevant.

By listing salaries of graduates? Probably the most relevant lists there are.

Yet you refuse to consider salary data on the UofSC website?

Ok…I looked. South Carolina median finance grad is $73k vs $125k at W&M.

That’s actually a massive diiference. Didn’t think the answer would be so obvious.

How about JMU?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, sometimes it is all about the money.

If you look at the WSJ analysis of grads in different careers...W&M does very well on 6 of the 9 lists, JMU shows up on two of the lists and South Carolina never makes the cut on any of the lists.

https://www.wsj.com/news/collection/college-pay-80428504

Rankings and lists don't matter if a kid is unhappy because the school is the wrong fit. It's really not all about the money.

+1. I can see the appeal of U of SC for sure. In fact, I'd probably pick it myself if I was in OP's kid's position. Not because W&M isn't a more prestigious/higher ranked institution...everyone knows it is. But that's not the only consideration.

I can’t. Like the vast majority of people, I care about outcomes. So does my kid.

I don’t see any reason at all to pick South Carolina over JMU or W&M if the plan is business. If the business program was so good, it would show up on one of these lists for salaries for grads.

Have you ever been to UofSC? Their business facility and presentation were top notch at an open house for admitted students.

Great…so why don’t they show up on the WSJ lists of best paying public universities?

Who cares about the facility and presentation if it doesn’t get results.

JMU is on a bunch of the lists…W&M most of the lists.

You can view UofSC’s business outcomes on their website, they’re not bad at all.

Again, who cares. A bona fide 3rd party in the WSJ shows JMU and W&M are better.

“Not bad” isn’t a ringing endorsement.

A list designed to sell papers is irrelevant.

By listing salaries of graduates? Probably the most relevant lists there are.

Yet you refuse to consider salary data on the UofSC website?

Ok…I looked. South Carolina median finance grad is $73k vs $125k at W&M.

That’s actually a massive diiference. Didn’t think the answer would be so obvious.

How about JMU?

JMU is $75k for accounting vs $70k for South Carolina. JMU is $97k for jobs in consulting while South Carolina is ?? since they don’t list it. However SC doesn’t have any salary over $75k, so I doubt it’s close.

Maybe you can source just one data point showing SC is better than either school in any business discipline.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, sometimes it is all about the money.

If you look at the WSJ analysis of grads in different careers...W&M does very well on 6 of the 9 lists, JMU shows up on two of the lists and South Carolina never makes the cut on any of the lists.

https://www.wsj.com/news/collection/college-pay-80428504

Rankings and lists don't matter if a kid is unhappy because the school is the wrong fit. It's really not all about the money.

+1. I can see the appeal of U of SC for sure. In fact, I'd probably pick it myself if I was in OP's kid's position. Not because W&M isn't a more prestigious/higher ranked institution...everyone knows it is. But that's not the only consideration.

I can’t. Like the vast majority of people, I care about outcomes. So does my kid.

I don’t see any reason at all to pick South Carolina over JMU or W&M if the plan is business. If the business program was so good, it would show up on one of these lists for salaries for grads.

Have you ever been to UofSC? Their business facility and presentation were top notch at an open house for admitted students.

Great…so why don’t they show up on the WSJ lists of best paying public universities?

Who cares about the facility and presentation if it doesn’t get results.

JMU is on a bunch of the lists…W&M most of the lists.

You can view UofSC’s business outcomes on their website, they’re not bad at all.

Again, who cares. A bona fide 3rd party in the WSJ shows JMU and W&M are better.

“Not bad” isn’t a ringing endorsement.

A list designed to sell papers is irrelevant.

By listing salaries of graduates? Probably the most relevant lists there are.

Yet you refuse to consider salary data on the UofSC website?

Ok…I looked. South Carolina median finance grad is $73k vs $125k at W&M.

That’s actually a massive diiference. Didn’t think the answer would be so obvious.

How about JMU?

JMU is $75k for accounting vs $70k for South Carolina. JMU is $97k for jobs in consulting while South Carolina is ?? since they don’t list it. However SC doesn’t have any salary over $75k, so I doubt it’s close.

Maybe you can source just one data point showing SC is better than either school in any business discipline.

Links to your data?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, sometimes it is all about the money.

If you look at the WSJ analysis of grads in different careers...W&M does very well on 6 of the 9 lists, JMU shows up on two of the lists and South Carolina never makes the cut on any of the lists.

https://www.wsj.com/news/collection/college-pay-80428504

Rankings and lists don't matter if a kid is unhappy because the school is the wrong fit. It's really not all about the money.

+1. I can see the appeal of U of SC for sure. In fact, I'd probably pick it myself if I was in OP's kid's position. Not because W&M isn't a more prestigious/higher ranked institution...everyone knows it is. But that's not the only consideration.

I can’t. Like the vast majority of people, I care about outcomes. So does my kid.

I don’t see any reason at all to pick South Carolina over JMU or W&M if the plan is business. If the business program was so good, it would show up on one of these lists for salaries for grads.

Have you ever been to UofSC? Their business facility and presentation were top notch at an open house for admitted students.

Great…so why don’t they show up on the WSJ lists of best paying public universities?

Who cares about the facility and presentation if it doesn’t get results.

JMU is on a bunch of the lists…W&M most of the lists.

You can view UofSC’s business outcomes on their website, they’re not bad at all.

Again, who cares. A bona fide 3rd party in the WSJ shows JMU and W&M are better.

“Not bad” isn’t a ringing endorsement.

A list designed to sell papers is irrelevant.

By listing salaries of graduates? Probably the most relevant lists there are.

Yet you refuse to consider salary data on the UofSC website?

Ok…I looked. South Carolina median finance grad is $73k vs $125k at W&M.

That’s actually a massive diiference. Didn’t think the answer would be so obvious.

How about JMU?

JMU is $75k for accounting vs $70k for South Carolina. JMU is $97k for jobs in consulting while South Carolina is ?? since they don’t list it. However SC doesn’t have any salary over $75k, so I doubt it’s close.

Maybe you can source just one data point showing SC is better than either school in any business discipline.

Np. Please stop making this post about you. Op’s kid doesn’t want to go to W and M. Your desire to keep trying to prove its “superiority” is juvenile

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Anonymous wrote:OP, sometimes it is all about the money.

If you look at the WSJ analysis of grads in different careers...W&M does very well on 6 of the 9 lists, JMU shows up on two of the lists and South Carolina never makes the cut on any of the lists.

https://www.wsj.com/news/collection/college-pay-80428504

Rankings and lists don't matter if a kid is unhappy because the school is the wrong fit. It's really not all about the money.

+1. I can see the appeal of U of SC for sure. In fact, I'd probably pick it myself if I was in OP's kid's position. Not because W&M isn't a more prestigious/higher ranked institution...everyone knows it is. But that's not the only consideration.

I can’t. Like the vast majority of people, I care about outcomes. So does my kid.

I don’t see any reason at all to pick South Carolina over JMU or W&M if the plan is business. If the business program was so good, it would show up on one of these lists for salaries for grads.

Have you ever been to UofSC? Their business facility and presentation were top notch at an open house for admitted students.

Great…so why don’t they show up on the WSJ lists of best paying public universities?

Who cares about the facility and presentation if it doesn’t get results.

JMU is on a bunch of the lists…W&M most of the lists.

You can view UofSC’s business outcomes on their website, they’re not bad at all.

Again, who cares. A bona fide 3rd party in the WSJ shows JMU and W&M are better.

“Not bad” isn’t a ringing endorsement.

A list designed to sell papers is irrelevant.

USNWR?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, sometimes it is all about the money.

If you look at the WSJ analysis of grads in different careers...W&M does very well on 6 of the 9 lists, JMU shows up on two of the lists and South Carolina never makes the cut on any of the lists.

https://www.wsj.com/news/collection/college-pay-80428504

Rankings and lists don't matter if a kid is unhappy because the school is the wrong fit. It's really not all about the money.

+1. I can see the appeal of U of SC for sure. In fact, I'd probably pick it myself if I was in OP's kid's position. Not because W&M isn't a more prestigious/higher ranked institution...everyone knows it is. But that's not the only consideration.

I can’t. Like the vast majority of people, I care about outcomes. So does my kid.

I don’t see any reason at all to pick South Carolina over JMU or W&M if the plan is business. If the business program was so good, it would show up on one of these lists for salaries for grads.

Have you ever been to UofSC? Their business facility and presentation were top notch at an open house for admitted students.

Great…so why don’t they show up on the WSJ lists of best paying public universities?

Who cares about the facility and presentation if it doesn’t get results.

JMU is on a bunch of the lists…W&M most of the lists.

You can view UofSC’s business outcomes on their website, they’re not bad at all.

Again, who cares. A bona fide 3rd party in the WSJ shows JMU and W&M are better.

“Not bad” isn’t a ringing endorsement.

A list designed to sell papers is irrelevant.

By listing salaries of graduates? Probably the most relevant lists there are.

Yet you refuse to consider salary data on the UofSC website?

Ok…I looked. South Carolina median finance grad is $73k vs $125k at W&M.

That’s actually a massive diiference. Didn’t think the answer would be so obvious.

How about JMU?

JMU is $75k for accounting vs $70k for South Carolina. JMU is $97k for jobs in consulting while South Carolina is ?? since they don’t list it. However SC doesn’t have any salary over $75k, so I doubt it’s close.

Maybe you can source just one data point showing SC is better than either school in any business discipline.

Maybe it’s due to lower cost of living in different regions though? If SC grads typically live in lower COL areas than w&m then salaries will also be lower…

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Anonymous wrote:OP, sometimes it is all about the money.

If you look at the WSJ analysis of grads in different careers...W&M does very well on 6 of the 9 lists, JMU shows up on two of the lists and South Carolina never makes the cut on any of the lists.

https://www.wsj.com/news/collection/college-pay-80428504

Rankings and lists don't matter if a kid is unhappy because the school is the wrong fit. It's really not all about the money.

+1. I can see the appeal of U of SC for sure. In fact, I'd probably pick it myself if I was in OP's kid's position. Not because W&M isn't a more prestigious/higher ranked institution...everyone knows it is. But that's not the only consideration.

I can’t. Like the vast majority of people, I care about outcomes. So does my kid.

I don’t see any reason at all to pick South Carolina over JMU or W&M if the plan is business. If the business program was so good, it would show up on one of these lists for salaries for grads.

Have you ever been to UofSC? Their business facility and presentation were top notch at an open house for admitted students.

Great…so why don’t they show up on the WSJ lists of best paying public universities?

Who cares about the facility and presentation if it doesn’t get results.

JMU is on a bunch of the lists…W&M most of the lists.

You can view UofSC’s business outcomes on their website, they’re not bad at all.

Again, who cares. A bona fide 3rd party in the WSJ shows JMU and W&M are better.

“Not bad” isn’t a ringing endorsement.

A list designed to sell papers is irrelevant.

By listing salaries of graduates? Probably the most relevant lists there are.

Yet you refuse to consider salary data on the UofSC website?

Ok…I looked. South Carolina median finance grad is $73k vs $125k at W&M.

That’s actually a massive diiference. Didn’t think the answer would be so obvious.

How about JMU?

JMU is $75k for accounting vs $70k for South Carolina. JMU is $97k for jobs in consulting while South Carolina is ?? since they don’t list it. However SC doesn’t have any salary over $75k, so I doubt it’s close.

Maybe you can source just one data point showing SC is better than either school in any business discipline.

Maybe it’s due to lower cost of living in different regions though? If SC grads typically live in lower COL areas than w&m then salaries will also be lower…

Now with the justifications…that’s what everyone does when there is no data to support it.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, sometimes it is all about the money.

If you look at the WSJ analysis of grads in different careers...W&M does very well on 6 of the 9 lists, JMU shows up on two of the lists and South Carolina never makes the cut on any of the lists.

https://www.wsj.com/news/collection/college-pay-80428504

Rankings and lists don't matter if a kid is unhappy because the school is the wrong fit. It's really not all about the money.

+1. I can see the appeal of U of SC for sure. In fact, I'd probably pick it myself if I was in OP's kid's position. Not because W&M isn't a more prestigious/higher ranked institution...everyone knows it is. But that's not the only consideration.

I can’t. Like the vast majority of people, I care about outcomes. So does my kid.

I don’t see any reason at all to pick South Carolina over JMU or W&M if the plan is business. If the business program was so good, it would show up on one of these lists for salaries for grads.

Have you ever been to UofSC? Their business facility and presentation were top notch at an open house for admitted students.

Great…so why don’t they show up on the WSJ lists of best paying public universities?

Who cares about the facility and presentation if it doesn’t get results.

JMU is on a bunch of the lists…W&M most of the lists.

You can view UofSC’s business outcomes on their website, they’re not bad at all.

Again, who cares. A bona fide 3rd party in the WSJ shows JMU and W&M are better.

“Not bad” isn’t a ringing endorsement.

A list designed to sell papers is irrelevant.

By listing salaries of graduates? Probably the most relevant lists there are.

Yet you refuse to consider salary data on the UofSC website?

Ok…I looked. South Carolina median finance grad is $73k vs $125k at W&M.

That’s actually a massive diiference. Didn’t think the answer would be so obvious.

How about JMU?

JMU is $75k for accounting vs $70k for South Carolina. JMU is $97k for jobs in consulting while South Carolina is ?? since they don’t list it. However SC doesn’t have any salary over $75k, so I doubt it’s close.

Maybe you can source just one data point showing SC is better than either school in any business discipline.

Links to your data?

Look at the f**king WSJ salary lists. The link is in the thread. Get off you ass.

Do you have any primary sources?

WSJ is way more reliable than what a specific college will promote. You don’t have single source anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, sometimes it is all about the money.

If you look at the WSJ analysis of grads in different careers...W&M does very well on 6 of the 9 lists, JMU shows up on two of the lists and South Carolina never makes the cut on any of the lists.

https://www.wsj.com/news/collection/college-pay-80428504

Rankings and lists don't matter if a kid is unhappy because the school is the wrong fit. It's really not all about the money.

+1. I can see the appeal of U of SC for sure. In fact, I'd probably pick it myself if I was in OP's kid's position. Not because W&M isn't a more prestigious/higher ranked institution...everyone knows it is. But that's not the only consideration.

I can’t. Like the vast majority of people, I care about outcomes. So does my kid.

I don’t see any reason at all to pick South Carolina over JMU or W&M if the plan is business. If the business program was so good, it would show up on one of these lists for salaries for grads.

Have you ever been to UofSC? Their business facility and presentation were top notch at an open house for admitted students.

Great…so why don’t they show up on the WSJ lists of best paying public universities?

Who cares about the facility and presentation if it doesn’t get results.

JMU is on a bunch of the lists…W&M most of the lists.

You can view UofSC’s business outcomes on their website, they’re not bad at all.

Again, who cares. A bona fide 3rd party in the WSJ shows JMU and W&M are better.

“Not bad” isn’t a ringing endorsement.

A list designed to sell papers is irrelevant.

By listing salaries of graduates? Probably the most relevant lists there are.

Yet you refuse to consider salary data on the UofSC website?

Ok…I looked. South Carolina median finance grad is $73k vs $125k at W&M.

That’s actually a massive diiference. Didn’t think the answer would be so obvious.

How about JMU?

JMU is $75k for accounting vs $70k for South Carolina. JMU is $97k for jobs in consulting while South Carolina is ?? since they don’t list it. However SC doesn’t have any salary over $75k, so I doubt it’s close.

Maybe you can source just one data point showing SC is better than either school in any business discipline.

Np. Please stop making this post about you. Op’s kid doesn’t want to go to W and M. Your desire to keep trying to prove its “superiority” is juvenile

OP’s kid is trying to decide and JMU is I the mix. Absolutely no reason to pick SC no matter what dumbf**ks like you want to keep claiming.

The reason is simple. To avoid people like you.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, sometimes it is all about the money.

If you look at the WSJ analysis of grads in different careers...W&M does very well on 6 of the 9 lists, JMU shows up on two of the lists and South Carolina never makes the cut on any of the lists.

https://www.wsj.com/news/collection/college-pay-80428504

Rankings and lists don't matter if a kid is unhappy because the school is the wrong fit. It's really not all about the money.

+1. I can see the appeal of U of SC for sure. In fact, I'd probably pick it myself if I was in OP's kid's position. Not because W&M isn't a more prestigious/higher ranked institution...everyone knows it is. But that's not the only consideration.

I can’t. Like the vast majority of people, I care about outcomes. So does my kid.

I don’t see any reason at all to pick South Carolina over JMU or W&M if the plan is business. If the business program was so good, it would show up on one of these lists for salaries for grads.

Have you ever been to UofSC? Their business facility and presentation were top notch at an open house for admitted students.

Great…so why don’t they show up on the WSJ lists of best paying public universities?

Who cares about the facility and presentation if it doesn’t get results.

JMU is on a bunch of the lists…W&M most of the lists.

You can view UofSC’s business outcomes on their website, they’re not bad at all.

Again, who cares. A bona fide 3rd party in the WSJ shows JMU and W&M are better.

“Not bad” isn’t a ringing endorsement.

A list designed to sell papers is irrelevant.

By listing salaries of graduates? Probably the most relevant lists there are.

Yet you refuse to consider salary data on the UofSC website?

Ok…I looked. South Carolina median finance grad is $73k vs $125k at W&M.

That’s actually a massive diiference. Didn’t think the answer would be so obvious.

How about JMU?

JMU is $75k for accounting vs $70k for South Carolina. JMU is $97k for jobs in consulting while South Carolina is ?? since they don’t list it. However SC doesn’t have any salary over $75k, so I doubt it’s close.

Maybe you can source just one data point showing SC is better than either school in any business discipline.

Maybe it’s due to lower cost of living in different regions though? If SC grads typically live in lower COL areas than w&m then salaries will also be lower…

Now with the justifications…that’s what everyone does when there is no data to support it.

Not trying to justify anything. Weird take. I’m just saying that COL could factor in…I’m not advocating for any of these schools over another. I think OP’s kid should pick the school they like best.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a W&M alum who studied abroad. Loved it. But it doesn’t sound like a fit for him at all.

The people saying it’s an obvious choice due to ranking are focused on the wrong thing - and don’t seem to be taking the particulars of this student into account at all.

To me, it’s JMU vs U of SC. Edge to South Carolina, because it seems he wants to stretch himself a bit, and I think you should honor that.

+100

I'm another W&M alum who was looking at more "fun" schools like OP's son, also didn't care about study abroad but was interested in high-level club sport, and chose W&M for the prestige. In retrospect, I would have chosen one of the more "fun" schools I was considering. My choice in this case would be USC, especially since cost isn't a factor. It's a terrific school that balances academics, athletics, and social life very well. W&M is more academics-oriented and can definitely be a pressure-cooker. If he's a shy kid as described and wants to branch out, going there might keep him in his shell since he'll be surrounded by many similarly shy/introverted peers. It's not a bad school, but it doesn't sound like it's for OP's son.

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Anonymous wrote:If he really doesn’t want the W&M option, I’d favor JMU over U of SC.

This is the correct answer.

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Anonymous wrote:If he really doesn’t want the W&M option, I’d favor JMU over U of SC.

This is the correct answer.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t pay more for U of SC than JMU.

Why not if you have the $$ and kid wants USC?

Also, South Carolina has more name recognition than JMU. No one outside DMV area knows about JMU.

Really? I guess I should let all my DC's OOS friends know this.

Go to the west coast or Midwest or NE. See if more ppl have heard of South Carolina or JMU.

What a stupid argument. Of course *everyone* has heard of University of Whatever State. I’ve certainly heard of the University of New Mexico, but I couldn’t tell you the first thing about it…

The point is no one has heard of JMU if they don’t live in the mid-Atlantic.

I'll be sure and tell my son's roommate and friends from Minnesota, CO, CA, Florida, NY, etc.