Why are kids with extreme behavior issues being mainstreamed?

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Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

I guess we've been lucky that our title 1 school doesn't have these issues.

That you are aware of

Schools tend to bury these issues and hope nobody contacts the police.

Why would the school care? If this was a high schooler, then yes, the police could investigate and potentially charge the child with a crime. But since we're talking about a fifth grader, there's no chargeable offense to investigate. Do these posters really no understand that?

Attempted murder sounds like a police issue to me.

You're unhinged. This wasn't attempted murder. Don't be ridiculous.

Not the PP but this should be a serious wake up call. This child threatened the life of another. It isn't a joke. Next time they may not be so lucky.

Yes, but it doesn't help to say it is something that it's not.

It also doesn't help to just pretend the kid didn't threaten someone's life. They stated it clearly. They put scissors to their neck. It's clear this is a serious problem. Minimizing it doesn't help anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

I guess we've been lucky that our title 1 school doesn't have these issues.

That you are aware of

Schools tend to bury these issues and hope nobody contacts the police.

Why would the school care? If this was a high schooler, then yes, the police could investigate and potentially charge the child with a crime. But since we're talking about a fifth grader, there's no chargeable offense to investigate. Do these posters really no understand that?

Attempted murder sounds like a police issue to me.

You're unhinged. This wasn't attempted murder. Don't be ridiculous.

Not the PP but this should be a serious wake up call. This child threatened the life of another. It isn't a joke. Next time they may not be so lucky.

Yes, but it doesn't help to say it is something that it's not.

It also doesn't help to just pretend the kid didn't threaten someone's life. They stated it clearly. They put scissors to their neck. It's clear this is a serious problem. Minimizing it doesn't help anyone.

"Not exaggerating" is not the same thing as "minimizing." Get some perspective. That wasn't attempted murder. No one is going to take you seriously if you keep suggesting it was.

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Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

Never had this at my kids MCPS schools so seems to be isolated.

Are you in an affluent area? The SES kids with shadows are all new to the school. No idea where they went to school before since they don't interact much with my kid. Maybe MCPS is trying out something new. I just wish it wasn't at our school. Last year was uneventful. Our Principal is very inclusive and we like him. I believe he will do what is right for the rest of the kids and get this kid moved.

From what my child says, I think there are about 7 or 8 kids with shadows across the grades who came in new this year. Three in the 5th grade, 2 are fine and then there is this kid. I believe they are allowed to do what they want and shadow/aide follows them everywhere. A younger kid with a shadow, in another grade, caused a school lockdown by trying to run out of the school and many teachers had to restrain him.

It sounds like they have disbanded a special ed program elsewhere or moved it to your school and it's not working.

There was an SES program at my child's school and it was never like this. You barely noticed any difference between the kids in the SES program and the other mainstreamed kids. If there was a child close to a meltdown a para would help them leave the classroom and they would return when they were better. DC was friends with some of these kids and really I couldn't tell which kids were in the program and which were not. I've never heard of any violence towards other kids. Most of these kids ended up "graduating" from the program and just became regular mainstream students. I did hear of one that went to a more restrictive placement but that was an exception. This was over six full years.

Has someone contacted the district special ed superintendent to send more resources to the school or talked to the person who runs the SES program there about what's going on? The problem is not the kids. It's that someone is not allocating sufficient help for those kids.

You may be right. I see a "Behavior Support Teacher" and a lot of "Paraeducator Spec Ed" on our school directory.

I have no idea if anyone has contacted district special ed superintendent.

According to my kid, this child has had 2 aides/shadows recently. My kid thinks the new person could be the Dad because they look like Dad and son, but who knows. If it was really the Dad, I guess he now has a case for his child to be moved instead of waiting one year like the PP said, since he was there during the recess event. The Principal has not addressed the recess event though and I'm surprised because the entire grade witnessed that and kids talk.

OP you don't need to wait one year for a child to be moved. Make no mistake parents in this situation are BEGGING for their children to be moved but it requires documentation and sign off from the district which can take a lot of time.

That's true, but only if the story the OP provided is accurate.

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I think it all boils down to there's no where else to put these kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it all boils down to there's no where else to put these kids.

Homeschool

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it all boils down to there's no where else to put these kids.

That's not really true but the 2 or 3 kids in MCPS like this definitely don't belong in the mainstream.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it all boils down to there's no where else to put these kids.

That's not really true but the 2 or 3 kids in MCPS like this definitely don't belong in the mainstream.

You seem to be forgetting all the people that want to throw neurodivergent kids out of school for making disruptive sounds and movements during class.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it all boils down to there's no where else to put these kids.

That's not really true but the 2 or 3 kids in MCPS like this definitely don't belong in the mainstream.

You are about as wrong as it is possible for a human to be.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it all boils down to there's no where else to put these kids.

Homeschool

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Anonymous wrote:I think it all boils down to there's no where else to put these kids.

Homeschool

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Yes, you're free to homeschool your own kids. As long as you're ok screwing them up for life.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it all boils down to there's no where else to put these kids.

Homeschool

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Yes, you're free to homeschool your own kids. As long as you're ok screwing them up for life.

Do you really think a violent scissor attack would be better?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it all boils down to there's no where else to put these kids.

Homeschool

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Yes, you're free to homeschool your own kids. As long as you're ok screwing them up for life.

Do you really think a violent scissor attack would be better?

Absolutely. But if you prefer to be the one that screws up your kid, then go ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it all boils down to there's no where else to put these kids.

Homeschool

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Yes, you're free to homeschool your own kids. As long as you're ok screwing them up for life.

Do you really think a violent scissor attack would be better?

Absolutely. But if you prefer to be the one that screws up your kid, then go ahead.

The violent kids are the ones that need homeschool.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it all boils down to there's no where else to put these kids.

Homeschool

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Yes, you're free to homeschool your own kids. As long as you're ok screwing them up for life.

Do you really think a violent scissor attack would be better?

Absolutely. But if you prefer to be the one that screws up your kid, then go ahead.

The violent kids are the ones that need homeschool.

You can't force other students/parents to homeschool.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it all boils down to there's no where else to put these kids.

Homeschool

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Yes, you're free to homeschool your own kids. As long as you're ok screwing them up for life.

Do you really think a violent scissor attack would be better?

Absolutely. But if you prefer to be the one that screws up your kid, then go ahead.

The violent kids are the ones that need homeschool.

You can't force other students/parents to homeschool.

The parents are responsible for the violence and disruption their kids inflict on others. The parents send their kids to school knowing what will happen. Guilty.