Wake, UGA, or Tulane

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

All sorts of schools have different rankings under different measures. Why can't someone prefer the old USNWR? No one I know is looking at the new one, though I'm sure there are people interested in that one. Most people I know at private schools are disregarding the new rankings because they are made for a very specific HS student.

Do you realize the old rankings were also made for a very specific HS student? The old rankings were made for the prestige obsessed and as a result, colleges catered to the rich. Things are different now. If your college no longer fares well, why are they not doing a better job serving first gen and Pell students?

So you don't believe rankings of college should promote (1) % of students from top of HS class, (2) being taught by a professor with a terminal degree rather than a TA, and (3) smaller class sizes? Instead I should focus on if the school has a large number of Pell grants?

I am not sure how much I care about the % of students from the top of the HS class (what does top mean anyway...top 10%)? Are you trying to imply the average Princeton student is not a really smart kid?

Also, on #2...is it literally taught by a professor vs. a TA...or taught by someone without a terminal degree? Reason I ask, is because as an example, Wharton will have guest professors who are Managing Directors and Partners from top Wall Street firms and they don't have a terminal degree...but hell yeah, I would rather be taught by those people who are actually out doing deals (and they hire a couple of kids from the class) vs. someone with a PhD in Finance

Yes, top 10%. So how the college attracts top students from HS should not be a ranking factor? Oh, and yeah, you're right, most classes in all these State schools that rose in rankings are taught by MDs from Wall Street in their spare time and not TAs.

How do you know who teaches at state schools compared to privates? Do you have any evidence?

Certain schools, like Wake and Tulane, literally have ZERO TAs. It is their policy. Ask State Schools on your tours how many classes are taught by TAs freshman year. It is just about all of them, most likely.

Do you have any evidence or just anecdotes?

This is true about Wake. They pride themselves on professors with PhDs teaching very small classes. Even intro business and science classes are around 50 students. My freshman had tons of contact with her professors.

This is anecdotal.

No it isn’t. Go to the Wake web site if you want the exact numbers but the data is there. They have absurdly small class sizes and every professor both teaches and conducts research.

Here’s the link. 99 percent of classes have less than 50 students, and anecdotally, my freshman had only one class each semester with more than 20 students. 94 percent of faculty have the highest degree available in their field.

https://admissions.wfu.edu/facts/

Why doesn’t this tell us if TA’s or professors teach at Wake?

TAs don’t teach classes at Wake. Call them and confirm if you refuse to accept the reports of parents who send their kids there. Nothing better than you hearing it directly from the horses’s mouth, right?

Don’t (incorrectly) assume TA’s teach at state schools when Wake fails to mention who teaches on their website.

Wake does not use recitations with TAs or classes taught by a TA. I can promise you. State schools do: Here is Maryland's program for example. Will that stop you? https://gradschool.umd.edu/funding/assistantship-information

Nobody said they don’t have TA’s. TA’s assist under the close supervision of the professor, which this source validates. TA’s are not the professor on record or the lead instructor.

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in my "anecdote" above, I did say the only time I had a TA for anything at Wake was if a class had a lab.

They do have them, they just aren't doing much actual teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

All sorts of schools have different rankings under different measures. Why can't someone prefer the old USNWR? No one I know is looking at the new one, though I'm sure there are people interested in that one. Most people I know at private schools are disregarding the new rankings because they are made for a very specific HS student.

Do you realize the old rankings were also made for a very specific HS student? The old rankings were made for the prestige obsessed and as a result, colleges catered to the rich. Things are different now. If your college no longer fares well, why are they not doing a better job serving first gen and Pell students?

So you don't believe rankings of college should promote (1) % of students from top of HS class, (2) being taught by a professor with a terminal degree rather than a TA, and (3) smaller class sizes? Instead I should focus on if the school has a large number of Pell grants?

I am not sure how much I care about the % of students from the top of the HS class (what does top mean anyway...top 10%)? Are you trying to imply the average Princeton student is not a really smart kid?

Also, on #2...is it literally taught by a professor vs. a TA...or taught by someone without a terminal degree? Reason I ask, is because as an example, Wharton will have guest professors who are Managing Directors and Partners from top Wall Street firms and they don't have a terminal degree...but hell yeah, I would rather be taught by those people who are actually out doing deals (and they hire a couple of kids from the class) vs. someone with a PhD in Finance

Yes, top 10%. So how the college attracts top students from HS should not be a ranking factor? Oh, and yeah, you're right, most classes in all these State schools that rose in rankings are taught by MDs from Wall Street in their spare time and not TAs.

How do you know who teaches at state schools compared to privates? Do you have any evidence?

Certain schools, like Wake and Tulane, literally have ZERO TAs. It is their policy. Ask State Schools on your tours how many classes are taught by TAs freshman year. It is just about all of them, most likely.

Do you have any evidence or just anecdotes?

This is true about Wake. They pride themselves on professors with PhDs teaching very small classes. Even intro business and science classes are around 50 students. My freshman had tons of contact with her professors.

This is anecdotal.

No it isn’t. Go to the Wake web site if you want the exact numbers but the data is there. They have absurdly small class sizes and every professor both teaches and conducts research.

Here’s the link. 99 percent of classes have less than 50 students, and anecdotally, my freshman had only one class each semester with more than 20 students. 94 percent of faculty have the highest degree available in their field.

https://admissions.wfu.edu/facts/

Why doesn’t this tell us if TA’s or professors teach at Wake?

TAs don’t teach classes at Wake. Call them and confirm if you refuse to accept the reports of parents who send their kids there. Nothing better than you hearing it directly from the horses’s mouth, right?

Don’t (incorrectly) assume TA’s teach at state schools when Wake fails to mention who teaches on their website.

Wake does not use recitations with TAs or classes taught by a TA. I can promise you. State schools do: Here is Maryland's program for example. Will that stop you? https://gradschool.umd.edu/funding/assistantship-information

Nobody said they don’t have TA’s. TA’s assist under the close supervision of the professor, which this source validates. TA’s are not the professor on record or the lead instructor.

Again from US News: At some research universities, a teaching assistant – usually a graduate student – might either serve as the main instructor for an undergraduate course or provide support to the professor.

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Anonymous wrote:in my "anecdote" above, I did say the only time I had a TA for anything at Wake was if a class had a lab.

They do have them, they just aren't doing much actual teaching.

Yes have TAs; they are not teaching. Lab is not teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:How would a half Jewish-Asian kid feel at Wake?

Wake is very supportive of its Jewish community, protests were only only for a day or two before being shut down, and most students were opposed to them. More here. https://jewishlife.wfu.edu/jewish-life/overview-and-mission/

This is great to hear....I find this reassuring.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

All sorts of schools have different rankings under different measures. Why can't someone prefer the old USNWR? No one I know is looking at the new one, though I'm sure there are people interested in that one. Most people I know at private schools are disregarding the new rankings because they are made for a very specific HS student.

Do you realize the old rankings were also made for a very specific HS student? The old rankings were made for the prestige obsessed and as a result, colleges catered to the rich. Things are different now. If your college no longer fares well, why are they not doing a better job serving first gen and Pell students?

So you don't believe rankings of college should promote (1) % of students from top of HS class, (2) being taught by a professor with a terminal degree rather than a TA, and (3) smaller class sizes? Instead I should focus on if the school has a large number of Pell grants?

I am not sure how much I care about the % of students from the top of the HS class (what does top mean anyway...top 10%)? Are you trying to imply the average Princeton student is not a really smart kid?

Also, on #2...is it literally taught by a professor vs. a TA...or taught by someone without a terminal degree? Reason I ask, is because as an example, Wharton will have guest professors who are Managing Directors and Partners from top Wall Street firms and they don't have a terminal degree...but hell yeah, I would rather be taught by those people who are actually out doing deals (and they hire a couple of kids from the class) vs. someone with a PhD in Finance

Yes, top 10%. So how the college attracts top students from HS should not be a ranking factor? Oh, and yeah, you're right, most classes in all these State schools that rose in rankings are taught by MDs from Wall Street in their spare time and not TAs.

How do you know who teaches at state schools compared to privates? Do you have any evidence?

Certain schools, like Wake and Tulane, literally have ZERO TAs. It is their policy. Ask State Schools on your tours how many classes are taught by TAs freshman year. It is just about all of them, most likely.

Do you have any evidence or just anecdotes?

This is true about Wake. They pride themselves on professors with PhDs teaching very small classes. Even intro business and science classes are around 50 students. My freshman had tons of contact with her professors.

This is anecdotal.

No it isn’t. Go to the Wake web site if you want the exact numbers but the data is there. They have absurdly small class sizes and every professor both teaches and conducts research.

Here’s the link. 99 percent of classes have less than 50 students, and anecdotally, my freshman had only one class each semester with more than 20 students. 94 percent of faculty have the highest degree available in their field.

https://admissions.wfu.edu/facts/

Why doesn’t this tell us if TA’s or professors teach at Wake?

TAs don’t teach classes at Wake. Call them and confirm if you refuse to accept the reports of parents who send their kids there. Nothing better than you hearing it directly from the horses’s mouth, right?

Don’t (incorrectly) assume TA’s teach at state schools when Wake fails to mention who teaches on their website.

Wake does not use recitations with TAs or classes taught by a TA. I can promise you. State schools do: Here is Maryland's program for example. Will that stop you? https://gradschool.umd.edu/funding/assistantship-information

Nobody said they don’t have TA’s. TA’s assist under the close supervision of the professor, which this source validates. TA’s are not the professor on record or the lead instructor.

Again from US News: At some research universities, a teaching assistant – usually a graduate student – might either serve as the main instructor for an undergraduate course or provide support to the professor.

USNWR

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

All sorts of schools have different rankings under different measures. Why can't someone prefer the old USNWR? No one I know is looking at the new one, though I'm sure there are people interested in that one. Most people I know at private schools are disregarding the new rankings because they are made for a very specific HS student.

Do you realize the old rankings were also made for a very specific HS student? The old rankings were made for the prestige obsessed and as a result, colleges catered to the rich. Things are different now. If your college no longer fares well, why are they not doing a better job serving first gen and Pell students?

So you don't believe rankings of college should promote (1) % of students from top of HS class, (2) being taught by a professor with a terminal degree rather than a TA, and (3) smaller class sizes? Instead I should focus on if the school has a large number of Pell grants?

I am not sure how much I care about the % of students from the top of the HS class (what does top mean anyway...top 10%)? Are you trying to imply the average Princeton student is not a really smart kid?

Also, on #2...is it literally taught by a professor vs. a TA...or taught by someone without a terminal degree? Reason I ask, is because as an example, Wharton will have guest professors who are Managing Directors and Partners from top Wall Street firms and they don't have a terminal degree...but hell yeah, I would rather be taught by those people who are actually out doing deals (and they hire a couple of kids from the class) vs. someone with a PhD in Finance

Yes, top 10%. So how the college attracts top students from HS should not be a ranking factor? Oh, and yeah, you're right, most classes in all these State schools that rose in rankings are taught by MDs from Wall Street in their spare time and not TAs.

How do you know who teaches at state schools compared to privates? Do you have any evidence?

Certain schools, like Wake and Tulane, literally have ZERO TAs. It is their policy. Ask State Schools on your tours how many classes are taught by TAs freshman year. It is just about all of them, most likely.

Do you have any evidence or just anecdotes?

This is true about Wake. They pride themselves on professors with PhDs teaching very small classes. Even intro business and science classes are around 50 students. My freshman had tons of contact with her professors.

This is anecdotal.

No it isn’t. Go to the Wake web site if you want the exact numbers but the data is there. They have absurdly small class sizes and every professor both teaches and conducts research.

Here’s the link. 99 percent of classes have less than 50 students, and anecdotally, my freshman had only one class each semester with more than 20 students. 94 percent of faculty have the highest degree available in their field.

https://admissions.wfu.edu/facts/

Why doesn’t this tell us if TA’s or professors teach at Wake?

TAs don’t teach classes at Wake. Call them and confirm if you refuse to accept the reports of parents who send their kids there. Nothing better than you hearing it directly from the horses’s mouth, right?

Don’t (incorrectly) assume TA’s teach at state schools when Wake fails to mention who teaches on their website.

Wake does not use recitations with TAs or classes taught by a TA. I can promise you. State schools do: Here is Maryland's program for example. Will that stop you? https://gradschool.umd.edu/funding/assistantship-information

Nobody said they don’t have TA’s. TA’s assist under the close supervision of the professor, which this source validates. TA’s are not the professor on record or the lead instructor.

Again from US News: At some research universities, a teaching assistant – usually a graduate student – might either serve as the main instructor for an undergraduate course or provide support to the professor.

USNWR

You did see this right? It's old but it is "% of classes with grad student as PRIMARY instructor". Purdue was 26% (in 2015), UGA 24%, and UNC 20%. Do you think they make this up? Do you know anyone in college?:

Below are the 10 National Universities with the highest percentage of graduate TAs listed as primary instructors for undergraduate courses in fall 2015. Unranked schools, which did not meet certain criteria required by U.S. News to be numerically ranked, were not considered for this report.

SCHOOL NAME (STATE) PERCENTAGE OF GRADUATE TAS LISTED AS A PRIMARY INSTRUCTOR (FALL 2015) U.S. NEWS RANK
Purdue University—West Lafayette (IN) 26% 60 (tie)
University of South Florida 25% 159 (tie)
University of Georgia 24% 56 (tie)
University of Iowa 20% 82 (tie)
University of North Carolina—Chapel Hill 20% 30
University of Hawaii—Manoa 19% 169 (tie)
University of Illinois—Urbana-Champaign 19% 44 (tie)
Florida State University 18% 92 (tie)
University of Arkansas 18% 135 (tie)
University of Kansas 18% 118 (tie)

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

All sorts of schools have different rankings under different measures. Why can't someone prefer the old USNWR? No one I know is looking at the new one, though I'm sure there are people interested in that one. Most people I know at private schools are disregarding the new rankings because they are made for a very specific HS student.

Do you realize the old rankings were also made for a very specific HS student? The old rankings were made for the prestige obsessed and as a result, colleges catered to the rich. Things are different now. If your college no longer fares well, why are they not doing a better job serving first gen and Pell students?

So you don't believe rankings of college should promote (1) % of students from top of HS class, (2) being taught by a professor with a terminal degree rather than a TA, and (3) smaller class sizes? Instead I should focus on if the school has a large number of Pell grants?

I am not sure how much I care about the % of students from the top of the HS class (what does top mean anyway...top 10%)? Are you trying to imply the average Princeton student is not a really smart kid?

Also, on #2...is it literally taught by a professor vs. a TA...or taught by someone without a terminal degree? Reason I ask, is because as an example, Wharton will have guest professors who are Managing Directors and Partners from top Wall Street firms and they don't have a terminal degree...but hell yeah, I would rather be taught by those people who are actually out doing deals (and they hire a couple of kids from the class) vs. someone with a PhD in Finance

Yes, top 10%. So how the college attracts top students from HS should not be a ranking factor? Oh, and yeah, you're right, most classes in all these State schools that rose in rankings are taught by MDs from Wall Street in their spare time and not TAs.

How do you know who teaches at state schools compared to privates? Do you have any evidence?

Certain schools, like Wake and Tulane, literally have ZERO TAs. It is their policy. Ask State Schools on your tours how many classes are taught by TAs freshman year. It is just about all of them, most likely.

Do you have any evidence or just anecdotes?

This is true about Wake. They pride themselves on professors with PhDs teaching very small classes. Even intro business and science classes are around 50 students. My freshman had tons of contact with her professors.

This is anecdotal.

No it isn’t. Go to the Wake web site if you want the exact numbers but the data is there. They have absurdly small class sizes and every professor both teaches and conducts research.

Here’s the link. 99 percent of classes have less than 50 students, and anecdotally, my freshman had only one class each semester with more than 20 students. 94 percent of faculty have the highest degree available in their field.

https://admissions.wfu.edu/facts/

Why doesn’t this tell us if TA’s or professors teach at Wake?

TAs don’t teach classes at Wake. Call them and confirm if you refuse to accept the reports of parents who send their kids there. Nothing better than you hearing it directly from the horses’s mouth, right?

Don’t (incorrectly) assume TA’s teach at state schools when Wake fails to mention who teaches on their website.

Wake does not use recitations with TAs or classes taught by a TA. I can promise you. State schools do: Here is Maryland's program for example. Will that stop you? https://gradschool.umd.edu/funding/assistantship-information

Nobody said they don’t have TA’s. TA’s assist under the close supervision of the professor, which this source validates. TA’s are not the professor on record or the lead instructor.

You don't understand what is going on at these big state schools. It is most freshman year classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

All sorts of schools have different rankings under different measures. Why can't someone prefer the old USNWR? No one I know is looking at the new one, though I'm sure there are people interested in that one. Most people I know at private schools are disregarding the new rankings because they are made for a very specific HS student.

Do you realize the old rankings were also made for a very specific HS student? The old rankings were made for the prestige obsessed and as a result, colleges catered to the rich. Things are different now. If your college no longer fares well, why are they not doing a better job serving first gen and Pell students?

So you don't believe rankings of college should promote (1) % of students from top of HS class, (2) being taught by a professor with a terminal degree rather than a TA, and (3) smaller class sizes? Instead I should focus on if the school has a large number of Pell grants?

I am not sure how much I care about the % of students from the top of the HS class (what does top mean anyway...top 10%)? Are you trying to imply the average Princeton student is not a really smart kid?

Also, on #2...is it literally taught by a professor vs. a TA...or taught by someone without a terminal degree? Reason I ask, is because as an example, Wharton will have guest professors who are Managing Directors and Partners from top Wall Street firms and they don't have a terminal degree...but hell yeah, I would rather be taught by those people who are actually out doing deals (and they hire a couple of kids from the class) vs. someone with a PhD in Finance

Yes, top 10%. So how the college attracts top students from HS should not be a ranking factor? Oh, and yeah, you're right, most classes in all these State schools that rose in rankings are taught by MDs from Wall Street in their spare time and not TAs.

How do you know who teaches at state schools compared to privates? Do you have any evidence?

Certain schools, like Wake and Tulane, literally have ZERO TAs. It is their policy. Ask State Schools on your tours how many classes are taught by TAs freshman year. It is just about all of them, most likely.

Do you have any evidence or just anecdotes?

This is true about Wake. They pride themselves on professors with PhDs teaching very small classes. Even intro business and science classes are around 50 students. My freshman had tons of contact with her professors.

This is anecdotal.

No it isn’t. Go to the Wake web site if you want the exact numbers but the data is there. They have absurdly small class sizes and every professor both teaches and conducts research.

Here’s the link. 99 percent of classes have less than 50 students, and anecdotally, my freshman had only one class each semester with more than 20 students. 94 percent of faculty have the highest degree available in their field.

https://admissions.wfu.edu/facts/

Why doesn’t this tell us if TA’s or professors teach at Wake?

TAs don’t teach classes at Wake. Call them and confirm if you refuse to accept the reports of parents who send their kids there. Nothing better than you hearing it directly from the horses’s mouth, right?

Don’t (incorrectly) assume TA’s teach at state schools when Wake fails to mention who teaches on their website.

Wake does not use recitations with TAs or classes taught by a TA. I can promise you. State schools do: Here is Maryland's program for example. Will that stop you? https://gradschool.umd.edu/funding/assistantship-information

Nobody said they don’t have TA’s. TA’s assist under the close supervision of the professor, which this source validates. TA’s are not the professor on record or the lead instructor.

Again from US News: At some research universities, a teaching assistant – usually a graduate student – might either serve as the main instructor for an undergraduate course or provide support to the professor.

USNWR

You did see this right? It's old but it is "% of classes with grad student as PRIMARY instructor". Purdue was 26% (in 2015), UGA 24%, and UNC 20%. Do you think they make this up? Do you know anyone in college?:

Below are the 10 National Universities with the highest percentage of graduate TAs listed as primary instructors for undergraduate courses in fall 2015. Unranked schools, which did not meet certain criteria required by U.S. News to be numerically ranked, were not considered for this report.

SCHOOL NAME (STATE) PERCENTAGE OF GRADUATE TAS LISTED AS A PRIMARY INSTRUCTOR (FALL 2015) U.S. NEWS RANK
Purdue University—West Lafayette (IN) 26% 60 (tie)
University of South Florida 25% 159 (tie)
University of Georgia 24% 56 (tie)
University of Iowa 20% 82 (tie)
University of North Carolina—Chapel Hill 20% 30
University of Hawaii—Manoa 19% 169 (tie)
University of Illinois—Urbana-Champaign 19% 44 (tie)
Florida State University 18% 92 (tie)
University of Arkansas 18% 135 (tie)
University of Kansas 18% 118 (tie)

You don’t have anything more recent or sources directly from universities?

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Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

All sorts of schools have different rankings under different measures. Why can't someone prefer the old USNWR? No one I know is looking at the new one, though I'm sure there are people interested in that one. Most people I know at private schools are disregarding the new rankings because they are made for a very specific HS student.

Do you realize the old rankings were also made for a very specific HS student? The old rankings were made for the prestige obsessed and as a result, colleges catered to the rich. Things are different now. If your college no longer fares well, why are they not doing a better job serving first gen and Pell students?

So you don't believe rankings of college should promote (1) % of students from top of HS class, (2) being taught by a professor with a terminal degree rather than a TA, and (3) smaller class sizes? Instead I should focus on if the school has a large number of Pell grants?

I am not sure how much I care about the % of students from the top of the HS class (what does top mean anyway...top 10%)? Are you trying to imply the average Princeton student is not a really smart kid?

Also, on #2...is it literally taught by a professor vs. a TA...or taught by someone without a terminal degree? Reason I ask, is because as an example, Wharton will have guest professors who are Managing Directors and Partners from top Wall Street firms and they don't have a terminal degree...but hell yeah, I would rather be taught by those people who are actually out doing deals (and they hire a couple of kids from the class) vs. someone with a PhD in Finance

Yes, top 10%. So how the college attracts top students from HS should not be a ranking factor? Oh, and yeah, you're right, most classes in all these State schools that rose in rankings are taught by MDs from Wall Street in their spare time and not TAs.

How do you know who teaches at state schools compared to privates? Do you have any evidence?

Certain schools, like Wake and Tulane, literally have ZERO TAs. It is their policy. Ask State Schools on your tours how many classes are taught by TAs freshman year. It is just about all of them, most likely.

Do you have any evidence or just anecdotes?

This is true about Wake. They pride themselves on professors with PhDs teaching very small classes. Even intro business and science classes are around 50 students. My freshman had tons of contact with her professors.

This is anecdotal.

No it isn’t. Go to the Wake web site if you want the exact numbers but the data is there. They have absurdly small class sizes and every professor both teaches and conducts research.

Here’s the link. 99 percent of classes have less than 50 students, and anecdotally, my freshman had only one class each semester with more than 20 students. 94 percent of faculty have the highest degree available in their field.

https://admissions.wfu.edu/facts/

Why doesn’t this tell us if TA’s or professors teach at Wake?

TAs don’t teach classes at Wake. Call them and confirm if you refuse to accept the reports of parents who send their kids there. Nothing better than you hearing it directly from the horses’s mouth, right?

Don’t (incorrectly) assume TA’s teach at state schools when Wake fails to mention who teaches on their website.

Wake does not use recitations with TAs or classes taught by a TA. I can promise you. State schools do: Here is Maryland's program for example. Will that stop you? https://gradschool.umd.edu/funding/assistantship-information

Nobody said they don’t have TA’s. TA’s assist under the close supervision of the professor, which this source validates. TA’s are not the professor on record or the lead instructor.

Again from US News: At some research universities, a teaching assistant – usually a graduate student – might either serve as the main instructor for an undergraduate course or provide support to the professor.

USNWR

You did see this right? It's old but it is "% of classes with grad student as PRIMARY instructor". Purdue was 26% (in 2015), UGA 24%, and UNC 20%. Do you think they make this up? Do you know anyone in college?:

Below are the 10 National Universities with the highest percentage of graduate TAs listed as primary instructors for undergraduate courses in fall 2015. Unranked schools, which did not meet certain criteria required by U.S. News to be numerically ranked, were not considered for this report.

SCHOOL NAME (STATE) PERCENTAGE OF GRADUATE TAS LISTED AS A PRIMARY INSTRUCTOR (FALL 2015) U.S. NEWS RANK
Purdue University—West Lafayette (IN) 26% 60 (tie)
University of South Florida 25% 159 (tie)
University of Georgia 24% 56 (tie)
University of Iowa 20% 82 (tie)
University of North Carolina—Chapel Hill 20% 30
University of Hawaii—Manoa 19% 169 (tie)
University of Illinois—Urbana-Champaign 19% 44 (tie)
Florida State University 18% 92 (tie)
University of Arkansas 18% 135 (tie)
University of Kansas 18% 118 (tie)

You don’t have anything more recent or sources directly from universities?

You look it up, since you are the only one that thinks they don't do it anymore. Do you think schools want to advertise this? Who wants to tell prospective students that their classes are largely grad students learning on the job during their freshman year.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

All sorts of schools have different rankings under different measures. Why can't someone prefer the old USNWR? No one I know is looking at the new one, though I'm sure there are people interested in that one. Most people I know at private schools are disregarding the new rankings because they are made for a very specific HS student.

Do you realize the old rankings were also made for a very specific HS student? The old rankings were made for the prestige obsessed and as a result, colleges catered to the rich. Things are different now. If your college no longer fares well, why are they not doing a better job serving first gen and Pell students?

So you don't believe rankings of college should promote (1) % of students from top of HS class, (2) being taught by a professor with a terminal degree rather than a TA, and (3) smaller class sizes? Instead I should focus on if the school has a large number of Pell grants?

I am not sure how much I care about the % of students from the top of the HS class (what does top mean anyway...top 10%)? Are you trying to imply the average Princeton student is not a really smart kid?

Also, on #2...is it literally taught by a professor vs. a TA...or taught by someone without a terminal degree? Reason I ask, is because as an example, Wharton will have guest professors who are Managing Directors and Partners from top Wall Street firms and they don't have a terminal degree...but hell yeah, I would rather be taught by those people who are actually out doing deals (and they hire a couple of kids from the class) vs. someone with a PhD in Finance

Yes, top 10%. So how the college attracts top students from HS should not be a ranking factor? Oh, and yeah, you're right, most classes in all these State schools that rose in rankings are taught by MDs from Wall Street in their spare time and not TAs.

How do you know who teaches at state schools compared to privates? Do you have any evidence?

Certain schools, like Wake and Tulane, literally have ZERO TAs. It is their policy. Ask State Schools on your tours how many classes are taught by TAs freshman year. It is just about all of them, most likely.

Do you have any evidence or just anecdotes?

This is true about Wake. They pride themselves on professors with PhDs teaching very small classes. Even intro business and science classes are around 50 students. My freshman had tons of contact with her professors.

This is anecdotal.

No it isn’t. Go to the Wake web site if you want the exact numbers but the data is there. They have absurdly small class sizes and every professor both teaches and conducts research.

Here’s the link. 99 percent of classes have less than 50 students, and anecdotally, my freshman had only one class each semester with more than 20 students. 94 percent of faculty have the highest degree available in their field.

https://admissions.wfu.edu/facts/

Why doesn’t this tell us if TA’s or professors teach at Wake?

TAs don’t teach classes at Wake. Call them and confirm if you refuse to accept the reports of parents who send their kids there. Nothing better than you hearing it directly from the horses’s mouth, right?

Don’t (incorrectly) assume TA’s teach at state schools when Wake fails to mention who teaches on their website.

Wake does not use recitations with TAs or classes taught by a TA. I can promise you. State schools do: Here is Maryland's program for example. Will that stop you? https://gradschool.umd.edu/funding/assistantship-information

Nobody said they don’t have TA’s. TA’s assist under the close supervision of the professor, which this source validates. TA’s are not the professor on record or the lead instructor.

You don't understand what is going on at these big state schools. It is most freshman year classes.

Cite?

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

All sorts of schools have different rankings under different measures. Why can't someone prefer the old USNWR? No one I know is looking at the new one, though I'm sure there are people interested in that one. Most people I know at private schools are disregarding the new rankings because they are made for a very specific HS student.

Do you realize the old rankings were also made for a very specific HS student? The old rankings were made for the prestige obsessed and as a result, colleges catered to the rich. Things are different now. If your college no longer fares well, why are they not doing a better job serving first gen and Pell students?

So you don't believe rankings of college should promote (1) % of students from top of HS class, (2) being taught by a professor with a terminal degree rather than a TA, and (3) smaller class sizes? Instead I should focus on if the school has a large number of Pell grants?

I am not sure how much I care about the % of students from the top of the HS class (what does top mean anyway...top 10%)? Are you trying to imply the average Princeton student is not a really smart kid?

Also, on #2...is it literally taught by a professor vs. a TA...or taught by someone without a terminal degree? Reason I ask, is because as an example, Wharton will have guest professors who are Managing Directors and Partners from top Wall Street firms and they don't have a terminal degree...but hell yeah, I would rather be taught by those people who are actually out doing deals (and they hire a couple of kids from the class) vs. someone with a PhD in Finance

Yes, top 10%. So how the college attracts top students from HS should not be a ranking factor? Oh, and yeah, you're right, most classes in all these State schools that rose in rankings are taught by MDs from Wall Street in their spare time and not TAs.

How do you know who teaches at state schools compared to privates? Do you have any evidence?

Certain schools, like Wake and Tulane, literally have ZERO TAs. It is their policy. Ask State Schools on your tours how many classes are taught by TAs freshman year. It is just about all of them, most likely.

Do you have any evidence or just anecdotes?

This is true about Wake. They pride themselves on professors with PhDs teaching very small classes. Even intro business and science classes are around 50 students. My freshman had tons of contact with her professors.

This is anecdotal.

No it isn’t. Go to the Wake web site if you want the exact numbers but the data is there. They have absurdly small class sizes and every professor both teaches and conducts research.

Here’s the link. 99 percent of classes have less than 50 students, and anecdotally, my freshman had only one class each semester with more than 20 students. 94 percent of faculty have the highest degree available in their field.

https://admissions.wfu.edu/facts/

Why doesn’t this tell us if TA’s or professors teach at Wake?

TAs don’t teach classes at Wake. Call them and confirm if you refuse to accept the reports of parents who send their kids there. Nothing better than you hearing it directly from the horses’s mouth, right?

Don’t (incorrectly) assume TA’s teach at state schools when Wake fails to mention who teaches on their website.

Wake does not use recitations with TAs or classes taught by a TA. I can promise you. State schools do: Here is Maryland's program for example. Will that stop you? https://gradschool.umd.edu/funding/assistantship-information

Nobody said they don’t have TA’s. TA’s assist under the close supervision of the professor, which this source validates. TA’s are not the professor on record or the lead instructor.

You don't understand what is going on at these big state schools. It is most freshman year classes.

Cite?

20% of classes at UNC = most freshman classes (1/5 of classes).

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

All sorts of schools have different rankings under different measures. Why can't someone prefer the old USNWR? No one I know is looking at the new one, though I'm sure there are people interested in that one. Most people I know at private schools are disregarding the new rankings because they are made for a very specific HS student.

Do you realize the old rankings were also made for a very specific HS student? The old rankings were made for the prestige obsessed and as a result, colleges catered to the rich. Things are different now. If your college no longer fares well, why are they not doing a better job serving first gen and Pell students?

So you don't believe rankings of college should promote (1) % of students from top of HS class, (2) being taught by a professor with a terminal degree rather than a TA, and (3) smaller class sizes? Instead I should focus on if the school has a large number of Pell grants?

I am not sure how much I care about the % of students from the top of the HS class (what does top mean anyway...top 10%)? Are you trying to imply the average Princeton student is not a really smart kid?

Also, on #2...is it literally taught by a professor vs. a TA...or taught by someone without a terminal degree? Reason I ask, is because as an example, Wharton will have guest professors who are Managing Directors and Partners from top Wall Street firms and they don't have a terminal degree...but hell yeah, I would rather be taught by those people who are actually out doing deals (and they hire a couple of kids from the class) vs. someone with a PhD in Finance

Yes, top 10%. So how the college attracts top students from HS should not be a ranking factor? Oh, and yeah, you're right, most classes in all these State schools that rose in rankings are taught by MDs from Wall Street in their spare time and not TAs.

How do you know who teaches at state schools compared to privates? Do you have any evidence?

Certain schools, like Wake and Tulane, literally have ZERO TAs. It is their policy. Ask State Schools on your tours how many classes are taught by TAs freshman year. It is just about all of them, most likely.

Do you have any evidence or just anecdotes?

This is true about Wake. They pride themselves on professors with PhDs teaching very small classes. Even intro business and science classes are around 50 students. My freshman had tons of contact with her professors.

This is anecdotal.

No it isn’t. Go to the Wake web site if you want the exact numbers but the data is there. They have absurdly small class sizes and every professor both teaches and conducts research.

Here’s the link. 99 percent of classes have less than 50 students, and anecdotally, my freshman had only one class each semester with more than 20 students. 94 percent of faculty have the highest degree available in their field.

https://admissions.wfu.edu/facts/

Why doesn’t this tell us if TA’s or professors teach at Wake?

TAs don’t teach classes at Wake. Call them and confirm if you refuse to accept the reports of parents who send their kids there. Nothing better than you hearing it directly from the horses’s mouth, right?

Don’t (incorrectly) assume TA’s teach at state schools when Wake fails to mention who teaches on their website.

Wake does not use recitations with TAs or classes taught by a TA. I can promise you. State schools do: Here is Maryland's program for example. Will that stop you? https://gradschool.umd.edu/funding/assistantship-information

Nobody said they don’t have TA’s. TA’s assist under the close supervision of the professor, which this source validates. TA’s are not the professor on record or the lead instructor.

You don't understand what is going on at these big state schools. It is most freshman year classes.

Cite?

Just a couple posts ago you said TAs never have any primary responsibility for classes. You've been shown to be wrong. Move on! It's not even the subject of the thread!

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

All sorts of schools have different rankings under different measures. Why can't someone prefer the old USNWR? No one I know is looking at the new one, though I'm sure there are people interested in that one. Most people I know at private schools are disregarding the new rankings because they are made for a very specific HS student.

Do you realize the old rankings were also made for a very specific HS student? The old rankings were made for the prestige obsessed and as a result, colleges catered to the rich. Things are different now. If your college no longer fares well, why are they not doing a better job serving first gen and Pell students?

So you don't believe rankings of college should promote (1) % of students from top of HS class, (2) being taught by a professor with a terminal degree rather than a TA, and (3) smaller class sizes? Instead I should focus on if the school has a large number of Pell grants?

I am not sure how much I care about the % of students from the top of the HS class (what does top mean anyway...top 10%)? Are you trying to imply the average Princeton student is not a really smart kid?

Also, on #2...is it literally taught by a professor vs. a TA...or taught by someone without a terminal degree? Reason I ask, is because as an example, Wharton will have guest professors who are Managing Directors and Partners from top Wall Street firms and they don't have a terminal degree...but hell yeah, I would rather be taught by those people who are actually out doing deals (and they hire a couple of kids from the class) vs. someone with a PhD in Finance

Yes, top 10%. So how the college attracts top students from HS should not be a ranking factor? Oh, and yeah, you're right, most classes in all these State schools that rose in rankings are taught by MDs from Wall Street in their spare time and not TAs.

How do you know who teaches at state schools compared to privates? Do you have any evidence?

Certain schools, like Wake and Tulane, literally have ZERO TAs. It is their policy. Ask State Schools on your tours how many classes are taught by TAs freshman year. It is just about all of them, most likely.

Do you have any evidence or just anecdotes?

This is true about Wake. They pride themselves on professors with PhDs teaching very small classes. Even intro business and science classes are around 50 students. My freshman had tons of contact with her professors.

This is anecdotal.

No it isn’t. Go to the Wake web site if you want the exact numbers but the data is there. They have absurdly small class sizes and every professor both teaches and conducts research.

Here’s the link. 99 percent of classes have less than 50 students, and anecdotally, my freshman had only one class each semester with more than 20 students. 94 percent of faculty have the highest degree available in their field.

https://admissions.wfu.edu/facts/

Why doesn’t this tell us if TA’s or professors teach at Wake?

TAs don’t teach classes at Wake. Call them and confirm if you refuse to accept the reports of parents who send their kids there. Nothing better than you hearing it directly from the horses’s mouth, right?

Don’t (incorrectly) assume TA’s teach at state schools when Wake fails to mention who teaches on their website.

Wake does not use recitations with TAs or classes taught by a TA. I can promise you. State schools do: Here is Maryland's program for example. Will that stop you? https://gradschool.umd.edu/funding/assistantship-information

Nobody said they don’t have TA’s. TA’s assist under the close supervision of the professor, which this source validates. TA’s are not the professor on record or the lead instructor.

You don't understand what is going on at these big state schools. It is most freshman year classes.

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20% of classes at UNC = most freshman classes (1/5 of classes).

Where did you see this? How do you know the courses in question are for freshman?

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Anonymous wrote:Wake in a landslide

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.

I am not the poster that you are referring to. But your post seems kinda internally inconsistent. You told the poster to not use the rankings, but you used the rankings (T15 which hasn’t changed as much) to make your own point.

His or her post about Wake having academics on par with the top schools (regardless of how ranked) is a much more accurate statement than Wake has no difference in academics than UGA.

The public’s didn’t all of sudden start attracting the top faculty members. Go check the credentials of the departments at UGA vs Tulane vs Wake to verify.

Not really...I actually am not telling anyone to use or not use the rankings. I am simply pointing out that you can't equate Wake with a T15 school "under the old rankings", but now somehow claim that it's new ranking of 47 is so incorrect when the T15 are still the T15 (with the deck chairs shuffled a bit).

There are now about 6+ posts of one or more people claiming they aren't crying over the new rankings...while they proceed to cry over the new rankings.

All sorts of schools have different rankings under different measures. Why can't someone prefer the old USNWR? No one I know is looking at the new one, though I'm sure there are people interested in that one. Most people I know at private schools are disregarding the new rankings because they are made for a very specific HS student.

Do you realize the old rankings were also made for a very specific HS student? The old rankings were made for the prestige obsessed and as a result, colleges catered to the rich. Things are different now. If your college no longer fares well, why are they not doing a better job serving first gen and Pell students?

So you don't believe rankings of college should promote (1) % of students from top of HS class, (2) being taught by a professor with a terminal degree rather than a TA, and (3) smaller class sizes? Instead I should focus on if the school has a large number of Pell grants?

I am not sure how much I care about the % of students from the top of the HS class (what does top mean anyway...top 10%)? Are you trying to imply the average Princeton student is not a really smart kid?

Also, on #2...is it literally taught by a professor vs. a TA...or taught by someone without a terminal degree? Reason I ask, is because as an example, Wharton will have guest professors who are Managing Directors and Partners from top Wall Street firms and they don't have a terminal degree...but hell yeah, I would rather be taught by those people who are actually out doing deals (and they hire a couple of kids from the class) vs. someone with a PhD in Finance

Yes, top 10%. So how the college attracts top students from HS should not be a ranking factor? Oh, and yeah, you're right, most classes in all these State schools that rose in rankings are taught by MDs from Wall Street in their spare time and not TAs.

How do you know who teaches at state schools compared to privates? Do you have any evidence?

Certain schools, like Wake and Tulane, literally have ZERO TAs. It is their policy. Ask State Schools on your tours how many classes are taught by TAs freshman year. It is just about all of them, most likely.

Do you have any evidence or just anecdotes?

This is true about Wake. They pride themselves on professors with PhDs teaching very small classes. Even intro business and science classes are around 50 students. My freshman had tons of contact with her professors.

This is anecdotal.

No it isn’t. Go to the Wake web site if you want the exact numbers but the data is there. They have absurdly small class sizes and every professor both teaches and conducts research.

Here’s the link. 99 percent of classes have less than 50 students, and anecdotally, my freshman had only one class each semester with more than 20 students. 94 percent of faculty have the highest degree available in their field.

https://admissions.wfu.edu/facts/

Why doesn’t this tell us if TA’s or professors teach at Wake?

TAs don’t teach classes at Wake. Call them and confirm if you refuse to accept the reports of parents who send their kids there. Nothing better than you hearing it directly from the horses’s mouth, right?

Don’t (incorrectly) assume TA’s teach at state schools when Wake fails to mention who teaches on their website.

Wake does not use recitations with TAs or classes taught by a TA. I can promise you. State schools do: Here is Maryland's program for example. Will that stop you? https://gradschool.umd.edu/funding/assistantship-information

Nobody said they don’t have TA’s. TA’s assist under the close supervision of the professor, which this source validates. TA’s are not the professor on record or the lead instructor.

You don't understand what is going on at these big state schools. It is most freshman year classes.

Cite?

20% of classes at UNC = most freshman classes (1/5 of classes).

Where did you see this? How do you know the courses in question are for freshman?

University of North Carolina—Chapel Hill 20% 30
Which classes do you think they allow grad students to teach? The introductory ones. Who typically takes these? Freshman. Is this that difficult?