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Anonymous wrote:OP, I find it utterly bizarre that you allowed your daughter to apply to any school that would actually be a stretch financially. It sounds like all of the other schools she applied to are expensive privates - why? You say she wasn't interested in a large state school, but surely there were small or mid-sized Pennsylvania state schools she could have included in her list? Your situation is so bizarre because while you don't want her to attend the no-name school for free, you also seem hesitant to pay $200,000 on an expensive private.

Where are your state school options?

She said that the kid didn’t like big state schools. Get off her back about the list and try to be constructive!

OP- if your kid is okay with the free school, go for it. She can transfer to UMD or your flagship state school if it feels wrong… with nothing out of pocket. Good luck.

Is it easy to transfer to UMD or UVA?

Not particularly, really not sure why people think it would be so easy to transfer from ESU to a T50 public. Way better off coming from a local community college with an established pathway.

This. East Stroudsburg is not a good school and has no relationship with UMD or UVA. Does it have matriculation agreements with any decent PA publics? Because, if not, this is a firm no for me.

What state do you live in, OP? If she can get into Colgate & Villanova, there is a happy medium. Perhaps the smaller non-flagship campus of a state college?

I went to HYPS and I 100% admit I am a school snob. But I would do everything in my power to convince my kid to go somewhere better. And, being honest, I would cave and take a second mortgage/co-sign loans/etc to send her to either Colgate or Villanova. They are *so* much better than ESU. It is really hard to overstate the difference.

What's the happy medium in VA? There are other threads for the various states that come down hard on those too--- VA? Lynchburg? Bridgewater? Roanoke? UMW? CNU?

I think CNU and UWM are squarely in the middle in VA these days. JMU too, though it’s gotten more competitive (but still a pretty high acceptance rate overall).

All of these schools have acceptance rates pretty near one another . . 75-85%. So aren't they all in the middle?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I find it utterly bizarre that you allowed your daughter to apply to any school that would actually be a stretch financially. It sounds like all of the other schools she applied to are expensive privates - why? You say she wasn't interested in a large state school, but surely there were small or mid-sized Pennsylvania state schools she could have included in her list? Your situation is so bizarre because while you don't want her to attend the no-name school for free, you also seem hesitant to pay $200,000 on an expensive private.

Where are your state school options?

She said that the kid didn’t like big state schools. Get off her back about the list and try to be constructive!

OP- if your kid is okay with the free school, go for it. She can transfer to UMD or your flagship state school if it feels wrong… with nothing out of pocket. Good luck.

Is it easy to transfer to UMD or UVA?

Not particularly, really not sure why people think it would be so easy to transfer from ESU to a T50 public. Way better off coming from a local community college with an established pathway.

This. East Stroudsburg is not a good school and has no relationship with UMD or UVA. Does it have matriculation agreements with any decent PA publics? Because, if not, this is a firm no for me.

What state do you live in, OP? If she can get into Colgate & Villanova, there is a happy medium. Perhaps the smaller non-flagship campus of a state college?

I went to HYPS and I 100% admit I am a school snob. But I would do everything in my power to convince my kid to go somewhere better. And, being honest, I would cave and take a second mortgage/co-sign loans/etc to send her to either Colgate or Villanova. They are *so* much better than ESU. It is really hard to overstate the difference.

DP. How utterly shortsighted. The daughter should find a mid-range public to go to if the family can't comfortably afford these schools - and it sounds like they can't.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I find it utterly bizarre that you allowed your daughter to apply to any school that would actually be a stretch financially. It sounds like all of the other schools she applied to are expensive privates - why? You say she wasn't interested in a large state school, but surely there were small or mid-sized Pennsylvania state schools she could have included in her list? Your situation is so bizarre because while you don't want her to attend the no-name school for free, you also seem hesitant to pay $200,000 on an expensive private.

Where are your state school options?

She said that the kid didn’t like big state schools. Get off her back about the list and try to be constructive!

OP- if your kid is okay with the free school, go for it. She can transfer to UMD or your flagship state school if it feels wrong… with nothing out of pocket. Good luck.

Is it easy to transfer to UMD or UVA?

Not particularly, really not sure why people think it would be so easy to transfer from ESU to a T50 public. Way better off coming from a local community college with an established pathway.

This. East Stroudsburg is not a good school and has no relationship with UMD or UVA. Does it have matriculation agreements with any decent PA publics? Because, if not, this is a firm no for me.

What state do you live in, OP? If she can get into Colgate & Villanova, there is a happy medium. Perhaps the smaller non-flagship campus of a state college?

I went to HYPS and I 100% admit I am a school snob. But I would do everything in my power to convince my kid to go somewhere better. And, being honest, I would cave and take a second mortgage/co-sign loans/etc to send her to either Colgate or Villanova. They are *so* much better than ESU. It is really hard to overstate the difference.

What's the happy medium in VA? There are other threads for the various states that come down hard on those too--- VA? Lynchburg? Bridgewater? Roanoke? UMW? CNU?

I think CNU and UWM are squarely in the middle in VA these days. JMU too, though it’s gotten more competitive (but still a pretty high acceptance rate overall).

All of these schools have acceptance rates pretty near one another . . 75-85%. So aren't they all in the middle?

Acceptance rate isn’t the only criteria for how a school is rated. UMW and CNU are definitely stronger and more well-regarded than Bridgewater and Lynchburg, even if acceptance rates are in a similar range.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I find it utterly bizarre that you allowed your daughter to apply to any school that would actually be a stretch financially. It sounds like all of the other schools she applied to are expensive privates - why? You say she wasn't interested in a large state school, but surely there were small or mid-sized Pennsylvania state schools she could have included in her list? Your situation is so bizarre because while you don't want her to attend the no-name school for free, you also seem hesitant to pay $200,000 on an expensive private.

Where are your state school options?

She said that the kid didn’t like big state schools. Get off her back about the list and try to be constructive!

OP- if your kid is okay with the free school, go for it. She can transfer to UMD or your flagship state school if it feels wrong… with nothing out of pocket. Good luck.

Is it easy to transfer to UMD or UVA?

Not particularly, really not sure why people think it would be so easy to transfer from ESU to a T50 public. Way better off coming from a local community college with an established pathway.

This. East Stroudsburg is not a good school and has no relationship with UMD or UVA. Does it have matriculation agreements with any decent PA publics? Because, if not, this is a firm no for me.

What state do you live in, OP? If she can get into Colgate & Villanova, there is a happy medium. Perhaps the smaller non-flagship campus of a state college?

I went to HYPS and I 100% admit I am a school snob. But I would do everything in my power to convince my kid to go somewhere better. And, being honest, I would cave and take a second mortgage/co-sign loans/etc to send her to either Colgate or Villanova. They are *so* much better than ESU. It is really hard to overstate the difference.

What's the happy medium in VA? There are other threads for the various states that come down hard on those too--- VA? Lynchburg? Bridgewater? Roanoke? UMW? CNU?

I think CNU and UWM are squarely in the middle in VA these days. JMU too, though it’s gotten more competitive (but still a pretty high acceptance rate overall).

All of these schools have acceptance rates pretty near one another . . 75-85%. So aren't they all in the middle?

Acceptance rate isn’t the only criteria for how a school is rated. UMW and CNU are definitely stronger and more well-regarded than Bridgewater and Lynchburg, even if acceptance rates are in a similar range.

How so?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I find it utterly bizarre that you allowed your daughter to apply to any school that would actually be a stretch financially. It sounds like all of the other schools she applied to are expensive privates - why? You say she wasn't interested in a large state school, but surely there were small or mid-sized Pennsylvania state schools she could have included in her list? Your situation is so bizarre because while you don't want her to attend the no-name school for free, you also seem hesitant to pay $200,000 on an expensive private.

Where are your state school options?

She said that the kid didn’t like big state schools. Get off her back about the list and try to be constructive!

OP- if your kid is okay with the free school, go for it. She can transfer to UMD or your flagship state school if it feels wrong… with nothing out of pocket. Good luck.

Is it easy to transfer to UMD or UVA?

Not particularly, really not sure why people think it would be so easy to transfer from ESU to a T50 public. Way better off coming from a local community college with an established pathway.

This. East Stroudsburg is not a good school and has no relationship with UMD or UVA. Does it have matriculation agreements with any decent PA publics? Because, if not, this is a firm no for me.

What state do you live in, OP? If she can get into Colgate & Villanova, there is a happy medium. Perhaps the smaller non-flagship campus of a state college?

I went to HYPS and I 100% admit I am a school snob. But I would do everything in my power to convince my kid to go somewhere better. And, being honest, I would cave and take a second mortgage/co-sign loans/etc to send her to either Colgate or Villanova. They are *so* much better than ESU. It is really hard to overstate the difference.

What's the happy medium in VA? There are other threads for the various states that come down hard on those too--- VA? Lynchburg? Bridgewater? Roanoke? UMW? CNU?

I think CNU and UWM are squarely in the middle in VA these days. JMU too, though it’s gotten more competitive (but still a pretty high acceptance rate overall).

All of these schools have acceptance rates pretty near one another . . 75-85%. So aren't they all in the middle?

Acceptance rate isn’t the only criteria for how a school is rated. UMW and CNU are definitely stronger and more well-regarded than Bridgewater and Lynchburg, even if acceptance rates are in a similar range.

How so?

For one they have VA state funding so probably won’t be going belly up too soon.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I find it utterly bizarre that you allowed your daughter to apply to any school that would actually be a stretch financially. It sounds like all of the other schools she applied to are expensive privates - why? You say she wasn't interested in a large state school, but surely there were small or mid-sized Pennsylvania state schools she could have included in her list? Your situation is so bizarre because while you don't want her to attend the no-name school for free, you also seem hesitant to pay $200,000 on an expensive private.

Where are your state school options?

She said that the kid didn’t like big state schools. Get off her back about the list and try to be constructive!

OP- if your kid is okay with the free school, go for it. She can transfer to UMD or your flagship state school if it feels wrong… with nothing out of pocket. Good luck.

Is it easy to transfer to UMD or UVA?

Not particularly, really not sure why people think it would be so easy to transfer from ESU to a T50 public. Way better off coming from a local community college with an established pathway.

This. East Stroudsburg is not a good school and has no relationship with UMD or UVA. Does it have matriculation agreements with any decent PA publics? Because, if not, this is a firm no for me.

What state do you live in, OP? If she can get into Colgate & Villanova, there is a happy medium. Perhaps the smaller non-flagship campus of a state college?

I went to HYPS and I 100% admit I am a school snob. But I would do everything in my power to convince my kid to go somewhere better. And, being honest, I would cave and take a second mortgage/co-sign loans/etc to send her to either Colgate or Villanova. They are *so* much better than ESU. It is really hard to overstate the difference.

What's the happy medium in VA? There are other threads for the various states that come down hard on those too--- VA? Lynchburg? Bridgewater? Roanoke? UMW? CNU?

I think CNU and UWM are squarely in the middle in VA these days. JMU too, though it’s gotten more competitive (but still a pretty high acceptance rate overall).

All of these schools have acceptance rates pretty near one another . . 75-85%. So aren't they all in the middle?

Acceptance rate isn’t the only criteria for how a school is rated. UMW and CNU are definitely stronger and more well-regarded than Bridgewater and Lynchburg, even if acceptance rates are in a similar range.

How so?

For one they have VA state funding so probably won’t be going belly up too soon.

Zero evidence the others will be going belly up soon. Or do you have facts to the contrary?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I find it utterly bizarre that you allowed your daughter to apply to any school that would actually be a stretch financially. It sounds like all of the other schools she applied to are expensive privates - why? You say she wasn't interested in a large state school, but surely there were small or mid-sized Pennsylvania state schools she could have included in her list? Your situation is so bizarre because while you don't want her to attend the no-name school for free, you also seem hesitant to pay $200,000 on an expensive private.

Where are your state school options?

She said that the kid didn’t like big state schools. Get off her back about the list and try to be constructive!

OP- if your kid is okay with the free school, go for it. She can transfer to UMD or your flagship state school if it feels wrong… with nothing out of pocket. Good luck.

Is it easy to transfer to UMD or UVA?

Not particularly, really not sure why people think it would be so easy to transfer from ESU to a T50 public. Way better off coming from a local community college with an established pathway.

This. East Stroudsburg is not a good school and has no relationship with UMD or UVA. Does it have matriculation agreements with any decent PA publics? Because, if not, this is a firm no for me.

What state do you live in, OP? If she can get into Colgate & Villanova, there is a happy medium. Perhaps the smaller non-flagship campus of a state college?

I went to HYPS and I 100% admit I am a school snob. But I would do everything in my power to convince my kid to go somewhere better. And, being honest, I would cave and take a second mortgage/co-sign loans/etc to send her to either Colgate or Villanova. They are *so* much better than ESU. It is really hard to overstate the difference.

What's the happy medium in VA? There are other threads for the various states that come down hard on those too--- VA? Lynchburg? Bridgewater? Roanoke? UMW? CNU?

I think CNU and UWM are squarely in the middle in VA these days. JMU too, though it’s gotten more competitive (but still a pretty high acceptance rate overall).

All of these schools have acceptance rates pretty near one another . . 75-85%. So aren't they all in the middle?

Acceptance rate isn’t the only criteria for how a school is rated. UMW and CNU are definitely stronger and more well-regarded than Bridgewater and Lynchburg, even if acceptance rates are in a similar range.

How so?

For one they have VA state funding so probably won’t be going belly up too soon.

Not a big deal if the state funding is minimal.

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Anonymous wrote:My DC has a full tuition scholarship (academic) to East Stroudsburg (applied there for reasons not relevant but also cast a wide net and all that).

Got into FAR more rigorous colleges (think, Villanova, Colgate, Lehigh) but they gave ZERO aid. And we'd be looking at $200-300K for undergraduate studies. The "in between" ones are not appealing to DC for various reasons.

Would be a pre-health path of some type.

DC is thinking of taking the full tuition scholarship. And I'm absolutely freaking out about it. I cannot find anything about their pre-health outcomes on their website. (I left these decisions re: applications mostly to her and never thought this would be what it came down to). While I'm sure there are many successful outcomes for that school, I'm feeling very anxious over the entire thing. DC worked very hard in HS and I just feel like why?

I acknowledge the snobbery in my post (i went to a similar type of school and wanted better for DC). But, I'm also legit worried about grad school and job placement outside of the small area of PA (it's more a regional school). Please give me some perspective.

Check if you can still apply to Drew University in NJ. It tends to give reasonable merit and gets overlooked by many. I think it is a hidden gem.


https://drew.edu/drew-university-grads-accepted-to-medical-schools-at-impressive-rate/

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I find it utterly bizarre that you allowed your daughter to apply to any school that would actually be a stretch financially. It sounds like all of the other schools she applied to are expensive privates - why? You say she wasn't interested in a large state school, but surely there were small or mid-sized Pennsylvania state schools she could have included in her list? Your situation is so bizarre because while you don't want her to attend the no-name school for free, you also seem hesitant to pay $200,000 on an expensive private.

Where are your state school options?

She said that the kid didn’t like big state schools. Get off her back about the list and try to be constructive!

OP- if your kid is okay with the free school, go for it. She can transfer to UMD or your flagship state school if it feels wrong… with nothing out of pocket. Good luck.

Is it easy to transfer to UMD or UVA?

I think it's easy to transfer to the UVa main campus from UVa Wise after two years.

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Anonymous wrote:I know someone who had this very similar choice, for nursing. She is a few years out of college. Her family could have paid for the in state flagship but she didn’t want to burden them and pushed for the lower tier school over her parents’ reservations.

In terms of career, it hasn’t made a huge difference. She is a nurse and doing great.

In terms of social life, I think it has made a huge difference. She went to a lower tier school and in a major that doesn’t attract high fliers. I have no doubt there are smart go getters at her school, but that’s not her circle. Her friends are noticeably different - more financial issues, family drama, more dropouts, etc. Her boyfriends have been similar. This is just her experience but to me, it felt like she ended up in a different SES. I know that sounds really snobby to say. But that is what I see.

I would think about their personality - if they aren’t that social and go along with whoever just ends up in their orbit, it could have long lasting impacts. Or maybe not!

I think this is a good point.

Another vote for this is a good point.

Huge difference between state universities and a regional school that has a huge % of commuters as well (another poster noted that).

I would re-look at middle schools that may end up offering merit and give a better, overall college experience and support for jobs/internships/grad school.

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OP, don’t send your highly capable kid to a no name regional school. Stretch and send her to Colgate. Just do it. This is a no brainer.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, don’t send your highly capable kid to a no name regional school. Stretch and send her to Colgate. Just do it. This is a no brainer.

Maybe a no brainer for you, but that’s your opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about pre-med and med schools, but I’ve been doing a bit of googling because my HS son wants to be a doctor. What I have deduced is that in the end it really doesn’t matter where you go to school. Just look at all the doctor’s credentials on Inova’s website. Most schools are foreign or unknown.
I was surprised that my well known and highly regarded doctor who delivered two of my kids went to med school in Mexico, Autonama University of Guadalajara.

My very rough math then puts your doctor attending medical school a good 25-30 years ago? Like all college admittance, the landscape to apply to medical school NOW has changed drastically.

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A PP poster said it right...Regional Universities have their function, but they aren't places that someone would travel 4 hours from the DMV to attend.

I don't know what the Regional DMV schools may be, but perhaps look into those schools. Most regional universities have flexible application windows and offer a ton of merit aid.

I recall my kid strangely getting on the email list for a regional university and receiving an email on August 15th alerting them to the fact that they still had spots available for the Fall semester that was starting in one week.

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Sorry, OP - looks like you were pushed swiftly off the edge on this thread.

As the mom of a college athlete, if this is athletics related - do NOT make the choice based on that. Your dd is one injury away from never playing again. You need to pick the college that will enable her success. No way is that ES. She can play club sports at a better place, with like-minded students.