Pritzker urges Texas Gov. Greg Abbott to stop migrant dropoffs amid winter storm: ‘I plead with you for mercy’

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.


What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?


What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?


That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.


It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...


DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'







I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?


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By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.


For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.


So who should house and feed them? Announcing you are a sanctuary city is virtue signaling. Put your money where your mouth is.


Same to folks with welcoming signs on their lawn like my sister. She has a spare room. Never seen her offer it up though.
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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.


What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?


What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?


That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.


It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...


DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'







I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?


Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.


PP you are quoting, and to take each of your points:

"Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?"

It absolutely is. We agree. That is what I meant by "lax immigration enforcement. That is primarily the fault of the Biden administration.

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. But dumping people with no notice or coordination is not the "best decision" Texas can make.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

No, it isn't "fair." This isn't a game of "us" v. "them" or a tit-for-tat. I absolutely agree that the burden should be shared and a federal solution is required. But what TX is doing is intentionally creating chaos and exacerbating a humanitarian crisis. At the bare minimum, Texas could be seeking and notifying other states and spreading it out.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.


OK, so this comes really close to saying the quiet part out loud. It isn't about solving a problem. It is about revenge. And misplaced revenge at that, because the US citizens impacted by this issue are NOT he ones implementing policy.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.

First, Chicago isn't a state, it is a city. And that is part of the problem. These people cross at various places across the huge border and are not concentrated in one urban area. They are then collected and dumped in an urban area, which makes it much more difficult- intentionally.

Second, Chicago is facilitating moves out of state- in a coordinated way, like Texas should be doing.

"The state said last week that since August 2022, some 9,000 migrants have been resettled — either by being placed in permanent housing or with relatives — both inside the state of Illinois and in other states."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-scrambles-house-migrants-winter-approaches-rcna125581
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Anonymous wrote:Speaking as a Democrat, the reaction of blue cities and Democrats to these dropoffs has swayed me to the Republican side on immigration. Why should Texas and other states on the frontlines deal alone with the burden of undocumented immigrants and the effects of failed national immigration policy? It’s perfectly fair to share the burden. Let Chicago, NYC, and other blue cities deal with it just as they expected El Paso, Laredo, and Brownsville to deal with it.


I’m just the opposite. I thought it was reasonable to “spread the pain” but the only reason to transport people to Chicago in this weather is to kill them. Abbott can transport people to other areas right now, not the northern Midwest.
And Chicago didn’t send this plea in June, when they started getting immigrants and the weather wasn’t deadly.
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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.


What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?


What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?


That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.


It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...


DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'







I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?


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By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.


For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.


So who should house and feed them? Announcing you are a sanctuary city is virtue signaling. Put your money where your mouth is.


Because these immigrants are being classed as asylum seekers — many don’t qualify. As such.

My family with US-born children were denied re-entry until they could prove they could afford to live in the US without government assistance. This is the right answer for many (most) of these so-called asylum seekers.

I’m thinking of going to NYC just so I can get a free flight to Europe and save myself half the flight cost.
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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.


What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?


What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?


That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.


It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...


DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'







I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?


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By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.


For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.


So who should house and feed them? Announcing you are a sanctuary city is virtue signaling. Put your money where your mouth is.


Because these immigrants are being classed as asylum seekers — many don’t qualify. As such.

My family with US-born children were denied re-entry until they could prove they could afford to live in the US without government assistance. This is the right answer for many (most) of these so-called asylum seekers.

I’m thinking of going to NYC just so I can get a free flight to Europe and save myself half the flight cost.


You could probably get a free medical procedure before your flight as well. I think NY taxpayers are paying $10bil for all this which I doubt is even close to what is offered to citizens.
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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.


What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?


What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?


That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.


It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...


DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'







I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?


Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.


PP you are quoting, and to take each of your points:

"Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?"

It absolutely is. We agree. That is what I meant by "lax immigration enforcement. That is primarily the fault of the Biden administration.

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. But dumping people with no notice or coordination is not the "best decision" Texas can make.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

No, it isn't "fair." This isn't a game of "us" v. "them" or a tit-for-tat. I absolutely agree that the burden should be shared and a federal solution is required. But what TX is doing is intentionally creating chaos and exacerbating a humanitarian crisis. At the bare minimum, Texas could be seeking and notifying other states and spreading it out.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.


OK, so this comes really close to saying the quiet part out loud. It isn't about solving a problem. It is about revenge. And misplaced revenge at that, because the US citizens impacted by this issue are NOT he ones implementing policy.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.

First, Chicago isn't a state, it is a city. And that is part of the problem. These people cross at various places across the huge border and are not concentrated in one urban area. They are then collected and dumped in an urban area, which makes it much more difficult- intentionally.

Second, Chicago is facilitating moves out of state- in a coordinated way, like Texas should be doing.

"The state said last week that since August 2022, some 9,000 migrants have been resettled — either by being placed in permanent housing or with relatives — both inside the state of Illinois and in other states."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-scrambles-house-migrants-winter-approaches-rcna125581


Chicago is a city in Illinois. Is Texas supposed to have enough logistics to drop them in each county/ city in Illinois? Illinois can work with Chicago to spread them out, just like Texas is working with border towns to get some people out of the state. Texas too is in crisis dealing with this issue.

So what if it is revenge? It chose Chicago based on Chicago's less hostile attitude towards them. If I see signs that the Catholic church does not support abortion, and I know a woman with an unwanted pregnancy who was considering her options, I will guide her to go there, revenge or not.

Good on Chicago for resettling these people in an organized manner! But the federal government should take charge and spread this burden. And sanctuary cities should shut up until they can come up with a model that spreads the burden equally, whatever that means, and then take their share of that burden.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever you feel about immigration and policies, I am so appalled at conservative's absolute inhumanity.

They have allowed themselves to dehumanize real, living, flesh and blood people to "illegals" and political pawns.

It seems to me you can make your arguments about stemming illegal immigration and refugees and asylum seekers without letting yourself become so cold, hard, and bloodless.

Read through the posts here...absolutely horrifying in their lack of empathy and humanity.

This whole thing is about "owning the libs" and getting one over on sanctuary cities and dehumanizing people so you can score points against "Leftists" and democrats.



It’s funny. On its face, who could argue with “having humanity”? What it has become, however, is a useless platitude, lamented by people who have absolutely no connection with the practical challenges on the ground in dealing with this. But they can at least be assured that they are “good people,” as who could actually challenge them on that statement? They are essentially insulated from any more advanced explanation due to the low bar of discourse nowadays.

It has also become a “dog whistle”, as the kids like to say today, for the implication that law and order should essentially be suspended for these people. As if they should be able to choose to relocate anywhere they would like, without having to face any challenges or negative consequences arising due to that choice. It’s completely unrealistic and silly.
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Texas is sending them to sanctuary cities. Virtue signaling has a price. Hopefully this will awaken any independents in dem run cities to the fact that there really is only one option.
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It's not about "getting one over on Sanctuary Cities"...it's about seeking responsibility for one's vote, one's actions and one's virtual signaling.

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According to the Washington Post in an article the first week of Jan. That since 2021:

U.S. Customs and Border Protection has released more than 2.3 million migrants into the United States at the southern border under the Biden administration, allowing in the vast majority of migrant families and some adult groups, according to a new report.

So Chicago is complaining about a measly 30,000? What about the other 2,270,000 people who are in other areas in the country are other cities and towns are dealing with?

This is a National crisis so everyone has to share the burden to accommodate these migrants. The people posting complaining about migrants getting sent to Chicago are failing to see the magnitude of the problem. Chicago should be getting even more migrants.
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Do you, or do you not, mean it when you claim "Sanctuary City", or the many related bumper stickers and lawn signs? If you don't stand behind what you say, just top talking and finally stop screaming and shaming everyone else.
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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are sociopaths. They don't care. They don't care if people freeze, starve, or whatever. And, the cruelty isn't by accident, it's by design.


What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?


What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?


That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.


It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...


DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'







I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?


Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.


PP you are quoting, and to take each of your points:

"Biden is the President of the U.S. If law enforcement is dumping people in Texas, like you say it is, Biden's administration is dumping people in Texas. That is Biden's administration's policy. Why is that Wrong #1?"

It absolutely is. We agree. That is what I meant by "lax immigration enforcement. That is primarily the fault of the Biden administration.

Sometimes, life is about making tough decisions, and everything is not always about being wrong or right. Sometimes both choices can be wrong or both choices can be right. However, leaders must weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision decision they can.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. But dumping people with no notice or coordination is not the "best decision" Texas can make.

If the Biden administration has decided " dumping people" in Texas ( your words) is the best decision it could make, then it's fair for Texas to " dump" some of them in other states in order to share the burden.

No, it isn't "fair." This isn't a game of "us" v. "them" or a tit-for-tat. I absolutely agree that the burden should be shared and a federal solution is required. But what TX is doing is intentionally creating chaos and exacerbating a humanitarian crisis. At the bare minimum, Texas could be seeking and notifying other states and spreading it out.

It's fair for Texas to dump them in states that seem more willing to have them. Sanctuary cities could have quietly been sanctuaries, just as Obama quietly deported illegal immigrants. Their announcement of their sanctuary status was a position meant to declare that they are taking a stance to be less hostile to these groups. Okay. Message received by Texas: take, here are some of them.


OK, so this comes really close to saying the quiet part out loud. It isn't about solving a problem. It is about revenge. And misplaced revenge at that, because the US citizens impacted by this issue are NOT he ones implementing policy.

If Chicago likes it can " dump" some of them in another state.

First, Chicago isn't a state, it is a city. And that is part of the problem. These people cross at various places across the huge border and are not concentrated in one urban area. They are then collected and dumped in an urban area, which makes it much more difficult- intentionally.

Second, Chicago is facilitating moves out of state- in a coordinated way, like Texas should be doing.

"The state said last week that since August 2022, some 9,000 migrants have been resettled — either by being placed in permanent housing or with relatives — both inside the state of Illinois and in other states."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-scrambles-house-migrants-winter-approaches-rcna125581


Chicago is a city in Illinois. Is Texas supposed to have enough logistics to drop them in each county/ city in Illinois? Illinois can work with Chicago to spread them out, just like Texas is working with border towns to get some people out of the state. Texas too is in crisis dealing with this issue.

So what if it is revenge? It chose Chicago based on Chicago's less hostile attitude towards them. If I see signs that the Catholic church does not support abortion, and I know a woman with an unwanted pregnancy who was considering her options, I will guide her to go there, revenge or not.

Good on Chicago for resettling these people in an organized manner! But the federal government should take charge and spread this burden. And sanctuary cities should shut up until they can come up with a model that spreads the burden equally, whatever that means, and then take their share of that burden.



So wait, you are saying that it is indeed revenge and you are good with that? And am I understanding that you would guide a woman with an unwanted pregnancy to a place that does not support abortion....and that is somehow revenge? On who?
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Anonymous wrote:According to the Washington Post in an article the first week of Jan. That since 2021:

U.S. Customs and Border Protection has released more than 2.3 million migrants into the United States at the southern border under the Biden administration, allowing in the vast majority of migrant families and some adult groups, according to a new report.

So Chicago is complaining about a measly 30,000? What about the other 2,270,000 people who are in other areas in the country are other cities and towns are dealing with?

This is a National crisis so everyone has to share the burden to accommodate these migrants. The people posting complaining about migrants getting sent to Chicago are failing to see the magnitude of the problem. Chicago should be getting even more migrants.


Great question!

Here is an answer- these people are spreading out among other cities and towns, and also coming in at varied times. That makes it easier to handle- though it is still not easy and still very much a problem that needs to be addressed.

And for anyone looking here is the article PP referenced: https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/01/06/biden-migrants-us-mexico-border/
I contains a good amount of context to that number.

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What’s stopping the people living in the sanctuary city of Chicago from housing these people? Why don’t the good democrats take them in to stop them from freezing to death?


What is Chicago supposed to do, pick up a stick along a roadside and wave it around Harry Potter style while yelling "Habitatum ex nihilo" expecting housing to magically appear out of nowhere?


That’s what Texas is expected to do.

It’s amazing that you don’t realize that.

No state or city can deal with the numbers of people flooding the border. Texas is showing people what has been happening there for years.

Wait until the hospitals, ERs, and schools of Chicago feel the full impact. It’s devastating. I lived in South Texas for 4 years and relocated for work recently. My family still lives there. It’s becoming worse by the day.


It is amazing that you don't realize that if it is wrong and a hardship to have no control over people "flooding" the state, it is EQUALLY IF NOT MORE wrong to intentionally do that to another state. It is as though people never learned that two wrongs don't make a right...


DP.

I will never vote for a Republican, but on this one issue, I say Bravo to Abbot!

The only way Democrats are going to be serious about illegal immigration is if blue states are burdened with the costs.

I am a bleeding heart liberal, but Democrats are hypocrites on this issue.

This "two wrongs don't make a right" argument is similar to Republicans' argument on abortion: 'the fetus' life is precious and most be saved, but you dare not ask us to help you take care of it.'







I'm the PP you quoted and do not understand the comparison you are making here. What TX is doing with dumping people:
Wrong #1: done to Texas: lax immigration enforcement lets people flood the city
Wrong #2: done to Chicago: Texas intentionally dumps people in their city without notice or time to prepare.

Wrong #2 does not become Right because of Wrong #1.

How does your analogy track that?


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By declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" these cities have already agreed to take in these people. There's no "wrong" about it.


For the 6,473rd time, that is not what "sanctuary city" means in Chicago or most other cities. All it means is that they will not enforce federal immigration laws or help CBP do their jobs for them. It DOES NOT mean "we will house and feed everyone" or any of the other such nonsense claims being made.


So who should house and feed them? Announcing you are a sanctuary city is virtue signaling. Put your money where your mouth is.


Same to folks with welcoming signs on their lawn like my sister. She has a spare room. Never seen her offer it up though.


It’s mob repellent. Whites living in safe neighborhoods with those signs in their yards are vaccinating themselves from the “brown virus” and hope to keep their money and safety along with good school district.
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Anonymous wrote:According to the Washington Post in an article the first week of Jan. That since 2021:

U.S. Customs and Border Protection has released more than 2.3 million migrants into the United States at the southern border under the Biden administration, allowing in the vast majority of migrant families and some adult groups, according to a new report.

So Chicago is complaining about a measly 30,000? What about the other 2,270,000 people who are in other areas in the country are other cities and towns are dealing with?

This is a National crisis so everyone has to share the burden to accommodate these migrants. The people posting complaining about migrants getting sent to Chicago are failing to see the magnitude of the problem. Chicago should be getting even more migrants.


Great question!

Here is an answer- these people are spreading out among other cities and towns, and also coming in at varied times. That makes it easier to handle- though it is still not easy and still very much a problem that needs to be addressed.

And for anyone looking here is the article PP referenced: https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/01/06/biden-migrants-us-mexico-border/
I contains a good amount of context to that number.



The issue is they aren't coming in at varied, predictable times. Sometimes it is over 5,000 a day rushing into Texas. So Abbott loads 2.3% (100,000 out of 2.3 million) of them onto busses and 3 cites are complaining? It isn't at all "easier to handle". These are people who aren't vetted at all.

Liberals talk about how progressive and enlightened Canada is but in fact Canada is extremely strict when it comes to immigration. They have very strict screening protocols and are pretty heartless if you want a disabled family member to immigrate to Canada. Their rules say, "The Canada Immigration Act requires this country to reject applications for immigration from persons with any “disease, disorder, disability or other health impairment” which may cause them to be “a danger to public health or public safety” or which may reasonably be expected to place “excessive demands on health or social services."

When the United States rightly or wrongly approves certain migrants like Venezuelans to have protective status then that is a pull that means Venezuelans who originally had resettled in Chile, Colombia, etc. left those safe countries and have come to the United States along with additional Venezuelans. Texas controls none of these decisions. More than 7 million Venezuelans have fled Venezuela in recent years.
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