Virtual Academy students lagging behind in person

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Anonymous wrote:Here it is again...parents in this county are so behind the times. Most districts across the country have offered virtual options since the early aughts. The fact MCPS only did in 2020 because of the pandemic is embarrassing. It's time to join the rest of the country in the 21st century without complaining because remote instruction didn't work for your kid during the pandemic. It's so absurd.

Just curious- how many of the virtual programs "across the country" are actually offered at the district level? Particularly in pre-pandemic times. Quite often the virtual programs are administered at the state level, which makes sense to me. So this is partly on the state of MD.

DP-I would first say, do your own research before asking others to do it for you. But all of my teaching friends from my program are in various states and it is offered at the district level. So, no. It's not on the state of Maryland at all. It could be implemented district wide as its done in MANY other places. MoCo has a unique set of parents that simply refuse to hear any other alternatives other than "in-person". It is sad because instead of using the money and time to refine a district wide program, people just want to shut it down because of the pandemic. All of the parents who continue to post this article on social media are the same exact parents who were at every single board meeting complaining about virtual. Doesn't take a genius to figure out their agenda. It is quite sad and pathetic.

Lady, well before the pandemic there was research showing that virtual doesn’t even work for college students. Anyone with a single brain cell knows it’s a disaster for children, and yes, we know this because of the pandemic There is an extremely narrow case for it as a stop-gap for sick kids and SN kids who truly cannot be accomodated at their current placement, but it is not a long-term solution.

My kids did great in virtual. I think the problem is mostly with parents who left young children unsupervised and expected better results. The problem isn't virtual but lazy parents.

How dare those parents work to feed their families! Who needs housing anyway?

Those kids shouldn’t be left unsupervised at home to fend for themselves.

Oh I agree. They should have been in school.

They ARE in school. Its sad you simply don't get it and are trying to justify your hate for options for families because you want free child care and think everyone else needs it.

They are chronically absent, not in school.

Kids who are chronically absent would be in either style school and often the kids are marked absent when they are not. We’ve had it happen many times and sometimes don’t bother to correct it

At least in secondary school, there are many reasons why a student might be marked absent part of the day although they entered the school building on time and didn’t leave until dismissal. Skipping is one. The other is going to the counselor. I have a student who has attended my class ten times this entire year. He attends AM classes and lunch, then hangs out in a counselor’s office the rest of the day. Those of us who teach him in the afternoon mark him absent to document that he isn’t receiving instruction. This isn’t the type of kid that DCUM believes is an attendance problem. He’s white, UMC, from an intact family. Maybe the Virtual Academy would be perfect for him.

The child isn't absent and clearly having mental health or other issues or maybe your teaching style isn't working for him or he's struggling academically and needs a good teacher to reach out to him and actually work with him.

We learned to take screen shots for virtual school. We learned to use the cell phone to show where our child was in person. We always email the teacher regarding an absence and why.

Virtual might be good for him if he has supports at home but if he doesn't have support at home, that would probably be an epic disaster.

Someone needs to work with the parents and figure out what's going on and limit the visits to the guidance counselor for 20 minutes, once or twice a week.

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Anonymous wrote:They are regurgitating what "Dr." Reesman posted attacking the school. Her data on enrollment isn't accurate and the data she is using is expected projected growth but its common kids go up and down or stay stagnant and that's not always a true measure.

Why the scare quotes?

Does she not have a doctorate in the field you are discussing?

DP but no? She doesn't..her PhD is in neuropsych. That doesnt make her an expert in the field being discussed. She clearly loves to pretend it does though. Anyone who unironically calls themself "Wonder Woman" is questionable to begin with.

So, we’re also going to dismiss other neuropsych PhDs who comment on education, right?

Most neuropsych PhD's aren't obsessive about virtual schools. It's her personal mission because she's still angry about the pandemic. Try and keep up.

Question: Does this individual run the Virtual Academy or work for it? If so, wouldn’t we as a society want its success to be her personal mission? If she’s truly some rando inserting herself, that’s different.

She isn't a part of it nor does she have kids in it. She has no idea how the classes are run or what's going on. She's looking to build a client base and stay relevant and doing it by hurting others who are benefitting from the program.

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

A state wide would not be a good option. Mcps is pushing hs kids to MC.

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

A state wide would not be a good option. Mcps is pushing hs kids to MC.

NP. I think PP makes a lot of sense--statewide VA is likely the only way to get any virtual option, given how few kids are choosing it.

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

A state wide would not be a good option. Mcps is pushing hs kids to MC.

NP. I think PP makes a lot of sense--statewide VA is likely the only way to get any virtual option, given how few kids are choosing it.

And until Annapolis does anything, MCPS will continue offering it. Annapolis will probably throw money at MCPS to include students in other counties rather than try to set a statewide system up. Much like the Montgomery County Youth Orchestra became the Maryland Classic Youth Orchestra for a few bucks. Maryland follows MoCo around like a kid brother.

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

A state wide would not be a good option. Mcps is pushing hs kids to MC.

NP. I think PP makes a lot of sense--statewide VA is likely the only way to get any virtual option, given how few kids are choosing it.

And until Annapolis does anything, MCPS will continue offering it. Annapolis will probably throw money at MCPS to include students in other counties rather than try to set a statewide system up. Much like the Montgomery County Youth Orchestra became the Maryland Classic Youth Orchestra for a few bucks. Maryland follows MoCo around like a kid brother.

There is no State Board of Youth Orchestras. That was just rebranding to sound fancier and charge more.

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

A state wide would not be a good option. Mcps is pushing hs kids to MC.

NP. I think PP makes a lot of sense--statewide VA is likely the only way to get any virtual option, given how few kids are choosing it.

And until Annapolis does anything, MCPS will continue offering it. Annapolis will probably throw money at MCPS to include students in other counties rather than try to set a statewide system up. Much like the Montgomery County Youth Orchestra became the Maryland Classic Youth Orchestra for a few bucks. Maryland follows MoCo around like a kid brother.

There is no State Board of Youth Orchestras. That was just rebranding to sound fancier and charge more.

You missed the point. The State of Maryland, on seeing that MoCo managed to create something, paid MoCo to take on outside students rather than try to create a state-wide version. They'll do the same with virtual school. MCPS will get funding from the state to take on students from other counties before we the state try to come up with their own version.

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

A state wide would not be a good option. Mcps is pushing hs kids to MC.

NP. I think PP makes a lot of sense--statewide VA is likely the only way to get any virtual option, given how few kids are choosing it.

And until Annapolis does anything, MCPS will continue offering it. Annapolis will probably throw money at MCPS to include students in other counties rather than try to set a statewide system up. Much like the Montgomery County Youth Orchestra became the Maryland Classic Youth Orchestra for a few bucks. Maryland follows MoCo around like a kid brother.

There is no State Board of Youth Orchestras. That was just rebranding to sound fancier and charge more.

You missed the point. The State of Maryland, on seeing that MoCo managed to create something, paid MoCo to take on outside students rather than try to create a state-wide version. They'll do the same with virtual school. MCPS will get funding from the state to take on students from other counties before we the state try to come up with their own version.

Ooh that would be good strategy on MCPS' part- create something and then try to market to others to get paid. Just like they tried to do with 2.0 (although that didn't go as well I guess).

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

A state wide would not be a good option. Mcps is pushing hs kids to MC.

NP. I think PP makes a lot of sense--statewide VA is likely the only way to get any virtual option, given how few kids are choosing it.

And until Annapolis does anything, MCPS will continue offering it. Annapolis will probably throw money at MCPS to include students in other counties rather than try to set a statewide system up. Much like the Montgomery County Youth Orchestra became the Maryland Classic Youth Orchestra for a few bucks. Maryland follows MoCo around like a kid brother.

There is no State Board of Youth Orchestras. That was just rebranding to sound fancier and charge more.

You missed the point. The State of Maryland, on seeing that MoCo managed to create something, paid MoCo to take on outside students rather than try to create a state-wide version. They'll do the same with virtual school. MCPS will get funding from the state to take on students from other counties before we the state try to come up with their own version.

Who paid whom to do what, now? MCYO is a 501(c)(3). It has no affiliation with county or state government.

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

A state wide would not be a good option. Mcps is pushing hs kids to MC.

NP. I think PP makes a lot of sense--statewide VA is likely the only way to get any virtual option, given how few kids are choosing it.

And until Annapolis does anything, MCPS will continue offering it. Annapolis will probably throw money at MCPS to include students in other counties rather than try to set a statewide system up. Much like the Montgomery County Youth Orchestra became the Maryland Classic Youth Orchestra for a few bucks. Maryland follows MoCo around like a kid brother.

There is no State Board of Youth Orchestras. That was just rebranding to sound fancier and charge more.

You missed the point. The State of Maryland, on seeing that MoCo managed to create something, paid MoCo to take on outside students rather than try to create a state-wide version. They'll do the same with virtual school. MCPS will get funding from the state to take on students from other counties before we the state try to come up with their own version.

Who paid whom to do what, now? MCYO is a 501(c)(3). It has no affiliation with county or state government.

Which the county and state have been donating to for years.

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

A state wide would not be a good option. Mcps is pushing hs kids to MC.

NP. I think PP makes a lot of sense--statewide VA is likely the only way to get any virtual option, given how few kids are choosing it.

And until Annapolis does anything, MCPS will continue offering it. Annapolis will probably throw money at MCPS to include students in other counties rather than try to set a statewide system up. Much like the Montgomery County Youth Orchestra became the Maryland Classic Youth Orchestra for a few bucks. Maryland follows MoCo around like a kid brother.

There is no State Board of Youth Orchestras. That was just rebranding to sound fancier and charge more.

You missed the point. The State of Maryland, on seeing that MoCo managed to create something, paid MoCo to take on outside students rather than try to create a state-wide version. They'll do the same with virtual school. MCPS will get funding from the state to take on students from other counties before we the state try to come up with their own version.

Who paid whom to do what, now? MCYO is a 501(c)(3). It has no affiliation with county or state government.

The county and state have a higher level youth orchestra. MCYO may get grants and subsidized space but families pay for that program. This is not equal. Our state goes by counties so it’s up to mcps to run it. The cost is far cheaper than in person so why do you care?

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

A state wide would not be a good option. Mcps is pushing hs kids to MC.

NP. I think PP makes a lot of sense--statewide VA is likely the only way to get any virtual option, given how few kids are choosing it.

And until Annapolis does anything, MCPS will continue offering it. Annapolis will probably throw money at MCPS to include students in other counties rather than try to set a statewide system up. Much like the Montgomery County Youth Orchestra became the Maryland Classic Youth Orchestra for a few bucks. Maryland follows MoCo around like a kid brother.

There is no State Board of Youth Orchestras. That was just rebranding to sound fancier and charge more.

You missed the point. The State of Maryland, on seeing that MoCo managed to create something, paid MoCo to take on outside students rather than try to create a state-wide version. They'll do the same with virtual school. MCPS will get funding from the state to take on students from other counties before we the state try to come up with their own version.

Who paid whom to do what, now? MCYO is a 501(c)(3). It has no affiliation with county or state government.

Which the county and state have been donating to for years.

The county donates to lots of nonprofits. Virtual academy is not a nonprofit it’s a program within mcps.

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

A state wide would not be a good option. Mcps is pushing hs kids to MC.

NP. I think PP makes a lot of sense--statewide VA is likely the only way to get any virtual option, given how few kids are choosing it.

And until Annapolis does anything, MCPS will continue offering it. Annapolis will probably throw money at MCPS to include students in other counties rather than try to set a statewide system up. Much like the Montgomery County Youth Orchestra became the Maryland Classic Youth Orchestra for a few bucks. Maryland follows MoCo around like a kid brother.

There is no State Board of Youth Orchestras. That was just rebranding to sound fancier and charge more.

You missed the point. The State of Maryland, on seeing that MoCo managed to create something, paid MoCo to take on outside students rather than try to create a state-wide version. They'll do the same with virtual school. MCPS will get funding from the state to take on students from other counties before we the state try to come up with their own version.

Who paid whom to do what, now? MCYO is a 501(c)(3). It has no affiliation with county or state government.

The county and state have a higher level youth orchestra. MCYO may get grants and subsidized space but families pay for that program. This is not equal. Our state goes by counties so it’s up to mcps to run it. The cost is far cheaper than in person so why do you care?

What are you talking about? No they don't. All-County/All-State are not youth orchestras.

But the comparison between MCYO and the MCPS Virtual Academy is bonkers to begin with.

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Anonymous wrote:That being said, the per-home-school numbers aren't particularly meaningful anyway. The cumulative numbers tell the story. VA is too small on its own and should be combined at the state level.

This. The best thing VA proponents can do is lobby for a robust statewide option. I'm not sure why they are so invested in keeping VA at the MCPS level when they have no intention of ever returning in person anyway. As enrollment at the MCPS level dwindles, so will course offerings, etc. You need a bigger pool of student long-term to make it work.

A state wide would not be a good option. Mcps is pushing hs kids to MC.

NP. I think PP makes a lot of sense--statewide VA is likely the only way to get any virtual option, given how few kids are choosing it.

And until Annapolis does anything, MCPS will continue offering it. Annapolis will probably throw money at MCPS to include students in other counties rather than try to set a statewide system up. Much like the Montgomery County Youth Orchestra became the Maryland Classic Youth Orchestra for a few bucks. Maryland follows MoCo around like a kid brother.

There is no State Board of Youth Orchestras. That was just rebranding to sound fancier and charge more.

You missed the point. The State of Maryland, on seeing that MoCo managed to create something, paid MoCo to take on outside students rather than try to create a state-wide version. They'll do the same with virtual school. MCPS will get funding from the state to take on students from other counties before we the state try to come up with their own version.

Who paid whom to do what, now? MCYO is a 501(c)(3). It has no affiliation with county or state government.

The county and state have a higher level youth orchestra. MCYO may get grants and subsidized space but families pay for that program. This is not equal. Our state goes by counties so it’s up to mcps to run it. The cost is far cheaper than in person so why do you care?

What are you talking about? No they don't. All-County/All-State are not youth orchestras.

But the comparison between MCYO and the MCPS Virtual Academy is bonkers to begin with.

Either way the All-County/State are still available to families, just as MCYO is but the comparison is bonkers. Maybe MCYO can offer music to the virtual kids.