Why are dozens of principals leaving Fairfax Co. schools?

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Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

NP. It’s hard to retain respect for school employees who come on here and whine incessantly about how “impossible” their jobs are.

You would find many other jobs make far greater demands and require greater sacrifices.

BS.

I don't know anyone besides my family who are teachers who uses their own funds to purchase food, coats and gloves, books, and supplies for their "clients." Maybe some social workers do as well, but I don't know of any who are.

The only other people I know who regularly give up one or both weekend days to do their job are attorneys.

I don't think there are many other professionals who deal with the vitriol spewed the way teachers do. Just reading this forum is a window into what they experience. It's disgusting at times.

Cry more.

I'm not crying. I am merely defending the truth, a truth your reply supports.

Nah, you're just trying to make the case for more money as usual.

And what exactly is the problem with teachers getting paid more? I’ve noticed that very few teachers complain about money. They are normally discuss issues with behavior, planning time, admin/central office support, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

NP. It’s hard to retain respect for school employees who come on here and whine incessantly about how “impossible” their jobs are.

You would find many other jobs make far greater demands and require greater sacrifices.

BS.

I don't know anyone besides my family who are teachers who uses their own funds to purchase food, coats and gloves, books, and supplies for their "clients." Maybe some social workers do as well, but I don't know of any who are.

The only other people I know who regularly give up one or both weekend days to do their job are attorneys.

I don't think there are many other professionals who deal with the vitriol spewed the way teachers do. Just reading this forum is a window into what they experience. It's disgusting at times.

Cry more.

I'm not crying. I am merely defending the truth, a truth your reply supports.

Nah, you're just trying to make the case for more money as usual.

And what exactly is the problem with teachers getting paid more? I’ve noticed that very few teachers complain about money. They are normally discuss issues with behavior, planning time, admin/central office support, etc.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

NP. It’s hard to retain respect for school employees who come on here and whine incessantly about how “impossible” their jobs are.

You would find many other jobs make far greater demands and require greater sacrifices.

BS.

I don't know anyone besides my family who are teachers who uses their own funds to purchase food, coats and gloves, books, and supplies for their "clients." Maybe some social workers do as well, but I don't know of any who are.

The only other people I know who regularly give up one or both weekend days to do their job are attorneys.

I don't think there are many other professionals who deal with the vitriol spewed the way teachers do. Just reading this forum is a window into what they experience. It's disgusting at times.

Cry more.

I'm not crying. I am merely defending the truth, a truth your reply supports.

Nah, you're just trying to make the case for more money as usual.

More money for whom? What on earth are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The average this year is $20k per student. Even as expensive as this area is, that is a lot of money per student. Does that fee even include the building costs through bonds? I'm not sure.

It includes SPED and ESOL and Title I. English as a primary language NT kids from middle class homes are getting closer to 10k spent on them

It is closer to $12-$13k. It was $10k about 10 years ago. You can see the breakdowns per student if you drill down into the budget but I don't have time to review in that much detail. The average cost per pupil 10 years ago was around $15k. Now it's $20k. That's a significant increase. The educational standards and teaching have gone down since then.

There are far more special education students now, who need far greater services than ever before. The amount of money spent per pupil for a middle class, non-disabled, non-ESOL student is a fraction of the cost of disabled students. There are kids in school who have 1-to-1 all day, year round.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

Okay twinkle toes. Here’s the thing very few people love their jobs. You are lucky if you do, but most don’t. Love has nothing to do with conducting yourself in a capable, competent and professional manner.

If you want to be the adult equivalent of a schoolyard bully, in total control, and not have your actions be questioned or criticized then may I suggest the FFX county Sheriff’s Office. I hear the county is hiring prison guards.

Go work out your anger, aggression and control issues on the career cons. Warning though when they don’t like you they won’t just grumble and complain to the higher ups. They’ll probably just shank you in the kidney and call it a day.

Hope a career spent policing cafeteria food fights and hallway dilly dalliers hasn’t made you soft.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

Okay twinkle toes. Here’s the thing very few people love their jobs. You are lucky if you do, but most don’t. Love has nothing to do with conducting yourself in a capable, competent and professional manner.

If you want to be the adult equivalent of a schoolyard bully, in total control, and not have your actions be questioned or criticized then may I suggest the FFX county Sheriff’s Office. I hear the county is hiring prison guards.

Go work out your anger, aggression and control issues on the career cons. Warning though when they don’t like you they won’t just grumble and complain to the higher ups. They’ll probably just shank you in the kidney and call it a day.

Hope a career spent policing cafeteria food fights and hallway dilly dalliers hasn’t made you soft.

PP, are you feeling alright?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

Okay twinkle toes. Here’s the thing very few people love their jobs. You are lucky if you do, but most don’t. Love has nothing to do with conducting yourself in a capable, competent and professional manner.

If you want to be the adult equivalent of a schoolyard bully, in total control, and not have your actions be questioned or criticized then may I suggest the FFX county Sheriff’s Office. I hear the county is hiring prison guards.

Go work out your anger, aggression and control issues on the career cons. Warning though when they don’t like you they won’t just grumble and complain to the higher ups. They’ll probably just shank you in the kidney and call it a day.

Hope a career spent policing cafeteria food fights and hallway dilly dalliers hasn’t made you soft.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

Okay twinkle toes. Here’s the thing very few people love their jobs. You are lucky if you do, but most don’t. Love has nothing to do with conducting yourself in a capable, competent and professional manner.

If you want to be the adult equivalent of a schoolyard bully, in total control, and not have your actions be questioned or criticized then may I suggest the FFX county Sheriff’s Office. I hear the county is hiring prison guards.

Go work out your anger, aggression and control issues on the career cons. Warning though when they don’t like you they won’t just grumble and complain to the higher ups. They’ll probably just shank you in the kidney and call it a day.

Hope a career spent policing cafeteria food fights and hallway dilly dalliers hasn’t made you soft.

LOL one flew over the cuckoos nest I'm not "twinkle toes" but wow you have a lot of issues as a parent and human.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

Okay twinkle toes. Here’s the thing very few people love their jobs. You are lucky if you do, but most don’t. Love has nothing to do with conducting yourself in a capable, competent and professional manner.

If you want to be the adult equivalent of a schoolyard bully, in total control, and not have your actions be questioned or criticized then may I suggest the FFX county Sheriff’s Office. I hear the county is hiring prison guards.

Go work out your anger, aggression and control issues on the career cons. Warning though when they don’t like you they won’t just grumble and complain to the higher ups. They’ll probably just shank you in the kidney and call it a day.

Hope a career spent policing cafeteria food fights and hallway dilly dalliers hasn’t made you soft.

LOL one flew over the cuckoos nest I'm not "twinkle toes" but wow you have a lot of issues as a parent and human.

I don’t get this comment at all. PP made some very valid points. Most people do not love their jobs. And teachers need to develop a thicker skin when it comes to people complaining about them. If they don’t want anyone questioning them, they should try working in a prison. That’s all PP was saying. What issues do you get from that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

ummm.... we get it your the PP defending your crazy statement.
My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

Okay twinkle toes. Here’s the thing very few people love their jobs. You are lucky if you do, but most don’t. Love has nothing to do with conducting yourself in a capable, competent and professional manner.

If you want to be the adult equivalent of a schoolyard bully, in total control, and not have your actions be questioned or criticized then may I suggest the FFX county Sheriff’s Office. I hear the county is hiring prison guards.

Go work out your anger, aggression and control issues on the career cons. Warning though when they don’t like you they won’t just grumble and complain to the higher ups. They’ll probably just shank you in the kidney and call it a day.

Hope a career spent policing cafeteria food fights and hallway dilly dalliers hasn’t made you soft.

LOL one flew over the cuckoos nest I'm not "twinkle toes" but wow you have a lot of issues as a parent and human.

I don’t get this comment at all. PP made some very valid points. Most people do not love their jobs. And teachers need to develop a thicker skin when it comes to people complaining about them. If they don’t want anyone questioning them, they should try working in a prison. That’s all PP was saying. What issues do you get from that?

we get it your defending your own crazy statements.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

Okay twinkle toes. Here’s the thing very few people love their jobs. You are lucky if you do, but most don’t. Love has nothing to do with conducting yourself in a capable, competent and professional manner.

If you want to be the adult equivalent of a schoolyard bully, in total control, and not have your actions be questioned or criticized then may I suggest the FFX county Sheriff’s Office. I hear the county is hiring prison guards.

Go work out your anger, aggression and control issues on the career cons. Warning though when they don’t like you they won’t just grumble and complain to the higher ups. They’ll probably just shank you in the kidney and call it a day.

Hope a career spent policing cafeteria food fights and hallway dilly dalliers hasn’t made you soft.

LOL one flew over the cuckoos nest I'm not "twinkle toes" but wow you have a lot of issues as a parent and human.

I don’t get this comment at all. PP made some very valid points. Most people do not love their jobs. And teachers need to develop a thicker skin when it comes to people complaining about them. If they don’t want anyone questioning them, they should try working in a prison. That’s all PP was saying. What issues do you get from that?

From what I can tell from DCUM, the teachers actually have pretty thick skin. They can “give it”, just as much as parents do. I’ve seen plenty of overly sensitive parents on this forum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

Okay twinkle toes. Here’s the thing very few people love their jobs. You are lucky if you do, but most don’t. Love has nothing to do with conducting yourself in a capable, competent and professional manner.

If you want to be the adult equivalent of a schoolyard bully, in total control, and not have your actions be questioned or criticized then may I suggest the FFX county Sheriff’s Office. I hear the county is hiring prison guards.

Go work out your anger, aggression and control issues on the career cons. Warning though when they don’t like you they won’t just grumble and complain to the higher ups. They’ll probably just shank you in the kidney and call it a day.

Hope a career spent policing cafeteria food fights and hallway dilly dalliers hasn’t made you soft.

LOL one flew over the cuckoos nest I'm not "twinkle toes" but wow you have a lot of issues as a parent and human.

I don’t get this comment at all. PP made some very valid points. Most people do not love their jobs. And teachers need to develop a thicker skin when it comes to people complaining about them. If they don’t want anyone questioning them, they should try working in a prison. That’s all PP was saying. What issues do you get from that?

From what I can tell from DCUM, the teachers actually have pretty thick skin. They can “give it”, just as much as parents do. I’ve seen plenty of overly sensitive parents on this forum.

Well, we keep showing everyday for YOUR children so I’d say my skin is pretty thick!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:here are the top reasons IMO:
- the overly litigious nature of some families who have unreasonable expectations of public school and special education.
-the limits placed on disciplining students because some parents fight back and avoid discipline with excuses like discrimination or disabilities.
-not enough staff in elementary schools.
-people are politicizing education.
-parents don’t respect educators and see them as low class stupid babysitters instead of intelligent, skilled, (but human) professionals

Wow. Hope you are never a parent. Private schools paying teachers less are growing. Somehow they also have discriminatory parents and confident principals. Maybe they spend less time worrying about parents and more time making a school they are proud of. Just a thought.

Just a thought. ..private schools don't have to accept kids with behavior problems or lower cognitive levels.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

ummm.... we get it your the PP defending your crazy statement.
My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

Okay twinkle toes. Here’s the thing very few people love their jobs. You are lucky if you do, but most don’t. Love has nothing to do with conducting yourself in a capable, competent and professional manner.

If you want to be the adult equivalent of a schoolyard bully, in total control, and not have your actions be questioned or criticized then may I suggest the FFX county Sheriff’s Office. I hear the county is hiring prison guards.

Go work out your anger, aggression and control issues on the career cons. Warning though when they don’t like you they won’t just grumble and complain to the higher ups. They’ll probably just shank you in the kidney and call it a day.

Hope a career spent policing cafeteria food fights and hallway dilly dalliers hasn’t made you soft.

LOL one flew over the cuckoos nest I'm not "twinkle toes" but wow you have a lot of issues as a parent and human.

I don’t get this comment at all. PP made some very valid points. Most people do not love their jobs. And teachers need to develop a thicker skin when it comes to people complaining about them. If they don’t want anyone questioning them, they should try working in a prison. That’s all PP was saying. What issues do you get from that?

we get it your defending your own crazy statements.

Feel free to check with Jeff. I’m an NP who disagrees with you and you can’t stand it. Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:here are the top reasons IMO:
- the overly litigious nature of some families who have unreasonable expectations of public school and special education.
-the limits placed on disciplining students because some parents fight back and avoid discipline with excuses like discrimination or disabilities.
-not enough staff in elementary schools.
-people are politicizing education.
-parents don’t respect educators and see them as low class stupid babysitters instead of intelligent, skilled, (but human) professionals

Wow. Hope you are never a parent. Private schools paying teachers less are growing. Somehow they also have discriminatory parents and confident principals. Maybe they spend less time worrying about parents and more time making a school they are proud of. Just a thought.

Just a thought. ..private schools don't have to accept kids with behavior problems or lower cognitive levels.

Make up your mind who you are complaining about. You've now complained about all students and parents at your school at different times. Btw some of them do still accept these kids. Maybe you just have a negative outlook. I doubt any student other than a perfect one that adored you would be acceptable. You are missing something in your life that no student or job can give you.