I find it annoying when people get on here and say it really doesn't matter where your kid goes

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why the focus on medicine, but students get into top medical schools from public universities all them time. Many of the top medical schools ARE at the very same schools.

Because its a given there to get high income even if you are mediocre and just doing basics. In law or finance or consulting, you've to be really top to get to top income.

Not true. It just isn't. I look at the people in the offices around me, around my siblings in their offices, my husband in his, my nephews and nieces in theirs, and it simply isn't true. There is an enormous variety of schools represented. And many of the "top college" people flame out too. In fact, in my summer associate class, two of the ones who didn't get offers went to Harvard and Yale. It's not where you went, but who you are and how well you do. Top income comes from building your book of business by hitching your self to the right practice group, getting results, and hustling. And even so, you cam make a top 3% living without all that.

US News published a graphic showing salary by school and industry sector. You notice it's bimodal:
1. T20 schools in private sector start at $180k
2. All the rest, median starting salary especially for public sector jobs is around $60k which is less than a lot of people with just a BA, lmao

So no, you don't have to go to the top college to do well in law and make a great living - no doubt there are exceptions - but that's the way to bet, and I sure wouldn't go into debt for a law degree to start at $60k

Law school is not a good example.
We are talking undergrad.

Undergrad business major could be a great example.

The PP this was responding to was talking about law.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but it doesn’t matter. It matters to the the overbearing helicopter parent that wear their kid’s college brand like a designer handbag and that we will be directionless and aimless when DC leaves the nest. But for your kid, their employer will care that they went to school but not where. The exception, of course, is on both extremes. If they go to a top 5-7 school, great, they get bonus points (except for the many employers that specifically don’t want someone with those credentials because they tend to believe that they are entitled to an accelerated journey). On the other extreme, if they went to an online school or a super esoteric school, there better be a good reason.

Other than that, schools #7-150 or so are completely interchangeable in the real world.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree that this applies to everyone. The assumption that wealth & eduction correlates with Middle class white culture is so off-putting. I'm asian and a child of immigrants- I've seen way too many successful lives destroyed by events that would never be life 'destroyers' for their white peers b/c of a lack of exposure to ideas/UMC ways of doing things and confidence. The difference that going to a top ten law school would make for my kid even though their parents are lawyers will be much much bigger than it is for your kids and there are plenty of immigrants, brown and black people and even first generation college grad white posters here and we know better than you how social mobility works b/c its something we have experienced for ourselves, not just read about in the Atlantic and VOX. I've seen first hand the difference in girls who go to George mason vs. even UVA/George Washington and what they've gone on to do with their lives. Exposure to a wider set of possibilities and the self concept that you are one of the ppl who should be applying to post docs at Magdalen college and MS at LSE and opening businesses with friends you met at NYU Beijing are vastly different than a fed contractor driving to target and their home in Burke with no USAID/FSO posting in sight day after miserable day. Many ppl on here have benefited from their superior merit and work ethic and want make sure that their kids move that one rung up to having even more choices and possibilities when their grandparents struggled and sacrificed. That is what ppl move here for, if I wanted to keep treading water, my father should've stayed home and not left his family and everyone he held dear.

As a person whose grandparents literally plowed fields behind a mule and picked tobacco, I find everything about this post extremely offensive, especially the notion that being “fed contractor driving to target” is somehow a terrible fate.

So, so, so entitled, clueless and gross. Please don’t try to speak for anyone else. You don’t represent us.

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lol at the people born on 3rd base thinking they hit a homerun

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but it doesn’t matter. It matters to the the overbearing helicopter parent that wear their kid’s college brand like a designer handbag and that we will be directionless and aimless when DC leaves the nest. But for your kid, their employer will care that they went to school but not where. The exception, of course, is on both extremes. If they go to a top 5-7 school, great, they get bonus points (except for the many employers that specifically don’t want someone with those credentials because they tend to believe that they are entitled to an accelerated journey). On the other extreme, if they went to an online school or a super esoteric school, there better be a good reason.

Other than that, schools #7-150 or so are completely interchangeable in the real world.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree that this applies to everyone. The assumption that wealth & eduction correlates with Middle class white culture is so off-putting. I'm asian and a child of immigrants- I've seen way too many successful lives destroyed by events that would never be life 'destroyers' for their white peers b/c of a lack of exposure to ideas/UMC ways of doing things and confidence. The difference that going to a top ten law school would make for my kid even though their parents are lawyers will be much much bigger than it is for your kids and there are plenty of immigrants, brown and black people and even first generation college grad white posters here and we know better than you how social mobility works b/c its something we have experienced for ourselves, not just read about in the Atlantic and VOX. I've seen first hand the difference in girls who go to George mason vs. even UVA/George Washington and what they've gone on to do with their lives. Exposure to a wider set of possibilities and the self concept that you are one of the ppl who should be applying to post docs at Magdalen college and MS at LSE and opening businesses with friends you met at NYU Beijing are vastly different than a fed contractor driving to target and their home in Burke with no USAID/FSO posting in sight day after miserable day. Many ppl on here have benefited from their superior merit and work ethic and want make sure that their kids move that one rung up to having even more choices and possibilities when their grandparents struggled and sacrificed. That is what ppl move here for, if I wanted to keep treading water, my father should've stayed home and not left his family and everyone he held dear.

+1
AMEN!!

Thank you. It is nerve wrecking to have discussions on this board because the majority lack basic knowledge about the experiences of immigrants especially brown and black people.

+1 have to agree. I'm a child of uneducated immigrants, and I went to a no name state u. I think if I had gone to a "better" school, it would've broadened my horizons, and I could've achieved a lot more.

that's not to say that I don't have a great life. I have a umc life, and I'm thankful for it. I eventually ended up at a FAANG. But, going to no name state u meant that I did not have that exposure and network to venture out more.

You don't have to go to a T10 to get that kind of exposure and experience, but where you go can and, often times, does impact the trajectory of your career.

Well, if you're working for a FAANG company, your state school adequately prepared you to get the door open to one of the largest tech companies in America. FAANG is the HPYSM of the NASDAQ. If you're stuck in middle management at that company, it's not because your lack of network didn't get you opportunity. You clearly have opportunity, you work for one of the richest, most advanced companies in the country. It's on you to take advantage of it.

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I promise you we recruiters do not know the #30 from the #45 school. When I campus recruit it's only from that school. When applicants respond to jobs, I'm looking at GPA, is it a school I've heard of and then it goes to work experience/internships. Interviews are about soft skills.

I absolutely guarantee you that it really does not matter what school beyond one a good fit for your kid that ultimately matters. You do your best to put them in a place they can grow and will be happy at.

Unless your kid is Mensa or really fits Ivy or if they are trying to go I-bank, even in tech, they can get a great job from 400 schools.

Graduate schools are different. Academic and professional industries are different. Pedigree is not important for a regular job you can still make a good living at.

Soft skills are waaaaaaaaay more important longterm. After 3 years of experience in most fields it's about work experience. I know Senior VPs with BS undergrad and community college degrees. I know MBAs from Duke who are morons.

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OP: you’re being disingenuous. You love the bloodsport. If you were truly annoyed, you won’t be here and certainly won’t be posting this

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Undergrad is basically extended high school. Grad school matters a bit.

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Anonymous wrote:OP: you’re being disingenuous. You love the bloodsport. If you were truly annoyed, you won’t be here and certainly won’t be posting this

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but it doesn’t matter. It matters to the the overbearing helicopter parent that wear their kid’s college brand like a designer handbag and that we will be directionless and aimless when DC leaves the nest. But for your kid, their employer will care that they went to school but not where. The exception, of course, is on both extremes. If they go to a top 5-7 school, great, they get bonus points (except for the many employers that specifically don’t want someone with those credentials because they tend to believe that they are entitled to an accelerated journey). On the other extreme, if they went to an online school or a super esoteric school, there better be a good reason.

Other than that, schools #7-150 or so are completely interchangeable in the real world.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree that this applies to everyone. The assumption that wealth & eduction correlates with Middle class white culture is so off-putting. I'm asian and a child of immigrants- I've seen way too many successful lives destroyed by events that would never be life 'destroyers' for their white peers b/c of a lack of exposure to ideas/UMC ways of doing things and confidence. The difference that going to a top ten law school would make for my kid even though their parents are lawyers will be much much bigger than it is for your kids and there are plenty of immigrants, brown and black people and even first generation college grad white posters here and we know better than you how social mobility works b/c its something we have experienced for ourselves, not just read about in the Atlantic and VOX. I've seen first hand the difference in girls who go to George mason vs. even UVA/George Washington and what they've gone on to do with their lives. Exposure to a wider set of possibilities and the self concept that you are one of the ppl who should be applying to post docs at Magdalen college and MS at LSE and opening businesses with friends you met at NYU Beijing are vastly different than a fed contractor driving to target and their home in Burke with no USAID/FSO posting in sight day after miserable day. Many ppl on here have benefited from their superior merit and work ethic and want make sure that their kids move that one rung up to having even more choices and possibilities when their grandparents struggled and sacrificed. That is what ppl move here for, if I wanted to keep treading water, my father should've stayed home and not left his family and everyone he held dear.

+1
AMEN!!

Thank you. It is nerve wrecking to have discussions on this board because the majority lack basic knowledge about the experiences of immigrants especially brown and black people.

+1 have to agree. I'm a child of uneducated immigrants, and I went to a no name state u. I think if I had gone to a "better" school, it would've broadened my horizons, and I could've achieved a lot more.

that's not to say that I don't have a great life. I have a umc life, and I'm thankful for it. I eventually ended up at a FAANG. But, going to no name state u meant that I did not have that exposure and network to venture out more.

You don't have to go to a T10 to get that kind of exposure and experience, but where you go can and, often times, does impact the trajectory of your career.

Well, if you're working for a FAANG company, your state school adequately prepared you to get the door open to one of the largest tech companies in America. FAANG is the HPYSM of the NASDAQ. If you're stuck in middle management at that company, it's not because your lack of network didn't get you opportunity. You clearly have opportunity, you work for one of the richest, most advanced companies in the country. It's on you to take advantage of it.

My state univ didn't really prepare me to work for that FAANG company. Some of it was luck, right place right time, and some of it was just that my brain works a certain way and I'm very efficient and good at what I do.

It took me a lot longer to get to that FAANG than someone who went to MIT, for example. I was the oldest in my team by several years. If I had gone to MIT, for example, I would've ended up at FAANG a lot sooner. Instead, I took the longer, circuitous route because I went to a no name state u.

Having stated that, I do think I did well for myself coming from my background. And you are right. If I really had wanted to climb that corporate ladder, I probably could have, but I didn't want to. Sometimes I wonder if my reluctance to do that was because I did not have the opportunities to pursue bigger things while I was in college, and so my mindset is stuck on the lower totem pole.

But, the point is that if you want to go far in your career, it's a lot easier to do that if you go to a T10 than a T100. It's not impossible, obviously, just a lot easier.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny when affluent whites use all sorts of tactics such as legacy, donation, sports, even bribery, to send their kids to high profile colleges, it's the American way and tradition.

When Asians families try to send their kids to the schools with merit, they say it doesn't matter, and ask why you do that.

Asian Americans have the highest HHI of any ethnic group - higher than whites. Nothing is stopping them from doing the donation / bribery / full pay approach. They should be able to beat whites at it because Asians have more money.

Asian Americans, for the same reason, should be able to excel at all the "rich kid" sports that DCUM thinks white people use to sneak their way into college - squash, lacrosse, golf, sailing, equitation, etc. In fact Asian Americans should beat whites at this because the Asian American students ALSO have great academic chops.

Legacy is only a matter of time.

In short, all these things you say whitey uses - you can and should do that too. You can beat whitey at them. Why aren't you? If you aren't then that's on you.

On average, Asian Americans make more than any other group. But, the 1%ers who can shell out the kind of donation funds that will buy your kid's way into an elite college are mostly white. That's what happens when a country's elite class was all white, and they kept practices like legacy to keep it white. It's called "opportunity hoarding'.

Asian Americans have this annoying habit of thinking that an academic institution should mostly be about academics rather than athletics. Even so, there are actually a lot more Asian American athletes on the global scene than before, but the numbers are still smaller than "whiteys". That will probably gradually change, too.

Nice cope. Too bad Asian Americans are more than doubly [b]overrepresented in the top 1% relative to their share of the overall population.[/b] That's not what's holding them back from buying their way in, if they want to do so.

"Asian Americans have this annoying habit of thinking that an academic institution should mostly be about academics" - the academic system was a lot easier for them to game than the athletic system, where lack of ability is glaringly obvious.

"Asian athlete numbers are still smaller than "whiteys"." - uh, well, in fact they always should be, unless and until the country becomes majority Asian. Which is a long way away but not impossible.

It doesn't matter what the whole US population is since the whole of the population is not applying to those colleges. This argument makes no sense. Compare to the demographics of the college admit population to that of the applicant pool. What's the ratio there?

"Lack of ability is glaringly obvious" in athletics.. hm.. is that why so many white parents pay up the nose for expensive coaches and teams? Because they have real innate athletic talent? Ok, then.

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Anonymous wrote:What they mean is that it doesn’t matter TO THEM where YOUR kid goes.

This sums up the whole thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but it doesn’t matter. It matters to the the overbearing helicopter parent that wear their kid’s college brand like a designer handbag and that we will be directionless and aimless when DC leaves the nest. But for your kid, their employer will care that they went to school but not where. The exception, of course, is on both extremes. If they go to a top 5-7 school, great, they get bonus points (except for the many employers that specifically don’t want someone with those credentials because they tend to believe that they are entitled to an accelerated journey). On the other extreme, if they went to an online school or a super esoteric school, there better be a good reason.

Other than that, schools #7-150 or so are completely interchangeable in the real world.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree that this applies to everyone. The assumption that wealth & eduction correlates with Middle class white culture is so off-putting. I'm asian and a child of immigrants- I've seen way too many successful lives destroyed by events that would never be life 'destroyers' for their white peers b/c of a lack of exposure to ideas/UMC ways of doing things and confidence. The difference that going to a top ten law school would make for my kid even though their parents are lawyers will be much much bigger than it is for your kids and there are plenty of immigrants, brown and black people and even first generation college grad white posters here and we know better than you how social mobility works b/c its something we have experienced for ourselves, not just read about in the Atlantic and VOX. I've seen first hand the difference in girls who go to George mason vs. even UVA/George Washington and what they've gone on to do with their lives. Exposure to a wider set of possibilities and the self concept that you are one of the ppl who should be applying to post docs at Magdalen college and MS at LSE and opening businesses with friends you met at NYU Beijing are vastly different than a fed contractor driving to target and their home in Burke with no USAID/FSO posting in sight day after miserable day. Many ppl on here have benefited from their superior merit and work ethic and want make sure that their kids move that one rung up to having even more choices and possibilities when their grandparents struggled and sacrificed. That is what ppl move here for, if I wanted to keep treading water, my father should've stayed home and not left his family and everyone he held dear.

+1
AMEN!!

Thank you. It is nerve wrecking to have discussions on this board because the majority lack basic knowledge about the experiences of immigrants especially brown and black people.

+1 have to agree. I'm a child of uneducated immigrants, and I went to a no name state u. I think if I had gone to a "better" school, it would've broadened my horizons, and I could've achieved a lot more.

that's not to say that I don't have a great life. I have a umc life, and I'm thankful for it. I eventually ended up at a FAANG. But, going to no name state u meant that I did not have that exposure and network to venture out more.

You don't have to go to a T10 to get that kind of exposure and experience, but where you go can and, often times, does impact the trajectory of your career.

Well, if you're working for a FAANG company, your state school adequately prepared you to get the door open to one of the largest tech companies in America. FAANG is the HPYSM of the NASDAQ. If you're stuck in middle management at that company, it's not because your lack of network didn't get you opportunity. You clearly have opportunity, you work for one of the richest, most advanced companies in the country. It's on you to take advantage of it.

My state univ didn't really prepare me to work for that FAANG company. Some of it was luck, right place right time, and some of it was just that my brain works a certain way and I'm very efficient and good at what I do.

It took me a lot longer to get to that FAANG than someone who went to MIT, for example. I was the oldest in my team by several years. If I had gone to MIT, for example, I would've ended up at FAANG a lot sooner. Instead, I took the longer, circuitous route because I went to a no name state u.

But, the point is that if you want to go far in your career, it's a lot easier to do that if you go to a T10 than a T100. It's not impossible, obviously, just a lot easier.

This.100%.

I used to work for a FAANG for several years (and I still work in the tech industry). However, it took me years of work experience to even get there and many of my colleagues were younger than me (many with degrees from elite schools)… so I can totally relate.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but it doesn’t matter. It matters to the the overbearing helicopter parent that wear their kid’s college brand like a designer handbag and that we will be directionless and aimless when DC leaves the nest. But for your kid, their employer will care that they went to school but not where. The exception, of course, is on both extremes. If they go to a top 5-7 school, great, they get bonus points (except for the many employers that specifically don’t want someone with those credentials because they tend to believe that they are entitled to an accelerated journey). On the other extreme, if they went to an online school or a super esoteric school, there better be a good reason.

Other than that, schools #7-150 or so are completely interchangeable in the real world.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree that this applies to everyone. The assumption that wealth & eduction correlates with Middle class white culture is so off-putting. I'm asian and a child of immigrants- I've seen way too many successful lives destroyed by events that would never be life 'destroyers' for their white peers b/c of a lack of exposure to ideas/UMC ways of doing things and confidence. The difference that going to a top ten law school would make for my kid even though their parents are lawyers will be much much bigger than it is for your kids and there are plenty of immigrants, brown and black people and even first generation college grad white posters here and we know better than you how social mobility works b/c its something we have experienced for ourselves, not just read about in the Atlantic and VOX. I've seen first hand the difference in girls who go to George mason vs. even UVA/George Washington and what they've gone on to do with their lives. Exposure to a wider set of possibilities and the self concept that you are one of the ppl who should be applying to post docs at Magdalen college and MS at LSE and opening businesses with friends you met at NYU Beijing are vastly different than a fed contractor driving to target and their home in Burke with no USAID/FSO posting in sight day after miserable day. Many ppl on here have benefited from their superior merit and work ethic and want make sure that their kids move that one rung up to having even more choices and possibilities when their grandparents struggled and sacrificed. That is what ppl move here for, if I wanted to keep treading water, my father should've stayed home and not left his family and everyone he held dear.

+1
AMEN!!

Thank you. It is nerve wrecking to have discussions on this board because the majority lack basic knowledge about the experiences of immigrants especially brown and black people.

+1 have to agree. I'm a child of uneducated immigrants, and I went to a no name state u. I think if I had gone to a "better" school, it would've broadened my horizons, and I could've achieved a lot more.

that's not to say that I don't have a great life. I have a umc life, and I'm thankful for it. I eventually ended up at a FAANG. But, going to no name state u meant that I did not have that exposure and network to venture out more.

You don't have to go to a T10 to get that kind of exposure and experience, but where you go can and, often times, does impact the trajectory of your career.

+1000

Anyone who's in denial about the fact that where you go to college matters is just delusional. There was that study showing that the top 1% is disproportionately dominated by elite colleges.

Going to an elite college matters, full stop

The 1% buy their way into those colleges. Jared Kushner, Donald Trump, George W. Bush, and a bazillion other failsons are Ivy league educated because their parents bought their way in.
There are some success stories like Bill Gates, but there are similiar stories for strong state universities like UVA or Illinois or UW or Michigan.

The average Ivy League degree is worth about $100,000 to $200,000 increase in LIFETIME earnings over the average lifetime earnings of any 4 year graduate. That's not that much money over a 40-50 year career.

There are some careers where Ivy League is super important - government, law (especially if you want a high profile judicial appointment), and media. But for the rest of the world, it just doesn't matter.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but it doesn’t matter. It matters to the the overbearing helicopter parent that wear their kid’s college brand like a designer handbag and that we will be directionless and aimless when DC leaves the nest. But for your kid, their employer will care that they went to school but not where. The exception, of course, is on both extremes. If they go to a top 5-7 school, great, they get bonus points (except for the many employers that specifically don’t want someone with those credentials because they tend to believe that they are entitled to an accelerated journey). On the other extreme, if they went to an online school or a super esoteric school, there better be a good reason.

Other than that, schools #7-150 or so are completely interchangeable in the real world.

I'm sorry but I just don't agree that this applies to everyone. The assumption that wealth & eduction correlates with Middle class white culture is so off-putting. I'm asian and a child of immigrants- I've seen way too many successful lives destroyed by events that would never be life 'destroyers' for their white peers b/c of a lack of exposure to ideas/UMC ways of doing things and confidence. The difference that going to a top ten law school would make for my kid even though their parents are lawyers will be much much bigger than it is for your kids and there are plenty of immigrants, brown and black people and even first generation college grad white posters here and we know better than you how social mobility works b/c its something we have experienced for ourselves, not just read about in the Atlantic and VOX. I've seen first hand the difference in girls who go to George mason vs. even UVA/George Washington and what they've gone on to do with their lives. Exposure to a wider set of possibilities and the self concept that you are one of the ppl who should be applying to post docs at Magdalen college and MS at LSE and opening businesses with friends you met at NYU Beijing are vastly different than a fed contractor driving to target and their home in Burke with no USAID/FSO posting in sight day after miserable day. Many ppl on here have benefited from their superior merit and work ethic and want make sure that their kids move that one rung up to having even more choices and possibilities when their grandparents struggled and sacrificed. That is what ppl move here for, if I wanted to keep treading water, my father should've stayed home and not left his family and everyone he held dear.

+1
AMEN!!

Thank you. It is nerve wrecking to have discussions on this board because the majority lack basic knowledge about the experiences of immigrants especially brown and black people.

+1 have to agree. I'm a child of uneducated immigrants, and I went to a no name state u. I think if I had gone to a "better" school, it would've broadened my horizons, and I could've achieved a lot more.

that's not to say that I don't have a great life. I have a umc life, and I'm thankful for it. I eventually ended up at a FAANG. But, going to no name state u meant that I did not have that exposure and network to venture out more.

You don't have to go to a T10 to get that kind of exposure and experience, but where you go can and, often times, does impact the trajectory of your career.

+1000

Anyone who's in denial about the fact that where you go to college matters is just delusional. There was that study showing that the top 1% is disproportionately dominated by elite colleges.

Going to an elite college matters, full stop

The 1% buy their way into those colleges. Jared Kushner, Donald Trump, George W. Bush, and a bazillion other failsons are Ivy league educated because their parents bought their way in.
There are some success stories like Bill Gates, but there are similiar stories for strong state universities like UVA or Illinois or UW or Michigan.

The average Ivy League degree is worth about $100,000 to $200,000 increase in LIFETIME earnings over the average lifetime earnings of any 4 year graduate. That's not that much money over a 40-50 year career.

There are some careers where Ivy League is super important - government, law (especially if you want a high profile judicial appointment), and media. But for the rest of the world, it just doesn't matter.

Not true! Important for finance and consulting as well.

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Anonymous wrote:What they mean is that it doesn’t matter TO THEM where YOUR kid goes.

This sums up the whole thread.

+1000