WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

+1 Exactly!!

Those kids weren't videoing to show it to the police. They were videoing to post it on social media so they could have a viral video and get lots of reactions. They should've been calling 911 instead. In the longer video you can see how gleeful the bystanders seem to be, like this was some sort of entertainment. Of course they're not the same as the criminals, but they should be held accountable, unless they've come forward and turned all of their evidence over to the police.

Yes, they absolutely should have called 911; but the police have been vilified in many homes, so ir's understandable why some kids wouldn't call. Also, if you think MCPS leaders at the very top have been quiet about this horrific behavior, just think of their silence and coverup without recorded evidence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

+1 Exactly!!

Those kids weren't videoing to show it to the police. They were videoing to post it on social media so they could have a viral video and get lots of reactions. They should've been calling 911 instead. In the longer video you can see how gleeful the bystanders seem to be, like this was some sort of entertainment. Of course they're not the same as the criminals, but they should be held accountable, unless they've come forward and turned all of their evidence over to the police.

I think Mooney's message is a warning to anyone who wants to expose problems in MCPS on social media. It is clearly intended to discourage the specific act of taking videos and posting them publicly.

If the problem is that they didn't call 911, everyone present who did not call 911 should also get in trouble. If the problem is the gleeful comments, that should have been made clear in the message. However, the message specifically calls out the act of taking the video and posting it, claiming that it "adds to the disruption" when we all know the real problem is they make MCPS look bad and force them to respond instead of pretending everything is rainbows and unicorns.

What kind of whackadoodle fascist statement is this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

+1 Exactly!!

Those kids weren't videoing to show it to the police. They were videoing to post it on social media so they could have a viral video and get lots of reactions. They should've been calling 911 instead. In the longer video you can see how gleeful the bystanders seem to be, like this was some sort of entertainment. Of course they're not the same as the criminals, but they should be held accountable, unless they've come forward and turned all of their evidence over to the police.

I think Mooney's message is a warning to anyone who wants to expose problems in MCPS on social media. It is clearly intended to discourage the specific act of taking videos and posting them publicly.

If the problem is that they didn't call 911, everyone present who did not call 911 should also get in trouble. If the problem is the gleeful comments, that should have been made clear in the message. However, the message specifically calls out the act of taking the video and posting it, claiming that it "adds to the disruption" when we all know the real problem is they make MCPS look bad and force them to respond instead of pretending everything is rainbows and unicorns.

+1. It is perfectly legal to video anything happening in public (off school grounds). These kids have all been taught to be “upstanders” and have seen how video of George Floyd, etc., has helped the real truth/justice come to light. That was uploaded to social media, too, btw. The schools tell them to speak up in instances of antisemitism, etc. This is the way to speak up in this day and age. And if the school is using any of those videos (which they say they are) and then punishing/disciplining the kids, it’s super hypocritical and concerning. It added nothing to the disruption. The kids engaging in violence were the sole individuals adding to any disruption. You punish the kids who recorded it, next time no one will record it, you’ll have no way to identify the violent individuals, and no justice for the kids who were attacked. Great thinking, MCPS.

Oh come on. Filming a fight then putting it on social media is not being an “upstander.” In some cases these attacks are planned specifically to create social media content.

[Anonymous]

It reminds of that girl who got suspended because some kid told her he was going to shoot up the school, so she told her friends and called her mom and went home

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

+1 Exactly!!

Those kids weren't videoing to show it to the police. They were videoing to post it on social media so they could have a viral video and get lots of reactions. They should've been calling 911 instead. In the longer video you can see how gleeful the bystanders seem to be, like this was some sort of entertainment. Of course they're not the same as the criminals, but they should be held accountable, unless they've come forward and turned all of their evidence over to the police.

I think Mooney's message is a warning to anyone who wants to expose problems in MCPS on social media. It is clearly intended to discourage the specific act of taking videos and posting them publicly.

If the problem is that they didn't call 911, everyone present who did not call 911 should also get in trouble. If the problem is the gleeful comments, that should have been made clear in the message. However, the message specifically calls out the act of taking the video and posting it, claiming that it "adds to the disruption" when we all know the real problem is they make MCPS look bad and force them to respond instead of pretending everything is rainbows and unicorns.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

+1 Exactly!!

Those kids weren't videoing to show it to the police. They were videoing to post it on social media so they could have a viral video and get lots of reactions. They should've been calling 911 instead. In the longer video you can see how gleeful the bystanders seem to be, like this was some sort of entertainment. Of course they're not the same as the criminals, but they should be held accountable, unless they've come forward and turned all of their evidence over to the police.

I think Mooney's message is a warning to anyone who wants to expose problems in MCPS on social media. It is clearly intended to discourage the specific act of taking videos and posting them publicly.

If the problem is that they didn't call 911, everyone present who did not call 911 should also get in trouble. If the problem is the gleeful comments, that should have been made clear in the message. However, the message specifically calls out the act of taking the video and posting it, claiming that it "adds to the disruption" when we all know the real problem is they make MCPS look bad and force them to respond instead of pretending everything is rainbows and unicorns.

+1. It is perfectly legal to video anything happening in public (off school grounds). These kids have all been taught to be “upstanders” and have seen how video of George Floyd, etc., has helped the real truth/justice come to light. That was uploaded to social media, too, btw. The schools tell them to speak up in instances of antisemitism, etc. This is the way to speak up in this day and age. And if the school is using any of those videos (which they say they are) and then punishing/disciplining the kids, it’s super hypocritical and concerning. It added nothing to the disruption. The kids engaging in violence were the sole individuals adding to any disruption. You punish the kids who recorded it, next time no one will record it, you’ll have no way to identify the violent individuals, and no justice for the kids who were attacked. Great thinking, MCPS.

Oh come on. Filming a fight then putting it on social media is not being an “upstander.” In some cases these attacks are planned specifically to create social media content.

Come back after you have read the Bill of Rights and thought about why it exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

+1 Exactly!!

Those kids weren't videoing to show it to the police. They were videoing to post it on social media so they could have a viral video and get lots of reactions. They should've been calling 911 instead. In the longer video you can see how gleeful the bystanders seem to be, like this was some sort of entertainment. Of course they're not the same as the criminals, but they should be held accountable, unless they've come forward and turned all of their evidence over to the police.

I think Mooney's message is a warning to anyone who wants to expose problems in MCPS on social media. It is clearly intended to discourage the specific act of taking videos and posting them publicly.

If the problem is that they didn't call 911, everyone present who did not call 911 should also get in trouble. If the problem is the gleeful comments, that should have been made clear in the message. However, the message specifically calls out the act of taking the video and posting it, claiming that it "adds to the disruption" when we all know the real problem is they make MCPS look bad and force them to respond instead of pretending everything is rainbows and unicorns.

What kind of whackadoodle fascist statement is this?

you might want to look up accomplice liability in MD. Just failing to call 911 probably isn’t enough. But failing to call 911, cheering on the attack, then running away when police come looks awfully like accomplice behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

+1 Exactly!!

Those kids weren't videoing to show it to the police. They were videoing to post it on social media so they could have a viral video and get lots of reactions. They should've been calling 911 instead. In the longer video you can see how gleeful the bystanders seem to be, like this was some sort of entertainment. Of course they're not the same as the criminals, but they should be held accountable, unless they've come forward and turned all of their evidence over to the police.

I think Mooney's message is a warning to anyone who wants to expose problems in MCPS on social media. It is clearly intended to discourage the specific act of taking videos and posting them publicly.

If the problem is that they didn't call 911, everyone present who did not call 911 should also get in trouble. If the problem is the gleeful comments, that should have been made clear in the message. However, the message specifically calls out the act of taking the video and posting it, claiming that it "adds to the disruption" when we all know the real problem is they make MCPS look bad and force them to respond instead of pretending everything is rainbows and unicorns.

+1. It is perfectly legal to video anything happening in public (off school grounds). These kids have all been taught to be “upstanders” and have seen how video of George Floyd, etc., has helped the real truth/justice come to light. That was uploaded to social media, too, btw. The schools tell them to speak up in instances of antisemitism, etc. This is the way to speak up in this day and age. And if the school is using any of those videos (which they say they are) and then punishing/disciplining the kids, it’s super hypocritical and concerning. It added nothing to the disruption. The kids engaging in violence were the sole individuals adding to any disruption. You punish the kids who recorded it, next time no one will record it, you’ll have no way to identify the violent individuals, and no justice for the kids who were attacked. Great thinking, MCPS.

Oh come on. Filming a fight then putting it on social media is not being an “upstander.” In some cases these attacks are planned specifically to create social media content.

Come back after you have read the Bill of Rights and thought about why it exists.

If they took part in planning the attack to put it on social media, that’s a crime. If they cheered on the attack while filming it for the purposes of putting it on social media, also possibly a crime. And of course this conduct can absolutely result in school discipline.

[Anonymous]

I talked with my WJ kid — who was not there— about the fact none of the kids called the cops. His feeling was that no one would want to be seen as the one calling the cops. We discussed that you can text 911 with something like need help, address—send police now. And then send a video if possible to do so safely. My teens were really happy with that information as they thought they could do any of that discretely. Please talk to your kids about this.

But it’s also important o recognize that peole in a traumatic situation often don’t think rationally. When I did first aid training they taught us to yell Call 911 and identify a specific person to do so because if you tell call an ambulance, a shocking number of people blank on what the number is, and also if you just yell it into the crowd, everyone will assume someone else called. And that’s with adults!

[Anonymous]

a kid who was expelled once already and back in school who lives in suitland, md and a female who is already required to wear an ankle monitoring system on her ankle. both were in class yesterday.

mcps thought process- it didn't happen on school property, unless they are charged-and convicted, they are welcome in our schools.

if this was before the strongarm law changed the kid who stole the shoes after beating him up would be facing 15-20 years, now just facing a misdemeanor theft of under $1000 that comes with a small fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

+1 Exactly!!

Those kids weren't videoing to show it to the police. They were videoing to post it on social media so they could have a viral video and get lots of reactions. They should've been calling 911 instead. In the longer video you can see how gleeful the bystanders seem to be, like this was some sort of entertainment. Of course they're not the same as the criminals, but they should be held accountable, unless they've come forward and turned all of their evidence over to the police.

I think Mooney's message is a warning to anyone who wants to expose problems in MCPS on social media. It is clearly intended to discourage the specific act of taking videos and posting them publicly.

If the problem is that they didn't call 911, everyone present who did not call 911 should also get in trouble. If the problem is the gleeful comments, that should have been made clear in the message. However, the message specifically calls out the act of taking the video and posting it, claiming that it "adds to the disruption" when we all know the real problem is they make MCPS look bad and force them to respond instead of pretending everything is rainbows and unicorns.

What kind of whackadoodle fascist statement is this?

I'm just reflecting what the PP above say. They say the problem is that the people taking the video didn't call 911. Well, a lot of people didn't call 911. If THAT'S the problem, then anyone who didn't call 911 should get in trouble. But that's NOT the problem identified in Mooney's message. The only problem identified in Mooney's message is the act of taking the video and posting it on social media. If there are other things the video takers did that warrant punishment, that should be stated in the message. But simply taking a video and posting it is not something that should lead to punishment (I guess, in a fascist state it probably would).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I talked with my WJ kid — who was not there— about the fact none of the kids called the cops. His feeling was that no one would want to be seen as the one calling the cops. We discussed that you can text 911 with something like need help, address—send police now. And then send a video if possible to do so safely. My teens were really happy with that information as they thought they could do any of that discretely. Please talk to your kids about this.

But it’s also important o recognize that peole in a traumatic situation often don’t think rationally. When I did first aid training they taught us to yell Call 911 and identify a specific person to do so because if you tell call an ambulance, a shocking number of people blank on what the number is, and also if you just yell it into the crowd, everyone will assume someone else called. And that’s with adults!

This is a good reminder to talk to our teens about texting 911. And +1 to the first aid training. You have to tell one specific person to call 911.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

+1 Exactly!!

Those kids weren't videoing to show it to the police. They were videoing to post it on social media so they could have a viral video and get lots of reactions. They should've been calling 911 instead. In the longer video you can see how gleeful the bystanders seem to be, like this was some sort of entertainment. Of course they're not the same as the criminals, but they should be held accountable, unless they've come forward and turned all of their evidence over to the police.

I think Mooney's message is a warning to anyone who wants to expose problems in MCPS on social media. It is clearly intended to discourage the specific act of taking videos and posting them publicly.

If the problem is that they didn't call 911, everyone present who did not call 911 should also get in trouble. If the problem is the gleeful comments, that should have been made clear in the message. However, the message specifically calls out the act of taking the video and posting it, claiming that it "adds to the disruption" when we all know the real problem is they make MCPS look bad and force them to respond instead of pretending everything is rainbows and unicorns.

+1. It is perfectly legal to video anything happening in public (off school grounds). These kids have all been taught to be “upstanders” and have seen how video of George Floyd, etc., has helped the real truth/justice come to light. That was uploaded to social media, too, btw. The schools tell them to speak up in instances of antisemitism, etc. This is the way to speak up in this day and age. And if the school is using any of those videos (which they say they are) and then punishing/disciplining the kids, it’s super hypocritical and concerning. It added nothing to the disruption. The kids engaging in violence were the sole individuals adding to any disruption. You punish the kids who recorded it, next time no one will record it, you’ll have no way to identify the violent individuals, and no justice for the kids who were attacked. Great thinking, MCPS.

Oh come on. Filming a fight then putting it on social media is not being an “upstander.” In some cases these attacks are planned specifically to create social media content.

Yet they can be both "voyeuristic" and "the only real evidence" because the story told by some WJ parent who is probably quick to lawyer up is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talked with my WJ kid — who was not there— about the fact none of the kids called the cops. His feeling was that no one would want to be seen as the one calling the cops. We discussed that you can text 911 with something like need help, address—send police now. And then send a video if possible to do so safely. My teens were really happy with that information as they thought they could do any of that discretely. Please talk to your kids about this.

But it’s also important o recognize that peole in a traumatic situation often don’t think rationally. When I did first aid training they taught us to yell Call 911 and identify a specific person to do so because if you tell call an ambulance, a shocking number of people blank on what the number is, and also if you just yell it into the crowd, everyone will assume someone else called. And that’s with adults!

This is a good reminder to talk to our teens about texting 911. And +1 to the first aid training. You have to tell one specific person to call 911.

Yes when kids are "assaulted" they do call 911 but when they know its just a fight between teenagers they don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:a kid who was expelled once already and back in school who lives in suitland, md and a female who is already required to wear an ankle monitoring system on her ankle. both were in class yesterday.

mcps thought process- it didn't happen on school property, unless they are charged-and convicted, they are welcome in our schools.

if this was before the strongarm law changed the kid who stole the shoes after beating him up would be facing 15-20 years, now just facing a misdemeanor theft of under $1000 that comes with a small fine.

Those laws were put in place to protect Biff who is headed to Harvard but thought it would be fun to steal a street sign and get in a fight at Caddies... so as not to "ruin his life" over 1 night of poor decisions.

I'm all for Biff going to jail personally. I'd also like all the parents who cheat on their taxes and declare bankruptcy in jail but alas they are at Congressional playing golf.