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07/22/2023 17:14

Subject: Post SCOTUS Ruling: Let the Essays Begin

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Anonymous wrote:Every school with pretextual processes is going to get sued. The right wing is ramping up to build the infrastructure to take them to the mat.

So? They’re all going to get sued no matter what they do.

They are going to get their hands tied tighter and tighter.

I’m disgusted by open confessions of trying to avoid following the law as it has been laid out and I think they’re going to regret the choices they made in the “f*ck around” stage of this conflict when they get to the “find out” stage.

There is literally no factor an admissions office can consider that does not have a disparate impact on one group or another.

Every single person rejected from any college can sue.

It does not matter what the college uses to make the decision.

Pure SAT? Disparate impact against whites.

Pure GPA? Disparate impact against Asians.

Athletics, legacy, donations? Disparate impact against non-whites.

Ability to pay? Disparate impact against blacks and Hispanics.

Use any factor except pure 100% lottery and you will be sued.

Most of those who sue are whiners and wouldn't have gotten accepted anyways. It's very easy to scapegoat and find blame.

Harvard’s admissions process boiled down to “Asians have unlikeable personalities.” It’s the most racist thing I’ve ever seen an institution do in my lifetime.

It’s not scapegoating at all. If any institution had a process like that that downgraded black applicants across the board for personality we would all flip out. Because it’s just shockingly unthinkably racist.

That is bogus. A gross exaggeration at best. How can they have such a high percentage of Asian students if they think Asians are "unlikeable?" Could it be that some parents push their kids so hard that they are so full of technical accomplishments, they have not developed as well in other ways? And, that culture (not race) may possibly play some role in this?

Where have you been? That was one of the foundational findings during the discovery process. And just because there are 'enough' Asians at Harvard, does not mean that Harvard didn't discriminate against them. That's like saying, I have one Black kid in college, what are they complaining about. And no, I don't give a rat's ass about there being more Asian kids as a % of the student population relative to the general population. That SHOULD NOT matter. There's no law that says it should.

Tge whole scotus decision is bogus. Most in education lamented this decision. But, sure, some AOs may have been biased with the likeability aspect. That doesn't mean the institution is anti-Asian, especially against a group already well over represented at that institution. The URMs that get accused of "taking" spots are under represented at these institutions. That whole notion of taking spots and the supposition of "less qualified" just smack of bitter Bettyism. But the right wing lobbyists capitalized on that bitterness and entitlement with this case. This "win" "against" racism just further entrenches racism.

Well yes an industry that was just bench slapped by SCOTUS for racist practices will holler.

Under and overrepresentation doesn’t necessarily matter. No one thinks the NBA is overrepresented by black men because they’re racist against Asians.

The problem is that schools wanted to balance race and had to adjust the admissions criteria to make sure to tamp down the number of Asians. Kind of like if the NBA told teams to make sure underrepresented races had more spots on the teams.

I chuckle every time I see this NBA talking point trotted out again (and again and again and again). The posters who think this is a great analogy can’t seem to understand why it simply isn’t and that it doesn’t make the point they think it makes.

But it does make for a good laugh each time it shows up.

Can you help those of us who aren't as smart as you to understand why this isn't a good analogy? It seems pretty on point and analogous to me.

The explanation for why the NBA comparison talking point is a bad analogy has been explained on this site over and over again. The posters who are using it are hoping people who read it for the first time don’t take the time to analyze exactly why it is not at all on point.

Someone posted an excellent explanation of why the NBA is not a useful analogy to educational institutions on this site very recently. I’ll look for it and post a link later.

I think it’s a good example. Are we supposed to examine why athletic ability and academic ability are not analogous?

The people you are arguing against believe that there is no such thing as “academic ability.” Worse academic performance by POC students is always and everywhere due to racist institutions or practices. Crazy, I know, but that is what they really think.

And here is where you can see the true beliefs of the anti affirmative action people on display.

So you think there’s no such thing as academic ability?

What was that whooshing sound I just heard?

It was the point sailing clean over your head.

Those beliefs of yours keep on keeping you from understanding why those talking points just don’t do the job.

I’m not the PP, but I agree with them that academic ability exists.

More importantly, I’m very done with “atmospheric diversity,” where we give rich black immigrants the boost that we claim is to right the wrongs done to ADOS people. Because the point isn’t really to help black people, ADOS or otherwise. It’s to create a vibe acceptable to white people.

And they don’t like an overly Asian vibe. Not one bit.

You need to read all the previous posts. The point had nothing to do with whether or not academic ability exists, it was about the fact that it is not at all useful to compare two organizations that have nothing in common (the NBA and educational institutions).

A lot of the people who think the NBA/educational institutions analogy makes some light bulb moment type point are people who think of themselves as superior to others.