APS looking to make sex Ed coed

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Anonymous wrote:These aren't "secret" topics that shouldn't be discussed openly.

A lot of good points here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2018/10/19/why-we-shouldnt-be-separating-boys-girls-sex-ed/

"“When we divide young people by gender, the implication there is that we’re somehow giving them different messages,” says Nicole Cushman, the executive director of Answer, a sex education program at Rutgers University. “We kind of reinforce this cultural taboo about the subject, and we reinforce the idea that sex is not something to be discussed in ‘mixed company.’

“There’s definitely consensus in the field that it is a best practice, or that it is preferable, to speak to all genders at the same time.”"

"In the world-famous Dutch model of K-12 comprehensive sexuality education, which teaches egalitarian social norms at every age in one of the most gender-equal societies on the globe, in rare cases of religious objections, girls and boys may be separated for portions of their lessons."

"By teaching students of all genders alongside one another about healthy sexuality and relationships, including consent, we hand them a set of social expectations to hold in common. The more students are aware of what their peers have been taught about how to treat others, the more they can hold one another accountable."

"Clarifying and normalizing the changes of puberty can give girls empathy for a wayward erection and empower boys to compassionately offer a sweatshirt to tie over a period stain."

And I can write an article with an expert opinion that says the exact opposite lol. There’s no actual research to back the above claims up. Also the Netherlands is very different than the US when it comes to the make up and size of their population.

Go ahead and write that article, or a book to base it on, and we can all read it and form opinions.

Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

I don’t care to. My point was that the article that PP posted says nothing. All it is is some so called expert theorizing based on no evidence whatsoever. It’s funny how things change. Before, the liberal and progressive position was to create safe spaces for women. Now it seems to have shifted. Liberals & progressives want everything to be coed and conservatives want everything segregated.

How is it dangerous for girls and boys to learn about science side by side?

If sex ed is separated by gender, where does a kid go who is non binary?

No one has answered this question. This seems like a very good reason to make it co-ed.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok? It’s 2023. Glad to see VA is finally catching up with the rest of the world.

Really? You honestly think that little girls should have to learn for the first time about periods with their male classmates? Shouldn’t we allow them the modesty to be able to ask questions privately without their boy classmates there?

It’s the human body.

Modesty is absurd. Boys should absolutely know a girls body and girls should know boys.

You are ridiculous.

This exactly. My son was amazed at everything the girls have to deal with and had a lot of questions at home about periods, why no one has "solved" this problem... In no way does he see a period as something shameful. Instead, he came away wanting to learn more about the medical side of things. Boys absolutely should know more. Same for girls, but I do think that girls generally usually have the burden of having to know more, and I'm happy that my son now has to share some burden too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok? It’s 2023. Glad to see VA is finally catching up with the rest of the world.

Really? You honestly think that little girls should have to learn for the first time about periods with their male classmates? Shouldn’t we allow them the modesty to be able to ask questions privately without their boy classmates there?

It’s the human body.

Modesty is absurd. Boys should absolutely know a girls body and girls should know boys.

You are ridiculous.

This exactly. My son was amazed at everything the girls have to deal with and had a lot of questions at home about periods, why no one has "solved" this problem... In no way does he see a period as something shameful. Instead, he came away wanting to learn more about the medical side of things. Boys absolutely should know more. Same for girls, but I do think that girls generally usually have the burden of having to know more, and I'm happy that my son now has to share some burden too.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok? It’s 2023. Glad to see VA is finally catching up with the rest of the world.

Really? You honestly think that little girls should have to learn for the first time about periods with their male classmates? Shouldn’t we allow them the modesty to be able to ask questions privately without their boy classmates there?

It’s the human body.

Modesty is absurd. Boys should absolutely know a girls body and girls should know boys.

You are ridiculous.

This exactly. My son was amazed at everything the girls have to deal with and had a lot of questions at home about periods, why no one has "solved" this problem... In no way does he see a period as something shameful. Instead, he came away wanting to learn more about the medical side of things. Boys absolutely should know more. Same for girls, but I do think that girls generally usually have the burden of having to know more, and I'm happy that my son now has to share some burden too.

OK. But the boys can learn it with or without girls in the class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok? It’s 2023. Glad to see VA is finally catching up with the rest of the world.

Really? You honestly think that little girls should have to learn for the first time about periods with their male classmates? Shouldn’t we allow them the modesty to be able to ask questions privately without their boy classmates there?

It’s the human body.

Modesty is absurd. Boys should absolutely know a girls body and girls should know boys.

You are ridiculous.

This exactly. My son was amazed at everything the girls have to deal with and had a lot of questions at home about periods, why no one has "solved" this problem... In no way does he see a period as something shameful. Instead, he came away wanting to learn more about the medical side of things. Boys absolutely should know more. Same for girls, but I do think that girls generally usually have the burden of having to know more, and I'm happy that my son now has to share some burden too.

OK. But the boys can learn it with or without girls in the class.

But why? What's the magic of segregating the kids by sex? And don't tell me that there's not something helpful to the boys actually having to sit there with the girls and learn that the girls have pretty significant life changing shit coming up that isn't hypothetical about girls across the hallway but about actual humans they know and are sitting next to in class? I feel like this is another version of "if you can't talk about sex, you shouldn't have it." If you can't sit next to people who aren't exactly like you, then maybe school isn't for you and you should be homeschooled?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok? It’s 2023. Glad to see VA is finally catching up with the rest of the world.

Really? You honestly think that little girls should have to learn for the first time about periods with their male classmates? Shouldn’t we allow them the modesty to be able to ask questions privately without their boy classmates there?

It’s the human body.

Modesty is absurd. Boys should absolutely know a girls body and girls should know boys.

You are ridiculous.

This exactly. My son was amazed at everything the girls have to deal with and had a lot of questions at home about periods, why no one has "solved" this problem... In no way does he see a period as something shameful. Instead, he came away wanting to learn more about the medical side of things. Boys absolutely should know more. Same for girls, but I do think that girls generally usually have the burden of having to know more, and I'm happy that my son now has to share some burden too.

OK. But the boys can learn it with or without girls in the class.

But why? What's the magic of segregating the kids by sex? And don't tell me that there's not something helpful to the boys actually having to sit there with the girls and learn that the girls have pretty significant life changing shit coming up that isn't hypothetical about girls across the hallway but about actual humans they know and are sitting next to in class? I feel like this is another version of "if you can't talk about sex, you shouldn't have it." If you can't sit next to people who aren't exactly like you, then maybe school isn't for you and you should be homeschooled?

Reread the thread. Literally no one is saying this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok? It’s 2023. Glad to see VA is finally catching up with the rest of the world.

Really? You honestly think that little girls should have to learn for the first time about periods with their male classmates? Shouldn’t we allow them the modesty to be able to ask questions privately without their boy classmates there?

It’s the human body.

Modesty is absurd. Boys should absolutely know a girls body and girls should know boys.

You are ridiculous.

This exactly. My son was amazed at everything the girls have to deal with and had a lot of questions at home about periods, why no one has "solved" this problem... In no way does he see a period as something shameful. Instead, he came away wanting to learn more about the medical side of things. Boys absolutely should know more. Same for girls, but I do think that girls generally usually have the burden of having to know more, and I'm happy that my son now has to share some burden too.

Happy that your son is amazed. What does this have to do with other girls being more comfortable discussing puberty in front of the classmates going through the same thing? It’s great that your son is curious and sympathetic. But that has nothing to do with why classes should be kept segregated. Literally no one is arguing that boys shouldn’t learn about what girls are going through and visa versa.

[Anonymous]

My sixth grade FCPS sex ed class was coed in 1982. We did have one day where we separated into boy and girl classes, after which, during recess, the boys regaled the girls with a line by line reenactment of them peppering the the male teacher with questions about wet dreams and how sex "felt" and his awkward answers.

Also we repeated everything we had learned in great (and probably inaccurate) detail to the 2 religious kids who had been opted out by their parents.

My parents didn't even ask me about the class -- I remember my dad raising an eyebrow when I shoved the permission slip in front of him, sighing, signing it, and saying "well I hope you learn something in that class" and that was that.

It feels like parents in 2023 are way more worked up about this stuff than they were in 1982.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My sixth grade FCPS sex ed class was coed in 1982. We did have one day where we separated into boy and girl classes, after which, during recess, the boys regaled the girls with a line by line reenactment of them peppering the the male teacher with questions about wet dreams and how sex "felt" and his awkward answers.

Also we repeated everything we had learned in great (and probably inaccurate) detail to the 2 religious kids who had been opted out by their parents.

My parents didn't even ask me about the class -- I remember my dad raising an eyebrow when I shoved the permission slip in front of him, sighing, signing it, and saying "well I hope you learn something in that class" and that was that.

It feels like parents in 2023 are way more worked up about this stuff than they were in 1982.

Gee I wonder why they are worked up. They weren’t worked up five years ago either. What has changed I wonder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok? It’s 2023. Glad to see VA is finally catching up with the rest of the world.

Really? You honestly think that little girls should have to learn for the first time about periods with their male classmates? Shouldn’t we allow them the modesty to be able to ask questions privately without their boy classmates there?

It’s the human body.

Modesty is absurd. Boys should absolutely know a girls body and girls should know boys.

You are ridiculous.

This exactly. My son was amazed at everything the girls have to deal with and had a lot of questions at home about periods, why no one has "solved" this problem... In no way does he see a period as something shameful. Instead, he came away wanting to learn more about the medical side of things. Boys absolutely should know more. Same for girls, but I do think that girls generally usually have the burden of having to know more, and I'm happy that my son now has to share some burden too.

Happy that your son is amazed. What does this have to do with other girls being more comfortable discussing puberty in front of the classmates going through the same thing? It’s great that your son is curious and sympathetic. But that has nothing to do with why classes should be kept segregated. Literally no one is arguing that boys shouldn’t learn about what girls are going through and visa versa.

But then what are arguing? That girls should feel shame and only ask questions about puberty amongst themselves? Why are these girls more comfortable discussing puberty in front of classmates going through the same thing? How do you know all girls are in fact going through the same thing? Puberty is not some sort of magical, mystical, shameful exercise that needs to be whispered about. Grow up. Also, I'm not stupid, this is as my child would say, "just capping bruh" for anti-trans and TERF bs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok? It’s 2023. Glad to see VA is finally catching up with the rest of the world.

Really? You honestly think that little girls should have to learn for the first time about periods with their male classmates? Shouldn’t we allow them the modesty to be able to ask questions privately without their boy classmates there?

It’s the human body.

Modesty is absurd. Boys should absolutely know a girls body and girls should know boys.

You are ridiculous.

This exactly. My son was amazed at everything the girls have to deal with and had a lot of questions at home about periods, why no one has "solved" this problem... In no way does he see a period as something shameful. Instead, he came away wanting to learn more about the medical side of things. Boys absolutely should know more. Same for girls, but I do think that girls generally usually have the burden of having to know more, and I'm happy that my son now has to share some burden too.

Happy that your son is amazed. What does this have to do with other girls being more comfortable discussing puberty in front of the classmates going through the same thing? It’s great that your son is curious and sympathetic. But that has nothing to do with why classes should be kept segregated. Literally no one is arguing that boys shouldn’t learn about what girls are going through and visa versa.

But then what are arguing? That girls should feel shame and only ask questions about puberty amongst themselves? Why are these girls more comfortable discussing puberty in front of classmates going through the same thing? How do you know all girls are in fact going through the same thing? Puberty is not some sort of magical, mystical, shameful exercise that needs to be whispered about. Grow up. Also, I'm not stupid, this is as my child would say, "just capping bruh" for anti-trans and TERF bs.

There is no more room for nuance and discussion. We either agree with you or are TERFs or MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Stop saying "TERF".

TERF is Trans Excluding Radical Feminist.

99% of the people you call TERF aren't Radical Feminists.

If want a cool sounding slur for "transphobic" or "transgender-denying", grow up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My sixth grade FCPS sex ed class was coed in 1982. We did have one day where we separated into boy and girl classes, after which, during recess, the boys regaled the girls with a line by line reenactment of them peppering the the male teacher with questions about wet dreams and how sex "felt" and his awkward answers.

Also we repeated everything we had learned in great (and probably inaccurate) detail to the 2 religious kids who had been opted out by their parents.

My parents didn't even ask me about the class -- I remember my dad raising an eyebrow when I shoved the permission slip in front of him, sighing, signing it, and saying "well I hope you learn something in that class" and that was that.

It feels like parents in 2023 are way more worked up about this stuff than they were in 1982.

Gee I wonder why they are worked up. They weren’t worked up five years ago either. What has changed I wonder.

The conservative right is pushing us backwards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok? It’s 2023. Glad to see VA is finally catching up with the rest of the world.

Really? You honestly think that little girls should have to learn for the first time about periods with their male classmates? Shouldn’t we allow them the modesty to be able to ask questions privately without their boy classmates there?

It’s the human body.

Modesty is absurd. Boys should absolutely know a girls body and girls should know boys.

You are ridiculous.

This exactly. My son was amazed at everything the girls have to deal with and had a lot of questions at home about periods, why no one has "solved" this problem... In no way does he see a period as something shameful. Instead, he came away wanting to learn more about the medical side of things. Boys absolutely should know more. Same for girls, but I do think that girls generally usually have the burden of having to know more, and I'm happy that my son now has to share some burden too.

Happy that your son is amazed. What does this have to do with other girls being more comfortable discussing puberty in front of the classmates going through the same thing? It’s great that your son is curious and sympathetic. But that has nothing to do with why classes should be kept segregated. Literally no one is arguing that boys shouldn’t learn about what girls are going through and visa versa.

But then what are arguing? That girls should feel shame and only ask questions about puberty amongst themselves? Why are these girls more comfortable discussing puberty in front of classmates going through the same thing? How do you know all girls are in fact going through the same thing? Puberty is not some sort of magical, mystical, shameful exercise that needs to be whispered about. Grow up. Also, I'm not stupid, this is as my child would say, "just capping bruh" for anti-trans and TERF bs.

There is no more room for nuance and discussion. We either agree with you or are TERFs or MAGA.

We can put you under the larger umbrella of "social regressive".

[Anonymous]

It was no big deal to have coed sex ed back in the 80s. Now, it's some big conspiracy.

It's clear what has changed.