Parking no longer free on Saturdays in MoCo lots starting 7/8/23

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This is exactly the case. These activists want to urbanize every part of Montgomery County. It's crazy, because if you want to live in an urban environment, you have plenty of options in DC and in some parts of MoCo. But, that is not enough.

We CHOSE to live in the suburbs. Quit trying to impose your urban lifestyle on people who don't want it.

Yes, and your neighbors CHOSE to elect elected officials who are trying to change Montgomery County so that people aren't forced to drive everywhere for everything. Quit trying to impose your opinions on your neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:The council is so good at figuring out new ways to take our money! This is on top of recently raising property tax rates and the recordation tax, of course.

"On or about July 8, 2023, Saturday payment will be required in garages and lots. Rates and hours requiring payment will be the same as the rest of the week."

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DOT-Parking/FAQ/using-meters.html

Poor drivers. Won't someone think of the drivers?

Poor county council, nonprofits, snd community activists. Whatever will they do without more taxpayer money!!!? We gotta make sure they can eat!

Eh. "Free" parking subsidizes drivers and driving. End driver/driving subsidies.

End lunch subsidies, housing subsidies, electric power tool and car subsidies, solar panel subsidies, etc. etc.

End it all!

That's an unnuanced view of public policy. In the nuanced view, we subsidize behaviors/actions we want to encourage, and remove subsidies from behaviors/actions we don't want to encourage. We want to encourage kids having lunches, people having housing, and clean(er), local energy sources. We don't want to, and don't need to, encourage driving.

Which is why we make parking easier, so that local businesses thrive.

But this is moco, where the county does everything in its power to kill jobs, kill businesses, and stifle economic growth. No surprise.

No, when we make parking easier, we get a lot of roads, traffic congestion, parking lots, and car crashes, none of which contribute to economic vitality or help most local businesses. It's true that car crashes are good for car-repair, tow truck, and car-sales businesses, though.

Fix the problem then. What solution you got so a grocery store run doesn't take 4 hours and you can move millions of people all over the county.

Let me guess,.you have the typical list of really stupid ideas the bike idiots always try to propose.

I'm working on it. What are you doing?

Why should I have to do anything? I pay taxes.

Until there is a solution, I will drive. And you can eat my exhaust.

What a charmer you are.

I live in the suburbs because I chose to live in the suburbs. I WANT to drive everywhere and not have to take 10 hours on weekend to so basic chores because I have to take public train.

That’s what you clowns don’t get. You try to make the suburbs NYC, as if we have the same kind of density that can make public transportation economically viable.

We live in the burbs. Now accept the fact that it requires driving and stop having grand delusions that you can bike, bus, and take trains everywhere. You can’t. No one wants to spend entire days just trying to do two things like going to get milk and sugar and then having to spend 4 more hours to get to Target to pickup cleaning supplies.

Suburbanites drive. Get over it.

So do. Nobody is stopping you.

And pay for it.

We already do pay for it, numbnuts. Gas tax, car sales tax, registration fees, emissions fees, etc. etc. You know who pay yet enjoys all of the benefits? Cyclists. We should require licenses to own and operate bicycles if they want to use the roads and demand we cater to building so much infrastructure for them. Tax cyclists who currently get free rides.

I both cycle and own a car so I pay for all of those things even if I happen to be cycling.

Also, you know you know this but gas and other car taxes do not come close to covering the cost of maintaining roads. Those costs absolutely come out of general taxation coffers.

And cars allow people to get to work in order to generate incomes so govts can tax. Duh.

Let's see how economically viable killing peoples' ability to drive works when you demand people bike 20 miles each way to work. The county would implode.

It's suburbia. People drive. Deal with it.

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Anonymous wrote:The council is so good at figuring out new ways to take our money! This is on top of recently raising property tax rates and the recordation tax, of course.

"On or about July 8, 2023, Saturday payment will be required in garages and lots. Rates and hours requiring payment will be the same as the rest of the week."

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DOT-Parking/FAQ/using-meters.html

Poor drivers. Won't someone think of the drivers?

Poor county council, nonprofits, snd community activists. Whatever will they do without more taxpayer money!!!? We gotta make sure they can eat!

Eh. "Free" parking subsidizes drivers and driving. End driver/driving subsidies.

End lunch subsidies, housing subsidies, electric power tool and car subsidies, solar panel subsidies, etc. etc.

End it all!

That's an unnuanced view of public policy. In the nuanced view, we subsidize behaviors/actions we want to encourage, and remove subsidies from behaviors/actions we don't want to encourage. We want to encourage kids having lunches, people having housing, and clean(er), local energy sources. We don't want to, and don't need to, encourage driving.

Which is why we make parking easier, so that local businesses thrive.

But this is moco, where the county does everything in its power to kill jobs, kill businesses, and stifle economic growth. No surprise.

No, when we make parking easier, we get a lot of roads, traffic congestion, parking lots, and car crashes, none of which contribute to economic vitality or help most local businesses. It's true that car crashes are good for car-repair, tow truck, and car-sales businesses, though.

Fix the problem then. What solution you got so a grocery store run doesn't take 4 hours and you can move millions of people all over the county.

Let me guess,.you have the typical list of really stupid ideas the bike idiots always try to propose.

I'm working on it. What are you doing?

Why should I have to do anything? I pay taxes.

Until there is a solution, I will drive. And you can eat my exhaust.

What a charmer you are.

I live in the suburbs because I chose to live in the suburbs. I WANT to drive everywhere and not have to take 10 hours on weekend to so basic chores because I have to take public train.

That’s what you clowns don’t get. You try to make the suburbs NYC, as if we have the same kind of density that can make public transportation economically viable.

We live in the burbs. Now accept the fact that it requires driving and stop having grand delusions that you can bike, bus, and take trains everywhere. You can’t. No one wants to spend entire days just trying to do two things like going to get milk and sugar and then having to spend 4 more hours to get to Target to pickup cleaning supplies.

Suburbanites drive. Get over it.

So do. Nobody is stopping you.

And pay for it.

We already do pay for it, numbnuts. Gas tax, car sales tax, registration fees, emissions fees, etc. etc. You know who pay yet enjoys all of the benefits? Cyclists. We should require licenses to own and operate bicycles if they want to use the roads and demand we cater to building so much infrastructure for them. Tax cyclists who currently get free rides.

I both cycle and own a car so I pay for all of those things even if I happen to be cycling.

Also, you know you know this but gas and other car taxes do not come close to covering the cost of maintaining roads. Those costs absolutely come out of general taxation coffers.

And cars allow people to get to work in order to generate incomes so govts can tax. Duh.

Let's see how economically viable killing peoples' ability to drive works when you demand people bike 20 miles each way to work. The county would implode.

It's suburbia. People drive. Deal with it.

The more you keep repeating, the more I think things actually might be changing, because otherwise you wouldn't feel like your car-ascendancy beliefs were threatened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:


This is exactly the case. These activists want to urbanize every part of Montgomery County. It's crazy, because if you want to live in an urban environment, you have plenty of options in DC and in some parts of MoCo. But, that is not enough.

We CHOSE to live in the suburbs. Quit trying to impose your urban lifestyle on people who don't want it.

Yes, and your neighbors CHOSE to elect elected officials who are trying to change Montgomery County so that people aren't forced to drive everywhere for everything. Quit trying to impose your opinions on your neighbors.

And that's why MoCo is in steep decline and is excellent at killing jobs and businesses. It'll be funny when MoCo urbanizes everything and ends up building a bunch of mini ghost cities like China because everyone moves for jobs that all left MoCo.

They want to turn the county into Tokyo/Hong Kong when people move specifically to the burbs to escape horrific concrete jungles with no space. MoCo urbanists won't be happy until we look and live like people in Hong Kong and have Soviet style housing. But at least you can take the bus to the grocery store!

Utopia vision for Moco is when we finally live densely like people in Hong Kong because it is so good for the environment!



Beautiful future vision for MoCo:

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Anonymous wrote:The council is so good at figuring out new ways to take our money! This is on top of recently raising property tax rates and the recordation tax, of course.

"On or about July 8, 2023, Saturday payment will be required in garages and lots. Rates and hours requiring payment will be the same as the rest of the week."

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DOT-Parking/FAQ/using-meters.html

Poor drivers. Won't someone think of the drivers?

Poor county council, nonprofits, snd community activists. Whatever will they do without more taxpayer money!!!? We gotta make sure they can eat!

Eh. "Free" parking subsidizes drivers and driving. End driver/driving subsidies.

End lunch subsidies, housing subsidies, electric power tool and car subsidies, solar panel subsidies, etc. etc.

End it all!

That's an unnuanced view of public policy. In the nuanced view, we subsidize behaviors/actions we want to encourage, and remove subsidies from behaviors/actions we don't want to encourage. We want to encourage kids having lunches, people having housing, and clean(er), local energy sources. We don't want to, and don't need to, encourage driving.

Which is why we make parking easier, so that local businesses thrive.

But this is moco, where the county does everything in its power to kill jobs, kill businesses, and stifle economic growth. No surprise.

No, when we make parking easier, we get a lot of roads, traffic congestion, parking lots, and car crashes, none of which contribute to economic vitality or help most local businesses. It's true that car crashes are good for car-repair, tow truck, and car-sales businesses, though.

Fix the problem then. What solution you got so a grocery store run doesn't take 4 hours and you can move millions of people all over the county.

Let me guess,.you have the typical list of really stupid ideas the bike idiots always try to propose.

I'm working on it. What are you doing?

Why should I have to do anything? I pay taxes.

Until there is a solution, I will drive. And you can eat my exhaust.

What a charmer you are.

I live in the suburbs because I chose to live in the suburbs. I WANT to drive everywhere and not have to take 10 hours on weekend to so basic chores because I have to take public train.

That’s what you clowns don’t get. You try to make the suburbs NYC, as if we have the same kind of density that can make public transportation economically viable.

We live in the burbs. Now accept the fact that it requires driving and stop having grand delusions that you can bike, bus, and take trains everywhere. You can’t. No one wants to spend entire days just trying to do two things like going to get milk and sugar and then having to spend 4 more hours to get to Target to pickup cleaning supplies.

Suburbanites drive. Get over it.

So do. Nobody is stopping you.

And pay for it.

We already do pay for it, numbnuts. Gas tax, car sales tax, registration fees, emissions fees, etc. etc. You know who pay yet enjoys all of the benefits? Cyclists. We should require licenses to own and operate bicycles if they want to use the roads and demand we cater to building so much infrastructure for them. Tax cyclists who currently get free rides.

I both cycle and own a car so I pay for all of those things even if I happen to be cycling.

Also, you know you know this but gas and other car taxes do not come close to covering the cost of maintaining roads. Those costs absolutely come out of general taxation coffers.

And cars allow people to get to work in order to generate incomes so govts can tax. Duh.

Let's see how economically viable killing peoples' ability to drive works when you demand people bike 20 miles each way to work. The county would implode.

It's suburbia. People drive. Deal with it.

The more you keep repeating, the more I think things actually might be changing, because otherwise you wouldn't feel like your car-ascendancy beliefs were threatened.

Nah, people are gonna drive.

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Anonymous wrote:The council is so good at figuring out new ways to take our money! This is on top of recently raising property tax rates and the recordation tax, of course.

"On or about July 8, 2023, Saturday payment will be required in garages and lots. Rates and hours requiring payment will be the same as the rest of the week."

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DOT-Parking/FAQ/using-meters.html

Poor drivers. Won't someone think of the drivers?

Poor county council, nonprofits, snd community activists. Whatever will they do without more taxpayer money!!!? We gotta make sure they can eat!

Eh. "Free" parking subsidizes drivers and driving. End driver/driving subsidies.

End lunch subsidies, housing subsidies, electric power tool and car subsidies, solar panel subsidies, etc. etc.

End it all!

That's an unnuanced view of public policy. In the nuanced view, we subsidize behaviors/actions we want to encourage, and remove subsidies from behaviors/actions we don't want to encourage. We want to encourage kids having lunches, people having housing, and clean(er), local energy sources. We don't want to, and don't need to, encourage driving.

Which is why we make parking easier, so that local businesses thrive.

But this is moco, where the county does everything in its power to kill jobs, kill businesses, and stifle economic growth. No surprise.

No, when we make parking easier, we get a lot of roads, traffic congestion, parking lots, and car crashes, none of which contribute to economic vitality or help most local businesses. It's true that car crashes are good for car-repair, tow truck, and car-sales businesses, though.

Fix the problem then. What solution you got so a grocery store run doesn't take 4 hours and you can move millions of people all over the county.

Let me guess,.you have the typical list of really stupid ideas the bike idiots always try to propose.

I'm working on it. What are you doing?

Why should I have to do anything? I pay taxes.

Until there is a solution, I will drive. And you can eat my exhaust.

What a charmer you are.

I live in the suburbs because I chose to live in the suburbs. I WANT to drive everywhere and not have to take 10 hours on weekend to so basic chores because I have to take public train.

That’s what you clowns don’t get. You try to make the suburbs NYC, as if we have the same kind of density that can make public transportation economically viable.

We live in the burbs. Now accept the fact that it requires driving and stop having grand delusions that you can bike, bus, and take trains everywhere. You can’t. No one wants to spend entire days just trying to do two things like going to get milk and sugar and then having to spend 4 more hours to get to Target to pickup cleaning supplies.

Suburbanites drive. Get over it.

So do. Nobody is stopping you.

And pay for it.

We already do pay for it, numbnuts. Gas tax, car sales tax, registration fees, emissions fees, etc. etc. You know who pay yet enjoys all of the benefits? Cyclists. We should require licenses to own and operate bicycles if they want to use the roads and demand we cater to building so much infrastructure for them. Tax cyclists who currently get free rides.

I both cycle and own a car so I pay for all of those things even if I happen to be cycling.

Also, you know you know this but gas and other car taxes do not come close to covering the cost of maintaining roads. Those costs absolutely come out of general taxation coffers.

And cars allow people to get to work in order to generate incomes so govts can tax. Duh.

Let's see how economically viable killing peoples' ability to drive works when you demand people bike 20 miles each way to work. The county would implode.

It's suburbia. People drive. Deal with it.

The fact that people drive does not magically mean that gas taxes and registration pay for all costs associated with driving. You want to live 20 miles from work, you pay for it. plenty of people live in MoCo and don't live 20 miles from work.

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Anonymous wrote:The council is so good at figuring out new ways to take our money! This is on top of recently raising property tax rates and the recordation tax, of course.

"On or about July 8, 2023, Saturday payment will be required in garages and lots. Rates and hours requiring payment will be the same as the rest of the week."

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DOT-Parking/FAQ/using-meters.html

Poor drivers. Won't someone think of the drivers?

Poor county council, nonprofits, snd community activists. Whatever will they do without more taxpayer money!!!? We gotta make sure they can eat!

Eh. "Free" parking subsidizes drivers and driving. End driver/driving subsidies.

End lunch subsidies, housing subsidies, electric power tool and car subsidies, solar panel subsidies, etc. etc.

End it all!

That's an unnuanced view of public policy. In the nuanced view, we subsidize behaviors/actions we want to encourage, and remove subsidies from behaviors/actions we don't want to encourage. We want to encourage kids having lunches, people having housing, and clean(er), local energy sources. We don't want to, and don't need to, encourage driving.

Which is why we make parking easier, so that local businesses thrive.

But this is moco, where the county does everything in its power to kill jobs, kill businesses, and stifle economic growth. No surprise.

No, when we make parking easier, we get a lot of roads, traffic congestion, parking lots, and car crashes, none of which contribute to economic vitality or help most local businesses. It's true that car crashes are good for car-repair, tow truck, and car-sales businesses, though.

Fix the problem then. What solution you got so a grocery store run doesn't take 4 hours and you can move millions of people all over the county.

Let me guess,.you have the typical list of really stupid ideas the bike idiots always try to propose.

I'm working on it. What are you doing?

Why should I have to do anything? I pay taxes.

Until there is a solution, I will drive. And you can eat my exhaust.

What a charmer you are.

I live in the suburbs because I chose to live in the suburbs. I WANT to drive everywhere and not have to take 10 hours on weekend to so basic chores because I have to take public train.

That’s what you clowns don’t get. You try to make the suburbs NYC, as if we have the same kind of density that can make public transportation economically viable.

We live in the burbs. Now accept the fact that it requires driving and stop having grand delusions that you can bike, bus, and take trains everywhere. You can’t. No one wants to spend entire days just trying to do two things like going to get milk and sugar and then having to spend 4 more hours to get to Target to pickup cleaning supplies.

Suburbanites drive. Get over it.

So do. Nobody is stopping you.

And pay for it.

We already do pay for it, numbnuts. Gas tax, car sales tax, registration fees, emissions fees, etc. etc. You know who pay yet enjoys all of the benefits? Cyclists. We should require licenses to own and operate bicycles if they want to use the roads and demand we cater to building so much infrastructure for them. Tax cyclists who currently get free rides.

If you don't want to pay gas and emissions, get an EV, brainiac. And everyone pays sales tax on stuff they buy, that's not unique to car owners.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The council is so good at figuring out new ways to take our money! This is on top of recently raising property tax rates and the recordation tax, of course.

"On or about July 8, 2023, Saturday payment will be required in garages and lots. Rates and hours requiring payment will be the same as the rest of the week."

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DOT-Parking/FAQ/using-meters.html

Poor drivers. Won't someone think of the drivers?

Poor county council, nonprofits, snd community activists. Whatever will they do without more taxpayer money!!!? We gotta make sure they can eat!

Eh. "Free" parking subsidizes drivers and driving. End driver/driving subsidies.

End lunch subsidies, housing subsidies, electric power tool and car subsidies, solar panel subsidies, etc. etc.

End it all!

That's an unnuanced view of public policy. In the nuanced view, we subsidize behaviors/actions we want to encourage, and remove subsidies from behaviors/actions we don't want to encourage. We want to encourage kids having lunches, people having housing, and clean(er), local energy sources. We don't want to, and don't need to, encourage driving.

Which is why we make parking easier, so that local businesses thrive.

But this is moco, where the county does everything in its power to kill jobs, kill businesses, and stifle economic growth. No surprise.

Gee I guess that's why NYC has so many failed businesses - no parking!

Moco isnt nyc. Wow, is stupid are you? Where’s our subway system with the most stops in the world like NYC? Really, really piss poor comparison and logic on your part.

I think we are arguing with a teenager in high school, lol.

Not to mention that NYC is actually really struggling right now.

Not really. But if it makes you feel better, keep telling yourself that.

NYC has lost over 5% of its population. And, the influx of migrants may offset that, but the city will struggle even more as a result.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/york-city-lost-5-3-100000482.html

Certainly doesn't make me feel better. I used to live in NYC and loved it. It's not the same city it was. Hopefully things improve.

I live here now, and am loving it. No one who doesn't currently live here really has any standing to talk about whether or not NYC is "struggling." You hate us cuz you ain't us.

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Anonymous wrote:


This is exactly the case. These activists want to urbanize every part of Montgomery County. It's crazy, because if you want to live in an urban environment, you have plenty of options in DC and in some parts of MoCo. But, that is not enough.

We CHOSE to live in the suburbs. Quit trying to impose your urban lifestyle on people who don't want it.

Yes, and your neighbors CHOSE to elect elected officials who are trying to change Montgomery County so that people aren't forced to drive everywhere for everything. Quit trying to impose your opinions on your neighbors.

And that's why MoCo is in steep decline and is excellent at killing jobs and businesses. It'll be funny when MoCo urbanizes everything and ends up building a bunch of mini ghost cities like China because everyone moves for jobs that all left MoCo.

They want to turn the county into Tokyo/Hong Kong when people move specifically to the burbs to escape horrific concrete jungles with no space. MoCo urbanists won't be happy until we look and live like people in Hong Kong and have Soviet style housing. But at least you can take the bus to the grocery store!

Utopia vision for Moco is when we finally live densely like people in Hong Kong because it is so good for the environment!



Beautiful future vision for MoCo:

"Soviet style housing in Hong Kong"

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Anonymous wrote:The council is so good at figuring out new ways to take our money! This is on top of recently raising property tax rates and the recordation tax, of course.

"On or about July 8, 2023, Saturday payment will be required in garages and lots. Rates and hours requiring payment will be the same as the rest of the week."

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DOT-Parking/FAQ/using-meters.html

Poor drivers. Won't someone think of the drivers?

Poor county council, nonprofits, snd community activists. Whatever will they do without more taxpayer money!!!? We gotta make sure they can eat!

Eh. "Free" parking subsidizes drivers and driving. End driver/driving subsidies.

End lunch subsidies, housing subsidies, electric power tool and car subsidies, solar panel subsidies, etc. etc.

End it all!

That's an unnuanced view of public policy. In the nuanced view, we subsidize behaviors/actions we want to encourage, and remove subsidies from behaviors/actions we don't want to encourage. We want to encourage kids having lunches, people having housing, and clean(er), local energy sources. We don't want to, and don't need to, encourage driving.

Which is why we make parking easier, so that local businesses thrive.

But this is moco, where the county does everything in its power to kill jobs, kill businesses, and stifle economic growth. No surprise.

No, when we make parking easier, we get a lot of roads, traffic congestion, parking lots, and car crashes, none of which contribute to economic vitality or help most local businesses. It's true that car crashes are good for car-repair, tow truck, and car-sales businesses, though.

Fix the problem then. What solution you got so a grocery store run doesn't take 4 hours and you can move millions of people all over the county.

Let me guess,.you have the typical list of really stupid ideas the bike idiots always try to propose.

I'm working on it. What are you doing?

Why should I have to do anything? I pay taxes.

Until there is a solution, I will drive. And you can eat my exhaust.

What a charmer you are.

I live in the suburbs because I chose to live in the suburbs. I WANT to drive everywhere and not have to take 10 hours on weekend to so basic chores because I have to take public train.

That’s what you clowns don’t get. You try to make the suburbs NYC, as if we have the same kind of density that can make public transportation economically viable.

We live in the burbs. Now accept the fact that it requires driving and stop having grand delusions that you can bike, bus, and take trains everywhere. You can’t. No one wants to spend entire days just trying to do two things like going to get milk and sugar and then having to spend 4 more hours to get to Target to pickup cleaning supplies.

Suburbanites drive. Get over it.

So do. Nobody is stopping you.

And pay for it.

We already do pay for it, numbnuts. Gas tax, car sales tax, registration fees, emissions fees, etc. etc. You know who pay yet enjoys all of the benefits? Cyclists. We should require licenses to own and operate bicycles if they want to use the roads and demand we cater to building so much infrastructure for them. Tax cyclists who currently get free rides.

I both cycle and own a car so I pay for all of those things even if I happen to be cycling.

Also, you know you know this but gas and other car taxes do not come close to covering the cost of maintaining roads. Those costs absolutely come out of general taxation coffers.

And cars allow people to get to work in order to generate incomes so govts can tax. Duh.

Let's see how economically viable killing peoples' ability to drive works when you demand people bike 20 miles each way to work. The county would implode.

It's suburbia. People drive. Deal with it.

The fact that people drive does not magically mean that gas taxes and registration pay for all costs associated with driving. You want to live 20 miles from work, you pay for it. plenty of people live in MoCo and don't live 20 miles from work.

So just to be clear.

Are you suggesting that you move each time you get a new job? Or your office leases new space in a different location?
Or your spouse gets a new job?
Or you both work in the same office building and change jobs in sync?

Give me a break.

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Anonymous wrote:The council is so good at figuring out new ways to take our money! This is on top of recently raising property tax rates and the recordation tax, of course.

"On or about July 8, 2023, Saturday payment will be required in garages and lots. Rates and hours requiring payment will be the same as the rest of the week."

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DOT-Parking/FAQ/using-meters.html

Poor drivers. Won't someone think of the drivers?

Poor county council, nonprofits, snd community activists. Whatever will they do without more taxpayer money!!!? We gotta make sure they can eat!

Eh. "Free" parking subsidizes drivers and driving. End driver/driving subsidies.

End lunch subsidies, housing subsidies, electric power tool and car subsidies, solar panel subsidies, etc. etc.

End it all!

That's an unnuanced view of public policy. In the nuanced view, we subsidize behaviors/actions we want to encourage, and remove subsidies from behaviors/actions we don't want to encourage. We want to encourage kids having lunches, people having housing, and clean(er), local energy sources. We don't want to, and don't need to, encourage driving.

Which is why we make parking easier, so that local businesses thrive.

But this is moco, where the county does everything in its power to kill jobs, kill businesses, and stifle economic growth. No surprise.

No, when we make parking easier, we get a lot of roads, traffic congestion, parking lots, and car crashes, none of which contribute to economic vitality or help most local businesses. It's true that car crashes are good for car-repair, tow truck, and car-sales businesses, though.

Fix the problem then. What solution you got so a grocery store run doesn't take 4 hours and you can move millions of people all over the county.

Let me guess,.you have the typical list of really stupid ideas the bike idiots always try to propose.

I'm working on it. What are you doing?

Why should I have to do anything? I pay taxes.

Until there is a solution, I will drive. And you can eat my exhaust.

What a charmer you are.

I live in the suburbs because I chose to live in the suburbs. I WANT to drive everywhere and not have to take 10 hours on weekend to so basic chores because I have to take public train.

That’s what you clowns don’t get. You try to make the suburbs NYC, as if we have the same kind of density that can make public transportation economically viable.

We live in the burbs. Now accept the fact that it requires driving and stop having grand delusions that you can bike, bus, and take trains everywhere. You can’t. No one wants to spend entire days just trying to do two things like going to get milk and sugar and then having to spend 4 more hours to get to Target to pickup cleaning supplies.

Suburbanites drive. Get over it.

So do. Nobody is stopping you.

And pay for it.

We already do pay for it, numbnuts. Gas tax, car sales tax, registration fees, emissions fees, etc. etc. You know who pay yet enjoys all of the benefits? Cyclists. We should require licenses to own and operate bicycles if they want to use the roads and demand we cater to building so much infrastructure for them. Tax cyclists who currently get free rides.

I both cycle and own a car so I pay for all of those things even if I happen to be cycling.

Also, you know you know this but gas and other car taxes do not come close to covering the cost of maintaining roads. Those costs absolutely come out of general taxation coffers.

And cars allow people to get to work in order to generate incomes so govts can tax. Duh.

Let's see how economically viable killing peoples' ability to drive works when you demand people bike 20 miles each way to work. The county would implode.

It's suburbia. People drive. Deal with it.

The fact that people drive does not magically mean that gas taxes and registration pay for all costs associated with driving. You want to live 20 miles from work, you pay for it. plenty of people live in MoCo and don't live 20 miles from work.

So because SOME people don't live 20 miles from work and SOME people can walk or bike to work means EVERYONE can easily do the same..

Really, really genius logic you got there.

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Anonymous wrote:The council is so good at figuring out new ways to take our money! This is on top of recently raising property tax rates and the recordation tax, of course.

"On or about July 8, 2023, Saturday payment will be required in garages and lots. Rates and hours requiring payment will be the same as the rest of the week."

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DOT-Parking/FAQ/using-meters.html

Poor drivers. Won't someone think of the drivers?

Poor county council, nonprofits, snd community activists. Whatever will they do without more taxpayer money!!!? We gotta make sure they can eat!

Eh. "Free" parking subsidizes drivers and driving. End driver/driving subsidies.

End lunch subsidies, housing subsidies, electric power tool and car subsidies, solar panel subsidies, etc. etc.

End it all!

That's an unnuanced view of public policy. In the nuanced view, we subsidize behaviors/actions we want to encourage, and remove subsidies from behaviors/actions we don't want to encourage. We want to encourage kids having lunches, people having housing, and clean(er), local energy sources. We don't want to, and don't need to, encourage driving.

Which is why we make parking easier, so that local businesses thrive.

But this is moco, where the county does everything in its power to kill jobs, kill businesses, and stifle economic growth. No surprise.

No, when we make parking easier, we get a lot of roads, traffic congestion, parking lots, and car crashes, none of which contribute to economic vitality or help most local businesses. It's true that car crashes are good for car-repair, tow truck, and car-sales businesses, though.

Fix the problem then. What solution you got so a grocery store run doesn't take 4 hours and you can move millions of people all over the county.

Let me guess,.you have the typical list of really stupid ideas the bike idiots always try to propose.

I'm working on it. What are you doing?

Why should I have to do anything? I pay taxes.

Until there is a solution, I will drive. And you can eat my exhaust.

What a charmer you are.

I live in the suburbs because I chose to live in the suburbs. I WANT to drive everywhere and not have to take 10 hours on weekend to so basic chores because I have to take public train.

That’s what you clowns don’t get. You try to make the suburbs NYC, as if we have the same kind of density that can make public transportation economically viable.

We live in the burbs. Now accept the fact that it requires driving and stop having grand delusions that you can bike, bus, and take trains everywhere. You can’t. No one wants to spend entire days just trying to do two things like going to get milk and sugar and then having to spend 4 more hours to get to Target to pickup cleaning supplies.

Suburbanites drive. Get over it.

So do. Nobody is stopping you.

And pay for it.

We already do pay for it, numbnuts. Gas tax, car sales tax, registration fees, emissions fees, etc. etc. You know who pay yet enjoys all of the benefits? Cyclists. We should require licenses to own and operate bicycles if they want to use the roads and demand we cater to building so much infrastructure for them. Tax cyclists who currently get free rides.

I both cycle and own a car so I pay for all of those things even if I happen to be cycling.

Also, you know you know this but gas and other car taxes do not come close to covering the cost of maintaining roads. Those costs absolutely come out of general taxation coffers.

And cars allow people to get to work in order to generate incomes so govts can tax. Duh.

Let's see how economically viable killing peoples' ability to drive works when you demand people bike 20 miles each way to work. The county would implode.

It's suburbia. People drive. Deal with it.

The fact that people drive does not magically mean that gas taxes and registration pay for all costs associated with driving. You want to live 20 miles from work, you pay for it. plenty of people live in MoCo and don't live 20 miles from work.

So because SOME people don't live 20 miles from work and SOME people can walk or bike to work means EVERYONE can easily do the same..

Really, really genius logic you got there.

Because SOME people live 20 miles from work and SOME people can't walk or bike to work means NOBODY can easily do the same?

Because SOME people live 20 miles from work and SOME people can drive to work means EVERYONE can easily do the same?

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Anonymous wrote:The council is so good at figuring out new ways to take our money! This is on top of recently raising property tax rates and the recordation tax, of course.

"On or about July 8, 2023, Saturday payment will be required in garages and lots. Rates and hours requiring payment will be the same as the rest of the week."

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DOT-Parking/FAQ/using-meters.html

Poor drivers. Won't someone think of the drivers?

Poor county council, nonprofits, snd community activists. Whatever will they do without more taxpayer money!!!? We gotta make sure they can eat!

Eh. "Free" parking subsidizes drivers and driving. End driver/driving subsidies.

End lunch subsidies, housing subsidies, electric power tool and car subsidies, solar panel subsidies, etc. etc.

End it all!

That's an unnuanced view of public policy. In the nuanced view, we subsidize behaviors/actions we want to encourage, and remove subsidies from behaviors/actions we don't want to encourage. We want to encourage kids having lunches, people having housing, and clean(er), local energy sources. We don't want to, and don't need to, encourage driving.

Which is why we make parking easier, so that local businesses thrive.

But this is moco, where the county does everything in its power to kill jobs, kill businesses, and stifle economic growth. No surprise.

No, when we make parking easier, we get a lot of roads, traffic congestion, parking lots, and car crashes, none of which contribute to economic vitality or help most local businesses. It's true that car crashes are good for car-repair, tow truck, and car-sales businesses, though.

Fix the problem then. What solution you got so a grocery store run doesn't take 4 hours and you can move millions of people all over the county.

Let me guess,.you have the typical list of really stupid ideas the bike idiots always try to propose.

I'm working on it. What are you doing?

Why should I have to do anything? I pay taxes.

Until there is a solution, I will drive. And you can eat my exhaust.

What a charmer you are.

I live in the suburbs because I chose to live in the suburbs. I WANT to drive everywhere and not have to take 10 hours on weekend to so basic chores because I have to take public train.

That’s what you clowns don’t get. You try to make the suburbs NYC, as if we have the same kind of density that can make public transportation economically viable.

We live in the burbs. Now accept the fact that it requires driving and stop having grand delusions that you can bike, bus, and take trains everywhere. You can’t. No one wants to spend entire days just trying to do two things like going to get milk and sugar and then having to spend 4 more hours to get to Target to pickup cleaning supplies.

Suburbanites drive. Get over it.

So do. Nobody is stopping you.

And pay for it.

We already do pay for it, numbnuts. Gas tax, car sales tax, registration fees, emissions fees, etc. etc. You know who pay yet enjoys all of the benefits? Cyclists. We should require licenses to own and operate bicycles if they want to use the roads and demand we cater to building so much infrastructure for them. Tax cyclists who currently get free rides.

I both cycle and own a car so I pay for all of those things even if I happen to be cycling.

Also, you know you know this but gas and other car taxes do not come close to covering the cost of maintaining roads. Those costs absolutely come out of general taxation coffers.

And cars allow people to get to work in order to generate incomes so govts can tax. Duh.

Let's see how economically viable killing peoples' ability to drive works when you demand people bike 20 miles each way to work. The county would implode.

It's suburbia. People drive. Deal with it.

The fact that people drive does not magically mean that gas taxes and registration pay for all costs associated with driving. You want to live 20 miles from work, you pay for it. plenty of people live in MoCo and don't live 20 miles from work.

So just to be clear.

Are you suggesting that you move each time you get a new job? Or your office leases new space in a different location?
Or your spouse gets a new job?
Or you both work in the same office building and change jobs in sync?

Give me a break.

Funny how some people always point out that not everyone can walk, bike, or take transit to work but never point out that not everyone can drive to work.

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More of the beautiful visions MoCo urbanists have for the county:


https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2017/jun/07/boxed-life-inside-hong-kong-coffin-cubicles-cage-homes-in-pictures





How dare you have a lawn, want space, and drive! You are an animal that is equivalent to a rat, so live like one! It better for the environment, housing affordability, and land use!

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Anonymous wrote:The council is so good at figuring out new ways to take our money! This is on top of recently raising property tax rates and the recordation tax, of course.

"On or about July 8, 2023, Saturday payment will be required in garages and lots. Rates and hours requiring payment will be the same as the rest of the week."

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DOT-Parking/FAQ/using-meters.html

Poor drivers. Won't someone think of the drivers?

Poor county council, nonprofits, snd community activists. Whatever will they do without more taxpayer money!!!? We gotta make sure they can eat!

Eh. "Free" parking subsidizes drivers and driving. End driver/driving subsidies.

End lunch subsidies, housing subsidies, electric power tool and car subsidies, solar panel subsidies, etc. etc.

End it all!

That's an unnuanced view of public policy. In the nuanced view, we subsidize behaviors/actions we want to encourage, and remove subsidies from behaviors/actions we don't want to encourage. We want to encourage kids having lunches, people having housing, and clean(er), local energy sources. We don't want to, and don't need to, encourage driving.

Which is why we make parking easier, so that local businesses thrive.

But this is moco, where the county does everything in its power to kill jobs, kill businesses, and stifle economic growth. No surprise.

No, when we make parking easier, we get a lot of roads, traffic congestion, parking lots, and car crashes, none of which contribute to economic vitality or help most local businesses. It's true that car crashes are good for car-repair, tow truck, and car-sales businesses, though.

Fix the problem then. What solution you got so a grocery store run doesn't take 4 hours and you can move millions of people all over the county.

Let me guess,.you have the typical list of really stupid ideas the bike idiots always try to propose.

I'm working on it. What are you doing?

Why should I have to do anything? I pay taxes.

Until there is a solution, I will drive. And you can eat my exhaust.

What a charmer you are.

I live in the suburbs because I chose to live in the suburbs. I WANT to drive everywhere and not have to take 10 hours on weekend to so basic chores because I have to take public train.

That’s what you clowns don’t get. You try to make the suburbs NYC, as if we have the same kind of density that can make public transportation economically viable.

We live in the burbs. Now accept the fact that it requires driving and stop having grand delusions that you can bike, bus, and take trains everywhere. You can’t. No one wants to spend entire days just trying to do two things like going to get milk and sugar and then having to spend 4 more hours to get to Target to pickup cleaning supplies.

Suburbanites drive. Get over it.

So do. Nobody is stopping you.

And pay for it.

We already do pay for it, numbnuts. Gas tax, car sales tax, registration fees, emissions fees, etc. etc. You know who pay yet enjoys all of the benefits? Cyclists. We should require licenses to own and operate bicycles if they want to use the roads and demand we cater to building so much infrastructure for them. Tax cyclists who currently get free rides.

I both cycle and own a car so I pay for all of those things even if I happen to be cycling.

Also, you know you know this but gas and other car taxes do not come close to covering the cost of maintaining roads. Those costs absolutely come out of general taxation coffers.

And cars allow people to get to work in order to generate incomes so govts can tax. Duh.

Let's see how economically viable killing peoples' ability to drive works when you demand people bike 20 miles each way to work. The county would implode.

It's suburbia. People drive. Deal with it.

The fact that people drive does not magically mean that gas taxes and registration pay for all costs associated with driving. You want to live 20 miles from work, you pay for it. plenty of people live in MoCo and don't live 20 miles from work.

So because SOME people don't live 20 miles from work and SOME people can walk or bike to work means EVERYONE can easily do the same..

Really, really genius logic you got there.

Because SOME people live 20 miles from work and SOME people can't walk or bike to work means NOBODY can easily do the same?

Because SOME people live 20 miles from work and SOME people can drive to work means EVERYONE can easily do the same?

Way to miss the point. The urbanist cult doesn't want to give anyone a choice. People who move to suburbia on purpose to have suburbia aren't the ones trying to control other peoples' lives. If you want to bike to work and take 6 hours to go to the grocery store by taking public transportation, that's all you. I will drive and expect to be able to drive. I moved to suburbia and expect to drive. I pay taxes to support the infrastructure for driving.

If you hate suburbia then get the hell out. Go move your cramped ass apartment in NYC for $3500 per mo so you can walk everywhere. Stop expecting everyone else to adopt your desired lifestyle.

I will drive everywhere because I want to and that's the way suburbia is designed. Deal with it or move.