Why are UMC kids graduating 1 yr early from college?!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was a working class first-gen student at HSYP. My college years were heaven for me. I squeezed every possible benefit from that HSYP experience. No way would I have left early and short-changed myself. When it was time to leave it was really bittersweet. We had developed such strong friendships and had shared so many challenging and joyful times together during those short four years. I can't imagine any of us wanting it to end a minute sooner than necessary.

At schools like HSYP they used APs for placement purposes back in the day. If you got a 5 on AP Calculus you could enroll in the harder Calc for engineers math class. Otherwise, you had to take a math test during orientation week, and everyone who didn't score high enough went into the regular calc class. But nobody skipped taking the first calculus class in the math series. There's no way that those high school AP or community college Dual Enrollment classes are at all equivalent to taking something like chemistry with HSYP students who are being graded on a curve.

If HSYP is going to give you a diploma with their name on it, they want to be sure your course work was completed under their standards and conditions. I agree with that approach.

Not sure about HYPS but Columbia & Cornell definitely have students graduating early every year.

HYPS gives full financial aid to needy students, so the financial issue isn’t there.

[Anonymous]

My DD will graduate one semester early from Southern Cal in December '23, and will save about 47K in tuition, room/board, travel expenses. DD will take that money and travel the world immediately after graduation in December.

[Anonymous]

Lots of sheltered folks who don’t get that lots of students have to take out the max loans every semester + work 30 hours/week year round to even afford to go to GMU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obviously people keep learning and doing fun things after college graduation. But in the FT work world, you only get two weeks of PTO a year. You don't have summers and all those long school breaks once you start a full time job. And being a student isn't a full time job in the sense that you don't spend 40 hours/week sitting in classes or labs. Most of it is spent on your own, and you can often select the times and days when you are in class. It really is a different phase of life that will never come again. There's no need to rush through your youth unless you're financially strapped. And most people have more to learn after their junior year of college. Practicing writing some more papers, preferably a honors thesis if you're all done with requirements for your major, or doing a double major are ways to improve your skills and make yourself more attractive to grad schools and employers.

As someone who hires college grads, I would look upon a degree earned in three years as inferior to one earned in four. I'd also wonder if you're socially inept or uncomfortable with your peers because why else would you skip your fun senior year?

Absolute garbage.

[Anonymous]

I guess students should put their FAFSA EFC on the resumé for that pp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obviously people keep learning and doing fun things after college graduation. But in the FT work world, you only get two weeks of PTO a year. You don't have summers and all those long school breaks once you start a full time job. And being a student isn't a full time job in the sense that you don't spend 40 hours/week sitting in classes or labs. Most of it is spent on your own, and you can often select the times and days when you are in class. It really is a different phase of life that will never come again. There's no need to rush through your youth unless you're financially strapped. And most people have more to learn after their junior year of college. Practicing writing some more papers, preferably a honors thesis if you're all done with requirements for your major, or doing a double major are ways to improve your skills and make yourself more attractive to grad schools and employers.

As someone who hires college grads, I would look upon a degree earned in three years as inferior to one earned in four. I'd also wonder if you're socially inept or uncomfortable with your peers because why else would you skip your fun senior year?

Haha. Wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was a working class first-gen student at HSYP. My college years were heaven for me. I squeezed every possible benefit from that HSYP experience. No way would I have left early and short-changed myself. When it was time to leave it was really bittersweet. We had developed such strong friendships and had shared so many challenging and joyful times together during those short four years. I can't imagine any of us wanting it to end a minute sooner than necessary.

At schools like HSYP they used APs for placement purposes back in the day. If you got a 5 on AP Calculus you could enroll in the harder Calc for engineers math class. Otherwise, you had to take a math test during orientation week, and everyone who didn't score high enough went into the regular calc class. But nobody skipped taking the first calculus class in the math series. There's no way that those high school AP or community college Dual Enrollment classes are at all equivalent to taking something like chemistry with HSYP students who are being graded on a curve.

If HSYP is going to give you a diploma with their name on it, they want to be sure your course work was completed under their standards and conditions. I agree with that approach.

While half the student body was scraping money together to be full pay, you were being completely subsidized. Must’ve been nice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously people keep learning and doing fun things after college graduation. But in the FT work world, you only get two weeks of PTO a year. You don't have summers and all those long school breaks once you start a full time job. And being a student isn't a full time job in the sense that you don't spend 40 hours/week sitting in classes or labs. Most of it is spent on your own, and you can often select the times and days when you are in class. It really is a different phase of life that will never come again. There's no need to rush through your youth unless you're financially strapped. And most people have more to learn after their junior year of college. Practicing writing some more papers, preferably a honors thesis if you're all done with requirements for your major, or doing a double major are ways to improve your skills and make yourself more attractive to grad schools and employers.

As someone who hires college grads, I would look upon a degree earned in three years as inferior to one earned in four. I'd also wonder if you're socially inept or uncomfortable with your peers because why else would you skip your fun senior year?

Really? You can’t think of any other reason? Think harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was a working class first-gen student at HSYP. My college years were heaven for me. I squeezed every possible benefit from that HSYP experience. No way would I have left early and short-changed myself. When it was time to leave it was really bittersweet. We had developed such strong friendships and had shared so many challenging and joyful times together during those short four years. I can't imagine any of us wanting it to end a minute sooner than necessary.

At schools like HSYP they used APs for placement purposes back in the day. If you got a 5 on AP Calculus you could enroll in the harder Calc for engineers math class. Otherwise, you had to take a math test during orientation week, and everyone who didn't score high enough went into the regular calc class. But nobody skipped taking the first calculus class in the math series. There's no way that those high school AP or community college Dual Enrollment classes are at all equivalent to taking something like chemistry with HSYP students who are being graded on a curve.

If HSYP is going to give you a diploma with their name on it, they want to be sure your course work was completed under their standards and conditions. I agree with that approach.

Or because they need four years of tuition $$$$$$. You freeloaded, so you wouldn’t get that. And don’t say “HYPS doesn’t need money,” if they didn’t, they’d make tuition free for all their students.

[Anonymous]

I’m pretty sure it’s not legal to ask a job candidate what year they graduated, and certainly not the exact years they went to college. Degree verification is legal, of course.

[Anonymous]

It’s a big no-no for a job to ask “how old you are” in an alternate way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was a working class first-gen student at HSYP. My college years were heaven for me. I squeezed every possible benefit from that HSYP experience. No way would I have left early and short-changed myself. When it was time to leave it was really bittersweet. We had developed such strong friendships and had shared so many challenging and joyful times together during those short four years. I can't imagine any of us wanting it to end a minute sooner than necessary.

At schools like HSYP they used APs for placement purposes back in the day. If you got a 5 on AP Calculus you could enroll in the harder Calc for engineers math class. Otherwise, you had to take a math test during orientation week, and everyone who didn't score high enough went into the regular calc class. But nobody skipped taking the first calculus class in the math series. There's no way that those high school AP or community college Dual Enrollment classes are at all equivalent to taking something like chemistry with HSYP students who are being graded on a curve.

If HSYP is going to give you a diploma with their name on it, they want to be sure your course work was completed under their standards and conditions. I agree with that approach.

Not sure about HYPS but Columbia & Cornell definitely have students graduating early every year.

HYPS gives full financial aid to needy students, so the financial issue isn’t there.

There's no full pay middle class at HYPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was a working class first-gen student at HSYP. My college years were heaven for me. I squeezed every possible benefit from that HSYP experience. No way would I have left early and short-changed myself. When it was time to leave it was really bittersweet. We had developed such strong friendships and had shared so many challenging and joyful times together during those short four years. I can't imagine any of us wanting it to end a minute sooner than necessary.

At schools like HSYP they used APs for placement purposes back in the day. If you got a 5 on AP Calculus you could enroll in the harder Calc for engineers math class. Otherwise, you had to take a math test during orientation week, and everyone who didn't score high enough went into the regular calc class. But nobody skipped taking the first calculus class in the math series. There's no way that those high school AP or community college Dual Enrollment classes are at all equivalent to taking something like chemistry with HSYP students who are being graded on a curve.

If HSYP is going to give you a diploma with their name on it, they want to be sure your course work was completed under their standards and conditions. I agree with that approach.

Not sure about HYPS but Columbia & Cornell definitely have students graduating early every year.

HYPS gives full financial aid to needy students, so the financial issue isn’t there.

There's no full pay middle class at HYPS?

DP there are, and they’re struggling to pay unlike that PP who can’t fathom why someone would “leave early”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obviously people keep learning and doing fun things after college graduation. But in the FT work world, you only get two weeks of PTO a year. You don't have summers and all those long school breaks once you start a full time job. And being a student isn't a full time job in the sense that you don't spend 40 hours/week sitting in classes or labs. Most of it is spent on your own, and you can often select the times and days when you are in class. It really is a different phase of life that will never come again. There's no need to rush through your youth unless you're financially strapped. And most people have more to learn after their junior year of college. Practicing writing some more papers, preferably a honors thesis if you're all done with requirements for your major, or doing a double major are ways to improve your skills and make yourself more attractive to grad schools and employers.

As someone who hires college grads, I would look upon a degree earned in three years as inferior to one earned in four. I'd also wonder if you're socially inept or uncomfortable with your peers because why else would you skip your fun senior year?

“Fun senior year” I genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about. You must’ve went to a trust fund kid LAC.

[Anonymous]

Kids in the UK & Europe graduate in 3 years & they seem to manage just fine.

At state schools, the lines between “grade levels” don’t exist like they do at small privates. I went to a selective large state flagship and was in classes with veterans, 50 year olds, always with people in every class year (freshmen, seniors etc), gifted high schoolers and everything in between. Pretty much everyone lived off-campus after freshman year. You lived with your friends or previous roommates if possible, but if not, you lived with whoever you could find. Not everyone knew each other’s exact graduation date.