Amazon ad with Girl with mustache

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I didn’t even notice the mustache, I thought it was all about the gap in her teeth like Freddie Mercury.

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Anonymous wrote:It freaked me out. What was that about? Was it something with trans?

I hadn't seen it until I saw this thread. I'm a trans woman and after watching it, it seems pretty obvious to me that the person in the video is a nonbinary AFAB person, most likely on testosterone. It's clearly queer coded and the person is clearly supposed to be gender nonconforming and almost certainly nonbinary. They could have made it more obvious with something like a trans flag but that's probably too on the nose for cis viewers. I'd wager the only reason that there wasn't a blahaj in the video is because it's an Ikea product. If you're not familiar, it's a large and inexpensive stuffed shark from Ikea that happens to have the same colors as the trans flag and has become a thing in trans culture.

If they were on testosterone because they’re trans, they wouldn’t be upset about the lip hair and trying to remove it…

Maybe you're right. I might be reading too much into the bedroom. I'm not nonbinary but I know many that are and they don't all want the same things in their transition but one cannot dictate what hormones will do to your body. For example, an AFAB NB might not want body hair but would want a mustache. Or they may not want a mustache either. Some AMAB NB's want body feminization without breast growth. You're probably right though and I'm reading too much into it.

Am I the only one who can't follow most of what the PP is writing? Maybe lay off all of the acronyms for a second.

They’re saying Assigned Male at Birth, Assigned Female at Birth, and Non-Binary. It’s similar to man, woman, neither/both.

I can't roll my eyes hard enough at this. Sex (male/female) is biology, and nobody is assigning it to you.

Different PP.. I admit I'm not familiar with a lot of terms, I thought it was Anatomically Male At Birth and Amatomically Female At Birth.

Now THAT makes a lot more sense. I hope you're right.

No, PP isn’t right. The A stands for “assigned”.

Assigned by who?

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Anonymous wrote:It freaked me out. What was that about? Was it something with trans?

I hadn't seen it until I saw this thread. I'm a trans woman and after watching it, it seems pretty obvious to me that the person in the video is a nonbinary AFAB person, most likely on testosterone. It's clearly queer coded and the person is clearly supposed to be gender nonconforming and almost certainly nonbinary. They could have made it more obvious with something like a trans flag but that's probably too on the nose for cis viewers. I'd wager the only reason that there wasn't a blahaj in the video is because it's an Ikea product. If you're not familiar, it's a large and inexpensive stuffed shark from Ikea that happens to have the same colors as the trans flag and has become a thing in trans culture.

If they were on testosterone because they’re trans, they wouldn’t be upset about the lip hair and trying to remove it…

Maybe you're right. I might be reading too much into the bedroom. I'm not nonbinary but I know many that are and they don't all want the same things in their transition but one cannot dictate what hormones will do to your body. For example, an AFAB NB might not want body hair but would want a mustache. Or they may not want a mustache either. Some AMAB NB's want body feminization without breast growth. You're probably right though and I'm reading too much into it.

Am I the only one who can't follow most of what the PP is writing? Maybe lay off all of the acronyms for a second.

They’re saying Assigned Male at Birth, Assigned Female at Birth, and Non-Binary. It’s similar to man, woman, neither/both.

I can't roll my eyes hard enough at this. Sex (male/female) is biology, and nobody is assigning it to you.

Different PP.. I admit I'm not familiar with a lot of terms, I thought it was Anatomically Male At Birth and Amatomically Female At Birth.

Now THAT makes a lot more sense. I hope you're right.

No, PP isn’t right. The A stands for “assigned”.

Assigned by who?

Uh…the doctor? You understand that I did not personally come up with this terminology, right?

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Anonymous wrote:It freaked me out. What was that about? Was it something with trans?

I hadn't seen it until I saw this thread. I'm a trans woman and after watching it, it seems pretty obvious to me that the person in the video is a nonbinary AFAB person, most likely on testosterone. It's clearly queer coded and the person is clearly supposed to be gender nonconforming and almost certainly nonbinary. They could have made it more obvious with something like a trans flag but that's probably too on the nose for cis viewers. I'd wager the only reason that there wasn't a blahaj in the video is because it's an Ikea product. If you're not familiar, it's a large and inexpensive stuffed shark from Ikea that happens to have the same colors as the trans flag and has become a thing in trans culture.

If they were on testosterone because they’re trans, they wouldn’t be upset about the lip hair and trying to remove it…

Maybe you're right. I might be reading too much into the bedroom. I'm not nonbinary but I know many that are and they don't all want the same things in their transition but one cannot dictate what hormones will do to your body. For example, an AFAB NB might not want body hair but would want a mustache. Or they may not want a mustache either. Some AMAB NB's want body feminization without breast growth. You're probably right though and I'm reading too much into it.

Am I the only one who can't follow most of what the PP is writing? Maybe lay off all of the acronyms for a second.

They’re saying Assigned Male at Birth, Assigned Female at Birth, and Non-Binary. It’s similar to man, woman, neither/both.

I can't roll my eyes hard enough at this. Sex (male/female) is biology, and nobody is assigning it to you.

Different PP.. I admit I'm not familiar with a lot of terms, I thought it was Anatomically Male At Birth and Amatomically Female At Birth.

Now THAT makes a lot more sense. I hope you're right.

No, PP isn’t right. The A stands for “assigned”.

Assigned by who?

Whoever fills out the birth certificate … family member, midwife, dr, nurse

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Anonymous wrote:The person who thinks all the negativity is from older women is incorrect, I'm one of the pps and I'm Gen X.

You are an older woman.

—another Gen X woman

I wasn't clear, I'm Gen X and I'm supportive of women choosing to do what they want with their own body hair. So I'm older and positive about the girl's appearance. Not all older women on this thread are judging.

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Anonymous wrote:It freaked me out. What was that about? Was it something with trans?

I hadn't seen it until I saw this thread. I'm a trans woman and after watching it, it seems pretty obvious to me that the person in the video is a nonbinary AFAB person, most likely on testosterone. It's clearly queer coded and the person is clearly supposed to be gender nonconforming and almost certainly nonbinary. They could have made it more obvious with something like a trans flag but that's probably too on the nose for cis viewers. I'd wager the only reason that there wasn't a blahaj in the video is because it's an Ikea product. If you're not familiar, it's a large and inexpensive stuffed shark from Ikea that happens to have the same colors as the trans flag and has become a thing in trans culture.

If they were on testosterone because they’re trans, they wouldn’t be upset about the lip hair and trying to remove it…

Maybe you're right. I might be reading too much into the bedroom. I'm not nonbinary but I know many that are and they don't all want the same things in their transition but one cannot dictate what hormones will do to your body. For example, an AFAB NB might not want body hair but would want a mustache. Or they may not want a mustache either. Some AMAB NB's want body feminization without breast growth. You're probably right though and I'm reading too much into it.

Am I the only one who can't follow most of what the PP is writing? Maybe lay off all of the acronyms for a second.

They’re saying Assigned Male at Birth, Assigned Female at Birth, and Non-Binary. It’s similar to man, woman, neither/both.

I can't roll my eyes hard enough at this. Sex (male/female) is biology, and nobody is assigning it to you.

Different PP.. I admit I'm not familiar with a lot of terms, I thought it was Anatomically Male At Birth and Amatomically Female At Birth.

Now THAT makes a lot more sense. I hope you're right.

No, PP isn’t right. The A stands for “assigned”.

Assigned by who?

Uh…the doctor? You understand that I did not personally come up with this terminology, right?

In fairness though, doctors probably don't see themselves as being in the sex assignment business. They probably think they deliver babies, observe their genitals, and if they have a penis they document that as male and if they have a vagina, they document that as female. It is only recently that people now believe that sex is a wholly internal concept with no external attributes, and that penises show up on males and females at random.

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Anonymous wrote:It freaked me out. What was that about? Was it something with trans?

I hadn't seen it until I saw this thread. I'm a trans woman and after watching it, it seems pretty obvious to me that the person in the video is a nonbinary AFAB person, most likely on testosterone. It's clearly queer coded and the person is clearly supposed to be gender nonconforming and almost certainly nonbinary. They could have made it more obvious with something like a trans flag but that's probably too on the nose for cis viewers. I'd wager the only reason that there wasn't a blahaj in the video is because it's an Ikea product. If you're not familiar, it's a large and inexpensive stuffed shark from Ikea that happens to have the same colors as the trans flag and has become a thing in trans culture.

If they were on testosterone because they’re trans, they wouldn’t be upset about the lip hair and trying to remove it…

Maybe you're right. I might be reading too much into the bedroom. I'm not nonbinary but I know many that are and they don't all want the same things in their transition but one cannot dictate what hormones will do to your body. For example, an AFAB NB might not want body hair but would want a mustache. Or they may not want a mustache either. Some AMAB NB's want body feminization without breast growth. You're probably right though and I'm reading too much into it.

Am I the only one who can't follow most of what the PP is writing? Maybe lay off all of the acronyms for a second.

They’re saying Assigned Male at Birth, Assigned Female at Birth, and Non-Binary. It’s similar to man, woman, neither/both.

I can't roll my eyes hard enough at this. Sex (male/female) is biology, and nobody is assigning it to you.

Different PP.. I admit I'm not familiar with a lot of terms, I thought it was Anatomically Male At Birth and Amatomically Female At Birth.

Now THAT makes a lot more sense. I hope you're right.

No, PP isn’t right. The A stands for “assigned”.

Assigned by who?

Uh…the doctor? You understand that I did not personally come up with this terminology, right?

In fairness though, doctors probably don't see themselves as being in the sex assignment business. They probably think they deliver babies, observe their genitals, and if they have a penis they document that as male and if they have a vagina, they document that as female. It is only recently that people now believe that sex is a wholly internal concept with no external attributes, and that penises show up on males and females at random.

That’s what that means. It’s like a way for people who transition later to say what they were born as, without calling themselves male or female? Idk, I’m not an expert

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People offended by a mustache on a girl aren’t in a least bit weirded out by bushy thick eyebrows everyone seems to be sporting these days. At least mustache looks natural.

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Anonymous wrote:I just saw on Twitter that the model has booked a campaign with Nike.

In general, this ad is getting really bad feedback. They should just share the shortened version.

Why? Because facial hair on women is offensive to you?

I"m not PP, but while I don't find it offiensive, I do find it very unattractive.

Do you like it?

I do have friends with hair on their face and they are attractive.

Not with a mustache they aren’t.

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Anonymous wrote:People offended by a mustache on a girl aren’t in a least bit weirded out by bushy thick eyebrows everyone seems to be sporting these days. At least mustache looks natural.

Neither look natural.

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Anonymous wrote:The person who thinks all the negativity is from older women is incorrect, I'm one of the pps and I'm Gen X.

I'm a negative elder Millenial.

Sorry, but also an older woman.

Yeah I know that. I'm just stating that we elder millennials maintain exacting standards. Workout, dress up, and don't let everything grow freely. Have some self respect.

I do all of those things, too, but it’s interesting that you equate it with self-respect. It’s just learned behavior, nothing more. Strict adherence to cultural norms is really more about following without questioning, about wanting to fit in. I’d argue that the people who go against the grain really have more self respect.

One of the defining symptoms of depression is not grooming up to normal standards. It's not a far stretch to day that people who don't groom per conventional social standards may be suffering from self worth issues.

I've noticed that in Florida, some women are growing sparse beards and it appears to be a fashion choice. I don't think it enhances their looks but it is a conscious grooming choice, at least. Even in that case, I'm opposed to it. Part of being human is appreciating and seeking beauty. There is something perverse and against the human spirit to actively cultivate ugliness-- in looks, in interior design, etc and then pretend that people are lesser for reacting negatively (as humans do) to ugliness.

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Anonymous wrote:The person who thinks all the negativity is from older women is incorrect, I'm one of the pps and I'm Gen X.

I'm a negative elder Millenial.

Sorry, but also an older woman.

Yeah I know that. I'm just stating that we elder millennials maintain exacting standards. Workout, dress up, and don't let everything grow freely. Have some self respect.

I do all of those things, too, but it’s interesting that you equate it with self-respect. It’s just learned behavior, nothing more. Strict adherence to cultural norms is really more about following without questioning, about wanting to fit in. I’d argue that the people who go against the grain really have more self respect.

One of the defining symptoms of depression is not grooming up to normal standards. It's not a far stretch to day that people who don't groom per conventional social standards may be suffering from self worth issues.

I've noticed that in Florida, some women are growing sparse beards and it appears to be a fashion choice. I don't think it enhances their looks but it is a conscious grooming choice, at least. Even in that case, I'm opposed to it. Part of being human is appreciating and seeking beauty. There is something perverse and against the human spirit to actively cultivate ugliness-- in looks, in interior design, etc and then pretend that people are lesser for reacting negatively (as humans do) to ugliness.

NP. Hard swing and a miss, lol

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Anonymous wrote:It freaked me out. What was that about? Was it something with trans?

I hadn't seen it until I saw this thread. I'm a trans woman and after watching it, it seems pretty obvious to me that the person in the video is a nonbinary AFAB person, most likely on testosterone. It's clearly queer coded and the person is clearly supposed to be gender nonconforming and almost certainly nonbinary. They could have made it more obvious with something like a trans flag but that's probably too on the nose for cis viewers. I'd wager the only reason that there wasn't a blahaj in the video is because it's an Ikea product. If you're not familiar, it's a large and inexpensive stuffed shark from Ikea that happens to have the same colors as the trans flag and has become a thing in trans culture.

If they were on testosterone because they’re trans, they wouldn’t be upset about the lip hair and trying to remove it…

Maybe you're right. I might be reading too much into the bedroom. I'm not nonbinary but I know many that are and they don't all want the same things in their transition but one cannot dictate what hormones will do to your body. For example, an AFAB NB might not want body hair but would want a mustache. Or they may not want a mustache either. Some AMAB NB's want body feminization without breast growth. You're probably right though and I'm reading too much into it.

Am I the only one who can't follow most of what the PP is writing? Maybe lay off all of the acronyms for a second.

They’re saying Assigned Male at Birth, Assigned Female at Birth, and Non-Binary. It’s similar to man, woman, neither/both.

I can't roll my eyes hard enough at this. Sex (male/female) is biology, and nobody is assigning it to you.

Different PP.. I admit I'm not familiar with a lot of terms, I thought it was Anatomically Male At Birth and Amatomically Female At Birth.

Now THAT makes a lot more sense. I hope you're right.

No, PP isn’t right. The A stands for “assigned”.

Assigned by who?

Uh…the doctor? You understand that I did not personally come up with this terminology, right?

Um, no one said you did?
It’s stupid to “assign” a literal biological characteristic to someone. It’s like saying “assigned human” or “assigned 10 fingers”. It’s just ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t get over the poster who thinks women don’t grow hair on their upper lips naturally.

I am sure she is someone who dyes her hair every four weeks and pretends she has no gray hair even though she is in her late 50s or older.

I applaud this ad’s questioning of our beauty standards that deem most of us ugly as we are.

NP but I don't grow hair on my upper lip naturally and I assumed most other women didn't either.

You probably just don’t have friends from other cultures.

Oh wait. I looked it up and realized I am not wrong. You are. Most women don't have facial hair. I am surprised by how large a minority of women do, though-- 40%.


https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Unwanted-Facial-Hair%3A-Affects%2C-Effects-and-Blume-Peytavi-Gieler/4472d85072e69f7c594816c89fd662277b475d41

A study from almost 20 years ago. Got anything more recent to assert your majority.
Also, I can't quite see what region they are defining for the "general population" they are referring to. The U.S.? the world?

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Is it fair to say most women don’t like facial hair and take steps to minimize or remove it?