Why choose West Point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So in summary, military academies could be a big bang for the buck when you are academically average, have a physical good enough to play high school sports, and you are fine with military lifestyle and even like it. 
 
Education is free, job security is very good, and it's fairly well respected in the society.
If you are well above the average and stand out, then it's even better.
So it's understandable some kids choosing this path.

35
Academically average = 1000 SAT

Yeah, this thread has devolved into stupidity, as usual. 28-33 ACT is not "average," though not up to par with the 34-36 ACT score expected on DCUM. USMA and the other academies public their class profiles; you can look it up. USMA is not test optional and, last I heard, requires the writing portion of the ACT. Admissions are holistic, with grades and standardized test scores being one factor. Leadership and fitness are other factors. Also, the medical requirements posted above are more or less true, although I believe it's possible to get in with an ADHD diagnosis if you can show that you have not needed or taken medication for it for some time.

It's all because of the people claiming they are top of class.
So people stared checking the facts.

Look above for fitness test. I'm sure majority of 17 years old kids don't have disease.
Every school is holistic and value leadership very much.

The stats are published and available, so it's not really worth debating. Who said anything about "disease"? Conditions like eczema, childhood asthma, anxiety can prevent admission. I don't think you can be admitted if you take medication. No, every school is not holistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope at least there is no more people claiming that these students are 'top of the class' with this scores anymore

SAT Composite
25th Percentile: 1170
75th Percentile: 1360

Also I would be very impressed with the physical requirements from the special forces types, but not at all for these academies.
Average athletic HS kids would easily pass it.

I’m starting to think this is a troll at work. There’s really no reason to keep disparaging academy students. This is either someone with an axe to grind against academies or somebody who has almost no knowledge about them.

You aren't the first to notice / comment. This person can't stop posting because it is their actual job. Troll farms have some kind of rule where they have to get the last word in or else they lose some pay.

[Anonymous]

Of course it's a troll when you get defeated by the facts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/about/g5/G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

just facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course it's a troll when you get defeated by the facts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/about/g5/G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

just facts.

What again are you trying to prove with your facts? That West Point students are average, correct?

Your own data has been used against you upthread. By me.

You are welcome to put down academies all you want. I doubt anybody is actually offended or believes your “average” argument. Those of us who know West Point grads will continue to be impressed by their achievements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it's a troll when you get defeated by the facts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/about/g5/G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

just facts.

What again are you trying to prove with your facts? That West Point students are average, correct?

Your own data has been used against you upthread. By me.

You are welcome to put down academies all you want. I doubt anybody is actually offended or believes your “average” argument. Those of us who know West Point grads will continue to be impressed by their achievements.

You seem to be afraid of people looking at the facts.

It's just for the people to look at the facts, and get good information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it's a troll when you get defeated by the facts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/about/g5/G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

just facts.

What again are you trying to prove with your facts? That West Point students are average, correct?

Your own data has been used against you upthread. By me.

You are welcome to put down academies all you want. I doubt anybody is actually offended or believes your “average” argument. Those of us who know West Point grads will continue to be impressed by their achievements.

You seem to be afraid of people looking at the facts.

It's just for the people to look at the facts, and get good information.

The facts in your links show the admitted cadets were not average. Do you know what average SAT and ACT scores are? Am I missing something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it's a troll when you get defeated by the facts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/about/g5/G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

just facts.

What again are you trying to prove with your facts? That West Point students are average, correct?

Your own data has been used against you upthread. By me.

You are welcome to put down academies all you want. I doubt anybody is actually offended or believes your “average” argument. Those of us who know West Point grads will continue to be impressed by their achievements.

Fairfax county average SAT in 2019 was 1218.

So by Fairfax county standard, it's fair to say the scores are average
25th Percentile: 1170
75th Percentile: 1360

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it's a troll when you get defeated by the facts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/about/g5/G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

just facts.

What again are you trying to prove with your facts? That West Point students are average, correct?

Your own data has been used against you upthread. By me.

You are welcome to put down academies all you want. I doubt anybody is actually offended or believes your “average” argument. Those of us who know West Point grads will continue to be impressed by their achievements.

Fairfax county average SAT in 2019 was 1218.

So by Fairfax county standard, it's fair to say the scores are average
25th Percentile: 1170
75th Percentile: 1360

especially when people were claiming they were top of the class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it's a troll when you get defeated by the facts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/about/g5/G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

just facts.

What again are you trying to prove with your facts? That West Point students are average, correct?

Your own data has been used against you upthread. By me.

You are welcome to put down academies all you want. I doubt anybody is actually offended or believes your “average” argument. Those of us who know West Point grads will continue to be impressed by their achievements.

Fairfax county average SAT in 2019 was 1218.

So by Fairfax county standard, it's fair to say the scores are average
25th Percentile: 1170
75th Percentile: 1360

Lol. Again demonstrating that you don't know what a true average is. Why would Fairfax Co stats be relevant to a US national average? Did you say anywhere above average only as it relates to Fairfax Co?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it's a troll when you get defeated by the facts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/about/g5/G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

just facts.

What again are you trying to prove with your facts? That West Point students are average, correct?

Your own data has been used against you upthread. By me.

You are welcome to put down academies all you want. I doubt anybody is actually offended or believes your “average” argument. Those of us who know West Point grads will continue to be impressed by their achievements.

Fairfax county average SAT in 2019 was 1218.

So by Fairfax county standard, it's fair to say the scores are average
25th Percentile: 1170
75th Percentile: 1360

Lol. Again demonstrating that you don't know what a true average is. Why would Fairfax Co stats be relevant to a US national average? Did you say anywhere above average only as it relates to Fairfax Co?

LOL this is DCUM forum.
You don't see the relevance?
Duh

[Anonymous]

So facts,

They are certainly not top of the class.

They are average in Fairfax county standard.

Happy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it's a troll when you get defeated by the facts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/about/g5/G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

just facts.

What again are you trying to prove with your facts? That West Point students are average, correct?

Your own data has been used against you upthread. By me.

You are welcome to put down academies all you want. I doubt anybody is actually offended or believes your “average” argument. Those of us who know West Point grads will continue to be impressed by their achievements.

Fairfax county average SAT in 2019 was 1218.

So by Fairfax county standard, it's fair to say the scores are average
25th Percentile: 1170
75th Percentile: 1360

LOL!!!!

Talk about cherry picking! Okay, Let's play that game.

The average SAT in West Virginia is 938. So by WVA standards the scores are extraordinary.

Now go ahead and make list of every county in every U.S. state and you will see that the academies are not admitting the average high school graduate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course it's a troll when you get defeated by the facts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/about/g5/G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

just facts.

What again are you trying to prove with your facts? That West Point students are average, correct?

Your own data has been used against you upthread. By me.

You are welcome to put down academies all you want. I doubt anybody is actually offended or believes your “average” argument. Those of us who know West Point grads will continue to be impressed by their achievements.

Fairfax county average SAT in 2019 was 1218.

So by Fairfax county standard, it's fair to say the scores are average
25th Percentile: 1170
75th Percentile: 1360

LOL!!!!

Talk about cherry picking! Okay, Let's play that game.

The average SAT in West Virginia is 938. So by WVA standards the scores are extraordinary.

Now go ahead and make list of every county in every U.S. state and you will see that the academies are not admitting the average high school graduate.

except that this isn't WVA forum.
This is DC metro forum, thus it's very natural to think in terms of this area's standard.
Don't you have a common sense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So in summary, military academies could be a big bang for the buck when you are academically average, have a physical good enough to play high school sports, and you are fine with military lifestyle and even like it. 
 
Education is free, job security is very good, and it's fairly well respected in the society.
If you are well above the average and stand out, then it's even better.
So it's understandable some kids choosing this path.

35
Academically average = 1000 SAT

Yeah, this thread has devolved into stupidity, as usual. 28-33 ACT is not "average," though not up to par with the 34-36 ACT score expected on DCUM. USMA and the other academies public their class profiles; you can look it up. USMA is not test optional and, last I heard, requires the writing portion of the ACT. Admissions are holistic, with grades and standardized test scores being one factor. Leadership and fitness are other factors. Also, the medical requirements posted above are more or less true, although I believe it's possible to get in with an ADHD diagnosis if you can show that you have not needed or taken medication for it for some time.

It's all because of the people claiming they are top of class.
So people stared checking the facts.

Look above for fitness test. I'm sure majority of 17 years old kids don't have disease.
Every school is holistic and value leadership very much.

Sadly, this isn’t true. Only 1/4 of young adults can pass the minimum requirements - high school graduate, no criminal record, not obese. It’s a national security crisis. Finding high performing students within this small group is even more difficult.

The new Army ACFT is more difficult than the one in the past. To excel in the Army and maximize test scores, 17-21 year old males must deadlift 340lbs, 57 consequential hand release push-ups, plank for 3min40sec, run 2 miles in 13min40sec, and drag a 90lb sled 50 meters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So in summary, military academies could be a big bang for the buck when you are academically average, have a physical good enough to play high school sports, and you are fine with military lifestyle and even like it. 
 
Education is free, job security is very good, and it's fairly well respected in the society.
If you are well above the average and stand out, then it's even better.
So it's understandable some kids choosing this path.

35
Academically average = 1000 SAT

Yeah, this thread has devolved into stupidity, as usual. 28-33 ACT is not "average," though not up to par with the 34-36 ACT score expected on DCUM. USMA and the other academies public their class profiles; you can look it up. USMA is not test optional and, last I heard, requires the writing portion of the ACT. Admissions are holistic, with grades and standardized test scores being one factor. Leadership and fitness are other factors. Also, the medical requirements posted above are more or less true, although I believe it's possible to get in with an ADHD diagnosis if you can show that you have not needed or taken medication for it for some time.

It's all because of the people claiming they are top of class.
So people stared checking the facts.

Look above for fitness test. I'm sure majority of 17 years old kids don't have disease.
Every school is holistic and value leadership very much.

Sadly, this isn’t true. Only 1/4 of young adults can pass the minimum requirements - high school graduate, no criminal record, not obese. It’s a national security crisis. Finding high performing students within this small group is even more difficult.

The new Army ACFT is more difficult than the one in the past. To excel in the Army and maximize test scores, 17-21 year old males must deadlift 340lbs, 57 consequential hand release push-ups, plank for 3min40sec, run 2 miles in 13min40sec, and drag a 90lb sled 50 meters.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

Again, it says it's pass/fail, and give you maximum.
So if you do 60%, you can probably pass.
I'm 50 and I think I can pass.