CES Lottery

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IEP 504 FARMS and ESOL are all positive factors for consideration when applying to these special programs

Please provide a source for this. I really think you are incorrect.

If you have the IEP 504 FARMS and ESOL factor, you are not "Locally Normed". With 85%, you are in the lottery.
If you don't have the above factor, depends, but in a low moderate FARM school, 96% will NOT be in the lottery.
They will adjust points to make it locally normed, and you are not in the lottery anymore. 96 - 12 = 84% percentile


Based on the appeal we filed, we found out you are locally normed but the threshold you need is lower. You don’t need to be in the top 15 percent. You can have a lower percentile locally normed.

Thank you for the input. I simply didn't interpret that way because it is not clarified on the FAX or the letter. I just hope there's more spaces for who wants to challenge themselves and give choices to all.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you for the input. I simply didn't interpret that way because it is not clarified on the FAX or the letter. I just hope there's more spaces for who wants to challenge themselves and give choices to all.

Yes, the national percentiles like 85% are national. They translate those into local percentiles which might equate to 95% at a low FARMS school or 70% at a high FARMS school.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for parents who have kids who didn’t make the lottery but are bright and above grade level in reading. Scores above 89th percentile. Are you worried about not getting elc next year?

The school should be pulling qualified kids in even if they aren't in the lottery. Some schools are going to an ELC-for-all model, so all kids will get it.

So they're raising all students to this higher standard?

Of course not. It’s just a way to ensure that no student’s needs are met. The teachers will spend the whole time trying to get kids below grade level to be able to handle a curriculum that is well above grade level. Way to go, MCPS.

That doesn't make any sense. Demanding a higher standard ensures that more student needs are being met.

Kids who are struggling to even meet grade level standards will not get the skills they need to work on with a curriculum that is exclusively above grade level. Conversely, those who do need enrichment will not get time with the teacher to delve deeply into a challenging curriculum. Everyone loses in the name of “equity.”

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Anonymous wrote:Question for parents who have kids who didn’t make the lottery but are bright and above grade level in reading. Scores above 89th percentile. Are you worried about not getting elc next year?

The school should be pulling qualified kids in even if they aren't in the lottery. Some schools are going to an ELC-for-all model, so all kids will get it.

So they're raising all students to this higher standard?

Of course not. It’s just a way to ensure that no student’s needs are met. The teachers will spend the whole time trying to get kids below grade level to be able to handle a curriculum that is well above grade level. Way to go, MCPS.

That doesn't make any sense. Demanding a higher standard ensures that more student needs are being met.

Kids who are struggling to even meet grade level standards will not get the skills they need to work on with a curriculum that is exclusively above grade level. Conversely, those who do need enrichment will not get time with the teacher to delve deeply into a challenging curriculum. Everyone loses in the name of “equity.”

And many will rise to the occasion making tremendous gains having been challenged.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for parents who have kids who didn’t make the lottery but are bright and above grade level in reading. Scores above 89th percentile. Are you worried about not getting elc next year?

The school should be pulling qualified kids in even if they aren't in the lottery. Some schools are going to an ELC-for-all model, so all kids will get it.

So they're raising all students to this higher standard?

Of course not. It’s just a way to ensure that no student’s needs are met. The teachers will spend the whole time trying to get kids below grade level to be able to handle a curriculum that is well above grade level. Way to go, MCPS.

That doesn't make any sense. Demanding a higher standard ensures that more student needs are being met.

Kids who are struggling to even meet grade level standards will not get the skills they need to work on with a curriculum that is exclusively above grade level. Conversely, those who do need enrichment will not get time with the teacher to delve deeply into a challenging curriculum. Everyone loses in the name of “equity.”

And many will rise to the occasion making tremendous gains having been challenged.

I think implementing an advanced curriculum for everyone so "all ships can rise" is a great idea. The only way for it to be successful is for teachers to have smaller class sizes, more support for all of the 504s and IEPs they have to deal with, and more support with discipline. MCPS has great ideas, BUT the implementation is never quite there.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for parents who have kids who didn’t make the lottery but are bright and above grade level in reading. Scores above 89th percentile. Are you worried about not getting elc next year?

The school should be pulling qualified kids in even if they aren't in the lottery. Some schools are going to an ELC-for-all model, so all kids will get it.

So they're raising all students to this higher standard?

Of course not. It’s just a way to ensure that no student’s needs are met. The teachers will spend the whole time trying to get kids below grade level to be able to handle a curriculum that is well above grade level. Way to go, MCPS.

That doesn't make any sense. Demanding a higher standard ensures that more student needs are being met.

Kids who are struggling to even meet grade level standards will not get the skills they need to work on with a curriculum that is exclusively above grade level. Conversely, those who do need enrichment will not get time with the teacher to delve deeply into a challenging curriculum. Everyone loses in the name of “equity.”

And many will rise to the occasion making tremendous gains having been challenged.

I think implementing an advanced curriculum for everyone so "all ships can rise" is a great idea. The only way for it to be successful is for teachers to have smaller class sizes, more support for all of the 504s and IEPs they have to deal with, and more support with discipline. MCPS has great ideas, BUT the implementation is never quite there.

I'm all for providing everyone access to these options but I also feel not everyone wants this, which is something to consider.

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We just got this letter the other day saying we had been accepted. We are currently in private parochial school, so this was a bit of a surprise. Can anyone speak to whether this is a good program? Our child routinely scores in the 98-99th percentiles in MAP testing.

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Anonymous wrote:We just got this letter the other day saying we had been accepted. We are currently in private parochial school, so this was a bit of a surprise. Can anyone speak to whether this is a good program? Our child routinely scores in the 98-99th percentiles in MAP testing.

PP here. fwiw, we were accepted to Barnsley.

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Anonymous wrote:We just got this letter the other day saying we had been accepted. We are currently in private parochial school, so this was a bit of a surprise. Can anyone speak to whether this is a good program? Our child routinely scores in the 98-99th percentiles in MAP testing.

Why surprised? I thought families in private schools had to apply to be considered for the CES lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:We just got this letter the other day saying we had been accepted. We are currently in private parochial school, so this was a bit of a surprise. Can anyone speak to whether this is a good program? Our child routinely scores in the 98-99th percentiles in MAP testing.

It was an excellent program for my kids but could vary by school. For example, our 4th grade CES teacher assigned a lot of work. The 5th grade got it all done in class. The kids learned a lot from both. The ELA curriculum is better than Advanced English in MS. They read about a book a month and wrote papers ranging from 3 to 10 pages. There were lots of unique and memorable projects. You may want to ask about experiences at a specific enter.

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Anonymous wrote:We just got this letter the other day saying we had been accepted. We are currently in private parochial school, so this was a bit of a surprise. Can anyone speak to whether this is a good program? Our child routinely scores in the 98-99th percentiles in MAP testing.

It was an excellent program for my kids but could vary by school. For example, our 4th grade CES teacher assigned a lot of work. The 5th grade got it all done in class. The kids learned a lot from both. The ELA curriculum is better than Advanced English in MS. They read about a book a month and wrote papers ranging from 3 to 10 pages. There were lots of unique and memorable projects. You may want to ask about experiences at a specific enter.

Thank you. Very helpful!!

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Anonymous wrote:Question for parents who have kids who didn’t make the lottery but are bright and above grade level in reading. Scores above 89th percentile. Are you worried about not getting elc next year?

The school should be pulling qualified kids in even if they aren't in the lottery. Some schools are going to an ELC-for-all model, so all kids will get it.

So they're raising all students to this higher standard?

Of course not. It’s just a way to ensure that no student’s needs are met. The teachers will spend the whole time trying to get kids below grade level to be able to handle a curriculum that is well above grade level. Way to go, MCPS.

That doesn't make any sense. Demanding a higher standard ensures that more student needs are being met.

Kids who are struggling to even meet grade level standards will not get the skills they need to work on with a curriculum that is exclusively above grade level. Conversely, those who do need enrichment will not get time with the teacher to delve deeply into a challenging curriculum. Everyone loses in the name of “equity.”

And many will rise to the occasion making tremendous gains having been challenged.

There current model of putting all abilities in the same class is not working. The teacher spends most of the time helping the lower performing and IEP students, and the other students are not learning much. Why would this change if they make the curriculum more challenging?

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Anonymous wrote:Question for parents who have kids who didn’t make the lottery but are bright and above grade level in reading. Scores above 89th percentile. Are you worried about not getting elc next year?

The school should be pulling qualified kids in even if they aren't in the lottery. Some schools are going to an ELC-for-all model, so all kids will get it.

So they're raising all students to this higher standard?

Of course not. It’s just a way to ensure that no student’s needs are met. The teachers will spend the whole time trying to get kids below grade level to be able to handle a curriculum that is well above grade level. Way to go, MCPS.

That doesn't make any sense. Demanding a higher standard ensures that more student needs are being met.

Kids who are struggling to even meet grade level standards will not get the skills they need to work on with a curriculum that is exclusively above grade level. Conversely, those who do need enrichment will not get time with the teacher to delve deeply into a challenging curriculum. Everyone loses in the name of “equity.”

And many will rise to the occasion making tremendous gains having been challenged.

There current model of putting all abilities in the same class is not working. The teacher spends most of the time helping the lower performing and IEP students, and the other students are not learning much. Why would this change if they make the curriculum more challenging?

Yes, that's exactly why honors for all is such a great thing because it raises everyone up whereas the older method was bringing everyone down.

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Anonymous wrote:So you think kids who didn’t get in the lottery have a chance to get elc? My kid had a higher score in the fall but his score fell on the winter map. He would have been placed in the lottery based on the fall score. It seems like bad luck, if his scores were reversed he would qualify!

Are you sure? I understood they look at the highest of the last two MAP scores.

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Anonymous wrote:We just got this letter the other day saying we had been accepted. We are currently in private parochial school, so this was a bit of a surprise. Can anyone speak to whether this is a good program? Our child routinely scores in the 98-99th percentiles in MAP testing.

Why surprised? I thought families in private schools had to apply to be considered for the CES lottery.

They do, so they must have applied.