Athletic Ivy

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Anonymous wrote:In some sports at harvard the athletes are dominated by international students. So its not even American athletes getting the boost.

Correct.

The odds of American kids being athletically recruited to Ivies for niche sports such as fencing, squash, field hockey,etc… are slim because of this.

The Ivy League schools are actually competing for titles in these non-revenue sports. Shouldn't they try to field the best teams they can regardless of where a student was born? Those international students are adding different perspectives to the class and a sought after talent rather than the schools admitting just another suburban DMV kid (who even on the high end are pretty much a dime a dozen).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Want a school filled with robotics team kids? Go to Caltech. That's the beauty of the marketplace.

Plenty of these athletic recruits and lots of other admits would get eaten alive at Caltech, MIT, etc. Unless you are a champion brainiac you will be crushed.

Nearly all Ivy students, athletes or not, could not hack it at MIT or CalTech. Those schools are for the truly brilliant, unlike the Ivies.

This makes no sense. Many MIT/ CT admits from our school have some Ivy admits as well. Of course, they can handle either.

MIT is also a very big D3 sports school. They actively recruit and field 30+ sports (including football). Big donors there have cared a lot about sports too (see the Koch brothers).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In some sports at harvard the athletes are dominated by international students. So its not even American athletes getting the boost.

Correct.

The odds of American kids being athletically recruited to Ivies for niche sports such as fencing, squash, field hockey,etc… are slim because of this.

Harvard Rosters
Men's squash: 8 foreign 4 US
Women's squash: 5 foreign 9 US
Men's fencing: 1 foreign 13 US
Women's fencing: 0 foreign 15 US
Field hockey: 13 foreign 13 US

Doesn't look like the odds are too bad for US students in niche sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In some sports at harvard the athletes are dominated by international students. So its not even American athletes getting the boost.

Correct.

The odds of American kids being athletically recruited to Ivies for niche sports such as fencing, squash, field hockey,etc… are slim because of this.

Harvard Rosters
Men's squash: 8 foreign 4 US
Women's squash: 5 foreign 9 US
Men's fencing: 1 foreign 13 US
Women's fencing: 0 foreign 15 US
Field hockey: 13 foreign 13 US

Doesn't look like the odds are too bad for US students in niche sports.

Asian dominates Harvard men golf roster, six out of eight: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/quote/135/23775590.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In some sports at harvard the athletes are dominated by international students. So its not even American athletes getting the boost.

Correct.

The odds of American kids being athletically recruited to Ivies for niche sports such as fencing, squash, field hockey,etc… are slim because of this.

Harvard Rosters
Men's squash: 8 foreign 4 US
Women's squash: 5 foreign 9 US
Men's fencing: 1 foreign 13 US
Women's fencing: 0 foreign 15 US
Field hockey: 13 foreign 13 US

Doesn't look like the odds are too bad for US students in niche sports.

Asian dominates Harvard men golf roster, six out of eight: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/quote/135/23775590.page

you want to take a closer look at that golf roster and clarify your statement?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:you want to take a closer look at that golf roster and clarify your statement?

You can see it here: https://gocrimson.com/sports/mens-golf/roster

[Anonymous]

“Asian dominates Harvard men golf roster”

Lots of Asian-Americans on the fencing and squash rosters, contrary to the racist preconception that Asian Americans are not athletic and don’t have interesting extracurriculars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:you want to take a closer look at that golf roster and clarify your statement?

You can see it here: https://gocrimson.com/sports/mens-golf/roster

the point is how many are US and how many are international. Most of the Asian men on that roster are from the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Asian dominates Harvard men golf roster”

Lots of Asian-Americans on the fencing and squash rosters, contrary to the racist preconception that Asian Americans are not athletic and don’t have interesting extracurriculars.

the racist preconception is that if they are Asian they are not from the US and must be international.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Asian dominates Harvard men golf roster”

Lots of Asian-Americans on the fencing and squash rosters, contrary to the racist preconception that Asian Americans are not athletic and don’t have interesting extracurriculars.

the racist preconception is that if they are Asian they are not from the US and must be international.

Well that wasn't me, when I looked at the Harvard rosters I checked which ones were from the US and indeed most of the Asians were from the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Want a school filled with robotics team kids? Go to Caltech. That's the beauty of the marketplace.

Plenty of these athletic recruits and lots of other admits would get eaten alive at Caltech, MIT, etc. Unless you are a champion brainiac you will be crushed.

Nearly all Ivy students, athletes or not, could not hack it at MIT or CalTech. Those schools are for the truly brilliant, unlike the Ivies.

This makes no sense. Many MIT/ CT admits from our school have some Ivy admits as well. Of course, they can handle either.

MIT is also a very big D3 sports school. They actively recruit and field 30+ sports (including football). Big donors there have cared a lot about sports too (see the Koch brothers).

Their coaches don't have nearly the pull that those at Ivies have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In some sports at harvard the athletes are dominated by international students. So its not even American athletes getting the boost.

Correct.

The odds of American kids being athletically recruited to Ivies for niche sports such as fencing, squash, field hockey,etc… are slim because of this.

Harvard Rosters
Men's squash: 8 foreign 4 US
Women's squash: 5 foreign 9 US
Men's fencing: 1 foreign 13 US
Women's fencing: 0 foreign 15 US
Field hockey: 13 foreign 13 US

Doesn't look like the odds are too bad for US students in niche sports.

Field hockey is the second-most played sport in the world. Hardly a “niche” sport. At the D1 level American players are definitely competing with Europeans. Even if the roster isn’t majority Netherlands players, they dominate the NCAA.

[Anonymous]

Is Harvard even good at any sport besides men’s tennis and that is just recent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In some sports at harvard the athletes are dominated by international students. So its not even American athletes getting the boost.

Correct.

The odds of American kids being athletically recruited to Ivies for niche sports such as fencing, squash, field hockey,etc… are slim because of this.

Harvard Rosters
Men's squash: 8 foreign 4 US
Women's squash: 5 foreign 9 US
Men's fencing: 1 foreign 13 US
Women's fencing: 0 foreign 15 US
Field hockey: 13 foreign 13 US

Doesn't look like the odds are too bad for US students in niche sports.

Field hockey is the second-most played sport in the world. Hardly a “niche” sport. At the D1 level American players are definitely competing with Europeans. Even if the roster isn’t majority Netherlands players, they dominate the NCAA.

Meh. It’s a niche sport at US colleges, which is what we’re talking about here. 263 teams, maybe 5,500 athletes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In some sports at harvard the athletes are dominated by international students. So its not even American athletes getting the boost.

Correct.

The odds of American kids being athletically recruited to Ivies for niche sports such as fencing, squash, field hockey,etc… are slim because of this.

Harvard Rosters
Men's squash: 8 foreign 4 US
Women's squash: 5 foreign 9 US
Men's fencing: 1 foreign 13 US
Women's fencing: 0 foreign 15 US
Field hockey: 13 foreign 13 US

Doesn't look like the odds are too bad for US students in niche sports.

Asian dominates Harvard men golf roster, six out of eight: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/quote/135/23775590.page

I’m all for international athletes making these sports better and more competitive but these results show that the number of roster spots that kids from this country can fill are lower than what might be otherwise expected. This makes athletic recruiting even more difficult for many of these sports.