Serving alcohol at teen party

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Anonymous wrote:It’s incomprehensible.

The potential legal liability alone…

If that were statistically relevant, it would make the news often.

But it doesn’t.

Unfortunatley it only makes the news when someone is killed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/teen-driver-in-deadly-maryland-crash-pleads-guilty/2016/04/08/05c297be-fda2-11e5-9140-e61d062438bb_story.html

The Wootton case has focused sharp attention on teen drinking parties and a parent culture that appears to condone them. A bill advancing in Annapolis would increase penalties, including jail time, for adults who host such parties. Lawmakers were expected to take it up Saturday.

Kenneth Saltzman, the father of the teenager who hosted the party preceding the crash, pleaded guilty to two criminal citations for allowing underage drinking at his home and was ordered to pay a $5,000 fine, the maximum.

The liquor lobby fights fiercely against any consequences for adults who provide alcohol to children. What has David Trone done about this?

The father was ordered to pay $5000? For two young lives lost. This is awful. It's important to start turning these people in before the tragedies occur. We shouldn't tolerate such poor decisions.

Agree it’s outrageous that Saltzman was ordered to pay $5k. He took the initiative to facilitate what kids will do anyway, while MoCo like so many other places just bans kids from bars and liquor stores and thinks just saying no is enough.

When you just tell your kid don’t drink, think about what that means. Who are the kids who don’t drink? I’ll tell you. The boys playing D&D on Saturday night because they can’t get dates. The girls still doing Girl Scouts senior year because they can’t dream of doing competitive cheer or joining a sorority. That’s who you leave for your kid to “befriend” if you force them to say no ANYTIME there’s alcohol around.

Just like college. Just like law school. Just like the firm. You have to learn how to get along, and you start learning that as kids. Unfortunately in scapegoating Mr. Saltzman the rest of MoCo blows off their responsibility to make their kids work hard, play hard and succeed hard.

OMG. Is this written by a southern cheer mom (nerd) living vicariously through her daughter? LOL Signed former varsity athlete and sorority member.

It's so weirdly specific right?

It can't be anyone from the DMV. Competitive cheer is just not a thing that carries any social cache in this area. In fact, probably the opposite.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't/wouldn't serve alcohol to teens. Ever.

I know many do it, and I disagree with the practice, even though I drink on a regular basis as an adult (responsibly).

Why do parents do this?

According to my BIL, they are going to do it anyways, so he wants to provide a safe place for them to drink, and to build tolerance before college.

This is the line of thinking you will hear. These people tell themselves if teens don't drink in high school they will get to college and go completely off the rails because they "don't know how to drink". It is the stupidest logic ever. Someone just said this to me last week. I said I didn't drink in high school and drank in college and was completely fine.

Is very dumb and illegal in VA at least to supply them the alcohol. You can give it to your own kids legally but not other people's kids. God forbid anything truly terrible happen too.

Anecdote does not equal data.

Research shows that teens that have been exposed to normal drinking prior to college are less likely to have an alcohol related ER visit.

Just because you don't drink, doesn't mean all of the studies that show this to be true isn't accurate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't/wouldn't serve alcohol to teens. Ever.

I know many do it, and I disagree with the practice, even though I drink on a regular basis as an adult (responsibly).

Why do parents do this?

According to my BIL, they are going to do it anyways, so he wants to provide a safe place for them to drink, and to build tolerance before college.

That is just dumb. The longer a teen waits to start drinking, the better for their brain. Plus the parents can get sued and lose their home if anything happens.

The parents can also go to prison.

Lawyer here - you mean jail (not prison) and considering the over crowding situation, no parent is going to prison or jail for having a bunch of teens drinking at a party.

You are so cute.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s incomprehensible.

The potential legal liability alone…

If that were statistically relevant, it would make the news often.

But it doesn’t.

Unfortunatley it only makes the news when someone is killed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/teen-driver-in-deadly-maryland-crash-pleads-guilty/2016/04/08/05c297be-fda2-11e5-9140-e61d062438bb_story.html

The Wootton case has focused sharp attention on teen drinking parties and a parent culture that appears to condone them. A bill advancing in Annapolis would increase penalties, including jail time, for adults who host such parties. Lawmakers were expected to take it up Saturday.

Kenneth Saltzman, the father of the teenager who hosted the party preceding the crash, pleaded guilty to two criminal citations for allowing underage drinking at his home and was ordered to pay a $5,000 fine, the maximum.

The liquor lobby fights fiercely against any consequences for adults who provide alcohol to children. What has David Trone done about this?

The father was ordered to pay $5000? For two young lives lost. This is awful. It's important to start turning these people in before the tragedies occur. We shouldn't tolerate such poor decisions.

Agree it’s outrageous that Saltzman was ordered to pay $5k. He took the initiative to facilitate what kids will do anyway, while MoCo like so many other places just bans kids from bars and liquor stores and thinks just saying no is enough.

When you just tell your kid don’t drink, think about what that means. Who are the kids who don’t drink? I’ll tell you. The boys playing D&D on Saturday night because they can’t get dates. The girls still doing Girl Scouts senior year because they can’t dream of doing competitive cheer or joining a sorority. That’s who you leave for your kid to “befriend” if you force them to say no ANYTIME there’s alcohol around.

Just like college. Just like law school. Just like the firm. You have to learn how to get along, and you start learning that as kids. Unfortunately in scapegoating Mr. Saltzman the rest of MoCo blows off their responsibility to make their kids work hard, play hard and succeed hard.

Why do we let people from Mississippi on this site? Competitive cheer? Seriously? And the only boys I know that play D&D are the popular student athletes. And WTF makes fun of Girl Scouts?

Competitive cheer...haha, loser.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't/wouldn't serve alcohol to teens. Ever.

I know many do it, and I disagree with the practice, even though I drink on a regular basis as an adult (responsibly).

Why do parents do this?

According to my BIL, they are going to do it anyways, so he wants to provide a safe place for them to drink, and to build tolerance before college.

This is the line of thinking you will hear. These people tell themselves if teens don't drink in high school they will get to college and go completely off the rails because they "don't know how to drink". It is the stupidest logic ever. Someone just said this to me last week. I said I didn't drink in high school and drank in college and was completely fine.

Is very dumb and illegal in VA at least to supply them the alcohol. You can give it to your own kids legally but not other people's kids. God forbid anything truly terrible happen too.

Anecdote does not equal data.

Research shows that teens that have been exposed to normal drinking prior to college are less likely to have an alcohol related ER visit.

Just because you don't drink, doesn't mean all of the studies that show this to be true isn't accurate.

Link this research, please.

[Anonymous]

This happened a couple years ago and the parents were sent to the slammer. A kid fell into a pool, drunk, and drowned. NO THANKS. Not taking the risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This happened a couple years ago and the parents were sent to the slammer. A kid fell into a pool, drunk, and drowned. NO THANKS. Not taking the risk.

Yes, there are also tons of stories along this line, where the parents served alcohol and kids die or kill others in DUI incidents afterwards. I can't believe all the horrible parents out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't/wouldn't serve alcohol to teens. Ever.

I know many do it, and I disagree with the practice, even though I drink on a regular basis as an adult (responsibly).

Why do parents do this?

According to my BIL, they are going to do it anyways, so he wants to provide a safe place for them to drink, and to build tolerance before college.

This is the line of thinking you will hear. These people tell themselves if teens don't drink in high school they will get to college and go completely off the rails because they "don't know how to drink". It is the stupidest logic ever. Someone just said this to me last week. I said I didn't drink in high school and drank in college and was completely fine.

Is very dumb and illegal in VA at least to supply them the alcohol. You can give it to your own kids legally but not other people's kids. God forbid anything truly terrible happen too.

Anecdote does not equal data.

Research shows that teens that have been exposed to normal drinking prior to college are less likely to have an alcohol related ER visit.

Just because you don't drink, doesn't mean all of the studies that show this to be true isn't accurate.

Link this research, please.

I'm interested to know where PP is getting their information, too.

My understanding of the research is different: "Parental expectations of adolescent alcohol use significantly moderated all structural relationships, and greater parental disapproval was associated with less involvement with friends and peers who use alcohol, less peer influence to use alcohol, greater self-efficacy for avoiding alcohol use, and lower subsequent alcohol use and related problems."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15963903/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't/wouldn't serve alcohol to teens. Ever.

I know many do it, and I disagree with the practice, even though I drink on a regular basis as an adult (responsibly).

Why do parents do this?

According to my BIL, they are going to do it anyways, so he wants to provide a safe place for them to drink, and to build tolerance before college.

This is the line of thinking you will hear. These people tell themselves if teens don't drink in high school they will get to college and go completely off the rails because they "don't know how to drink". It is the stupidest logic ever. Someone just said this to me last week. I said I didn't drink in high school and drank in college and was completely fine.

Is very dumb and illegal in VA at least to supply them the alcohol. You can give it to your own kids legally but not other people's kids. God forbid anything truly terrible happen too.

Anecdote does not equal data.

Research shows that teens that have been exposed to normal drinking prior to college are less likely to have an alcohol related ER visit.

Just because you don't drink, doesn't mean all of the studies that show this to be true isn't accurate.

Link this research, please.

I'm interested to know where PP is getting their information, too.

My understanding of the research is different: "Parental expectations of adolescent alcohol use significantly moderated all structural relationships, and greater parental disapproval was associated with less involvement with friends and peers who use alcohol, less peer influence to use alcohol, greater self-efficacy for avoiding alcohol use, and lower subsequent alcohol use and related problems."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15963903/

PP is making things up. There is SO much research showing that the younger people start drinking, the more likely they are to have problems with alcohol later in life.

Moreover, there is no such thing as "normal" drinking for a teenager.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s incomprehensible.

The potential legal liability alone…

If that were statistically relevant, it would make the news often.

But it doesn’t.

Unfortunatley it only makes the news when someone is killed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/teen-driver-in-deadly-maryland-crash-pleads-guilty/2016/04/08/05c297be-fda2-11e5-9140-e61d062438bb_story.html

The Wootton case has focused sharp attention on teen drinking parties and a parent culture that appears to condone them. A bill advancing in Annapolis would increase penalties, including jail time, for adults who host such parties. Lawmakers were expected to take it up Saturday.

Kenneth Saltzman, the father of the teenager who hosted the party preceding the crash, pleaded guilty to two criminal citations for allowing underage drinking at his home and was ordered to pay a $5,000 fine, the maximum.

The liquor lobby fights fiercely against any consequences for adults who provide alcohol to children. What has David Trone done about this?

The father was ordered to pay $5000? For two young lives lost. This is awful. It's important to start turning these people in before the tragedies occur. We shouldn't tolerate such poor decisions.

Agree it’s outrageous that Saltzman was ordered to pay $5k. He took the initiative to facilitate what kids will do anyway, while MoCo like so many other places just bans kids from bars and liquor stores and thinks just saying no is enough.

When you just tell your kid don’t drink, think about what that means. Who are the kids who don’t drink? I’ll tell you. The boys playing D&D on Saturday night because they can’t get dates. The girls still doing Girl Scouts senior year because they can’t dream of doing competitive cheer or joining a sorority. That’s who you leave for your kid to “befriend” if you force them to say no ANYTIME there’s alcohol around.

Just like college. Just like law school. Just like the firm. You have to learn how to get along, and you start learning that as kids. Unfortunately in scapegoating Mr. Saltzman the rest of MoCo blows off their responsibility to make their kids work hard, play hard and succeed hard.

I’d rather my kids play D&D or scout than join a sorority. If they had been interested in competitive cheer, I would have supported it, but I’m just as happy they weren’t.

Work hard - They were magnet students, I struggled to get them to work less.
Succeed hard - I want them to find the success that makes them happy (as long as it’s honorable and they’re self-sufficient). I am not worried about their success.
Play hard - I want them to do what makes them happy, and have friends with common interests who care about them. Drinking to fit in with the popular kids may be hard, but it doesn’t sound like play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s incomprehensible.

The potential legal liability alone…

If that were statistically relevant, it would make the news often.

But it doesn’t.

Unfortunatley it only makes the news when someone is killed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/teen-driver-in-deadly-maryland-crash-pleads-guilty/2016/04/08/05c297be-fda2-11e5-9140-e61d062438bb_story.html

The Wootton case has focused sharp attention on teen drinking parties and a parent culture that appears to condone them. A bill advancing in Annapolis would increase penalties, including jail time, for adults who host such parties. Lawmakers were expected to take it up Saturday.

Kenneth Saltzman, the father of the teenager who hosted the party preceding the crash, pleaded guilty to two criminal citations for allowing underage drinking at his home and was ordered to pay a $5,000 fine, the maximum.

The liquor lobby fights fiercely against any consequences for adults who provide alcohol to children. What has David Trone done about this?

The father was ordered to pay $5000? For two young lives lost. This is awful. It's important to start turning these people in before the tragedies occur. We shouldn't tolerate such poor decisions.

Agree it’s outrageous that Saltzman was ordered to pay $5k. He took the initiative to facilitate what kids will do anyway, while MoCo like so many other places just bans kids from bars and liquor stores and thinks just saying no is enough.

When you just tell your kid don’t drink, think about what that means. Who are the kids who don’t drink? I’ll tell you. The boys playing D&D on Saturday night because they can’t get dates. The girls still doing Girl Scouts senior year because they can’t dream of doing competitive cheer or joining a sorority. That’s who you leave for your kid to “befriend” if you force them to say no ANYTIME there’s alcohol around.

Just like college. Just like law school. Just like the firm. You have to learn how to get along, and you start learning that as kids. Unfortunately in scapegoating Mr. Saltzman the rest of MoCo blows off their responsibility to make their kids work hard, play hard and succeed hard.

OH DEAR JESUS GOD NO!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s incomprehensible.

The potential legal liability alone…

If that were statistically relevant, it would make the news often.

But it doesn’t.

Unfortunatley it only makes the news when someone is killed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/teen-driver-in-deadly-maryland-crash-pleads-guilty/2016/04/08/05c297be-fda2-11e5-9140-e61d062438bb_story.html

The Wootton case has focused sharp attention on teen drinking parties and a parent culture that appears to condone them. A bill advancing in Annapolis would increase penalties, including jail time, for adults who host such parties. Lawmakers were expected to take it up Saturday.

Kenneth Saltzman, the father of the teenager who hosted the party preceding the crash, pleaded guilty to two criminal citations for allowing underage drinking at his home and was ordered to pay a $5,000 fine, the maximum.

The liquor lobby fights fiercely against any consequences for adults who provide alcohol to children. What has David Trone done about this?

The father was ordered to pay $5000? For two young lives lost. This is awful. It's important to start turning these people in before the tragedies occur. We shouldn't tolerate such poor decisions.

Agree it’s outrageous that Saltzman was ordered to pay $5k. He took the initiative to facilitate what kids will do anyway, while MoCo like so many other places just bans kids from bars and liquor stores and thinks just saying no is enough.

When you just tell your kid don’t drink, think about what that means. Who are the kids who don’t drink? I’ll tell you. The boys playing D&D on Saturday night because they can’t get dates. The girls still doing Girl Scouts senior year because they can’t dream of doing competitive cheer or joining a sorority. That’s who you leave for your kid to “befriend” if you force them to say no ANYTIME there’s alcohol around.

Just like college. Just like law school. Just like the firm. You have to learn how to get along, and you start learning that as kids. Unfortunately in scapegoating Mr. Saltzman the rest of MoCo blows off their responsibility to make their kids work hard, play hard and succeed hard.

You're an awful human being.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't/wouldn't serve alcohol to teens. Ever.

I know many do it, and I disagree with the practice, even though I drink on a regular basis as an adult (responsibly).

Why do parents do this?

According to my BIL, they are going to do it anyways, so he wants to provide a safe place for them to drink, and to build tolerance before college.

This is the line of thinking you will hear. These people tell themselves if teens don't drink in high school they will get to college and go completely off the rails because they "don't know how to drink". It is the stupidest logic ever. Someone just said this to me last week. I said I didn't drink in high school and drank in college and was completely fine.

Is very dumb and illegal in VA at least to supply them the alcohol. You can give it to your own kids legally but not other people's kids. God forbid anything truly terrible happen too.

Anecdote does not equal data.

Research shows that teens that have been exposed to normal drinking prior to college are less likely to have an alcohol related ER visit.

Just because you don't drink, doesn't mean all of the studies that show this to be true isn't accurate.

Research shows that "Persons who begin drinking in their teens have a higher risk of developing substance use disorder when compared to those who begin drinking at 21 or later. Delaying onset of first use is critical to minimizing the risks of developing substance use disorder."
https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/UnderageDrinking/UnderageFact.htm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This happened a couple years ago and the parents were sent to the slammer. A kid fell into a pool, drunk, and drowned. NO THANKS. Not taking the risk.

Never happened. You heard that from Ruthie down the street.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are some bad parents out there with poor self-esteem. They feel an unhealthy need to be popular with the teenage crowd. Pathetic.

I agree. I know a parent that prepared her house and left for the evening so her kid could have a big party. She has cameras in the house and was watching from another location. Over a hundred kids showed up, cars lined her street. She thought it was great that her kid was now popular. In reality, the kid isn’t. The other kids just wanted a place to party, and that’s what they got.

Remember in high school the big parties were always thrown by the wannabes?