My 2nd grader’s teacher intends to mask all year

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Anonymous wrote:And, how is this an issue? Its better they mask vs. be out for a week or two sick and make their family sick. If your child has a speech disorder, get them private therapy and an IEP. MCPS is offering free tutoring again this year so take advantage of it.

Its none of your business why they choose to mask. But, good for them.

How could it NOT be an issue?? All the other 2nd grade teachers were unmasked at open house today… I felt a bit jealous.

This is so entitled.

Agree 100%. So entitled and selfish.

How so? Some kids just end up losing the lottery by getting masked teachers?

Losing the lottery? What is wrong with you?

Yes, losing the teacher lottery. Listening to somebody through a mask, with muffled voice and no chance for associated lip reading, is tiresome.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no clear evidence that masks impact children’s speech or social skills. It’s just something that gets repeated because anti-maskers need a justification.

False. There is PLENTIFUL research on the impact of masks on communication; and pre-existing research on the role of faces and learning social skills/emotions/language. Beyond that, masks are an invasive intervention. It's just not true that you can mandate any intervention as long as there is not "clear evidence" against it. (Or whatever evidentiary standard you're using; it's a moving goal post.) Likewise claim that "blind kids learn to speak just fine, masks are not a problem!" is false. It's well known that visually impaired kids need specialized instruction for acquiring language and social skills because of the missing nonverbal cues.

I'm not even going to post the research here because there's so much. Anyone who is interested can search on Google Scholar.

Link to ONE peer reviewed study or article that says masking at school/daycare causes or worsens speech development. ASHA has clearly said there is no evidence that masking delays or prevents speech development. Parents do not mask at home with their children and that is where the majority of their language is acquired.

This is true, there is no evidence whatsoever that masks harms speech.

this PP is really giving me 2021 “you just hate spending time with your kids that’s why you want schools open” vibes.

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Anonymous wrote:His 1st grade teacher masked all year too. He has a speech delay and is behind in reading. His teacher said she is immunocompromised and plans to mask all year and maybe beyond “just to be safe”. I get it from the teacher’s perspective. But my perspective is valid too. I feel stuck.

What did you do this summer to address the speech delay and reading level?

The teacher has the right to mask. I would ask to switch, but ultimately it is your responsibility to address the issues. Be prepared to work with your child at home and if the school can't make the switch.

OP refuses to answer this but its also surprising they are calling it a delay in 2nd grade which makes me question what is really going on. Once you hit ES, it turns into a disorder, not a delay.

This parent sounds in denial that their child has more serious special needs, needs a full educational and language evaluation and private services. MCPS pays for reading tutors, so cost cannot be an excuse.

If it is a disorder then even more crucial to get an unmasked teacher.

No, if its a language disorder, its crucial that OP supplement outside school and this child needs 2-4 day a week private speech therapy. Plus reading supports.

No, it's even more crucial that the child spend the majority of their hours in an appropriate, speech-rich environment. Which means, not masked.

Cite that. I suppose the blind cannot learn to speak.

Do you actually think that’s a persuasive argument?

1. Blind children typically get intensive speech early intervention specifically because the lack of nonverbal cues can delay speech
2. Forgive me if I don’t think it’s acceptable policy to just say “hey, blind kids talk - so no worries about deliberately creating impediments for nonverbal communication in sighted kids!”

It's basically saying if you get a masked teacher, you just need to learn like the blind do.

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Anonymous wrote:His 1st grade teacher masked all year too. He has a speech delay and is behind in reading. His teacher said she is immunocompromised and plans to mask all year and maybe beyond “just to be safe”. I get it from the teacher’s perspective. But my perspective is valid too. I feel stuck.

What did you do this summer to address the speech delay and reading level?

The teacher has the right to mask. I would ask to switch, but ultimately it is your responsibility to address the issues. Be prepared to work with your child at home and if the school can't make the switch.

OP refuses to answer this but its also surprising they are calling it a delay in 2nd grade which makes me question what is really going on. Once you hit ES, it turns into a disorder, not a delay.

This parent sounds in denial that their child has more serious special needs, needs a full educational and language evaluation and private services. MCPS pays for reading tutors, so cost cannot be an excuse.

If it is a disorder then even more crucial to get an unmasked teacher.

No, if its a language disorder, its crucial that OP supplement outside school and this child needs 2-4 day a week private speech therapy. Plus reading supports.

No, it's even more crucial that the child spend the majority of their hours in an appropriate, speech-rich environment. Which means, not masked.

Cite that. I suppose the blind cannot learn to speak.

Do you actually think that’s a persuasive argument?

1. Blind children typically get intensive speech early intervention specifically because the lack of nonverbal cues can delay speech
2. Forgive me if I don’t think it’s acceptable policy to just say “hey, blind kids talk - so no worries about deliberately creating impediments for nonverbal communication in sighted kids!”

It's basically saying if you get a masked teacher, you just need to learn like the blind do.

So all kids with a masked teacher get IEPs? Ok then!

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Anonymous wrote:There is no clear evidence that masks impact children’s speech or social skills. It’s just something that gets repeated because anti-maskers need a justification.

False. There is PLENTIFUL research on the impact of masks on communication; and pre-existing research on the role of faces and learning social skills/emotions/language. Beyond that, masks are an invasive intervention. It's just not true that you can mandate any intervention as long as there is not "clear evidence" against it. (Or whatever evidentiary standard you're using; it's a moving goal post.) Likewise claim that "blind kids learn to speak just fine, masks are not a problem!" is false. It's well known that visually impaired kids need specialized instruction for acquiring language and social skills because of the missing nonverbal cues.

I'm not even going to post the research here because there's so much. Anyone who is interested can search on Google Scholar.

Link to ONE peer reviewed study or article that says masking at school/daycare causes or worsens speech development. ASHA has clearly said there is no evidence that masking delays or prevents speech development. Parents do not mask at home with their children and that is where the majority of their language is acquired.

This is true, there is no evidence whatsoever that masks harms speech.

Nope, just common sense, which ASHA, the teachers' unions that advocated for eliminating mask mandates, and parents with children with speech and social delays all understand

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Anonymous wrote:His 1st grade teacher masked all year too. He has a speech delay and is behind in reading. His teacher said she is immunocompromised and plans to mask all year and maybe beyond “just to be safe”. I get it from the teacher’s perspective. But my perspective is valid too. I feel stuck.

What did you do this summer to address the speech delay and reading level?

The teacher has the right to mask. I would ask to switch, but ultimately it is your responsibility to address the issues. Be prepared to work with your child at home and if the school can't make the switch.

OP refuses to answer this but its also surprising they are calling it a delay in 2nd grade which makes me question what is really going on. Once you hit ES, it turns into a disorder, not a delay.

This parent sounds in denial that their child has more serious special needs, needs a full educational and language evaluation and private services. MCPS pays for reading tutors, so cost cannot be an excuse.

If it is a disorder then even more crucial to get an unmasked teacher.

No, if its a language disorder, its crucial that OP supplement outside school and this child needs 2-4 day a week private speech therapy. Plus reading supports.

No, it's even more crucial that the child spend the majority of their hours in an appropriate, speech-rich environment. Which means, not masked.

Cite that. I suppose the blind cannot learn to speak.

Do you actually think that’s a persuasive argument?

1. Blind children typically get intensive speech early intervention specifically because the lack of nonverbal cues can delay speech
2. Forgive me if I don’t think it’s acceptable policy to just say “hey, blind kids talk - so no worries about deliberately creating impediments for nonverbal communication in sighted kids!”

It's basically saying if you get a masked teacher, you just need to learn like the blind do.

So all kids with a masked teacher get IEPs? Ok then!

+1 So I'm sure there's increased funding to provide specialized services just like they do for blind kids

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who does not care if people in their kids' schools are medically fragile are horrible, horrible people. Same with other school employees who don't wear masks even when they KNOW that their colleagues are imunocompromised. You suck.

I'm sorry, but the general population is not going to wear masks in perpetuity. I'm sure you believe masks are just an "inconvenience" but for many they are not, and since you don't care about that, why should we care what you think?

Did I mention the general public? I specifically said that people who do not care about actual individuals in their actual lives -- in their kids' schools, or their own schools if they are also employees -- SUCK. And they do. They are terrible human beings. Can you imagine if someone said that right to your face? "I don't care about your life or death situation -- I'm not wearing a mask for your sake."????? Or how about if they said it about your child?

This is not the kind of society I want to live in. Those people disgust me. I can't respect them.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who does not care if people in their kids' schools are medically fragile are horrible, horrible people. Same with other school employees who don't wear masks even when they KNOW that their colleagues are imunocompromised. You suck.

At least it sounds like you’re beginning to accept the new world. Going forward masks are the exception, not the norm.

I will never accept that people like you influence our society. Ruthlessly selfish. Ugly.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who does not care if people in their kids' schools are medically fragile are horrible, horrible people. Same with other school employees who don't wear masks even when they KNOW that their colleagues are imunocompromised. You suck.

I'm sorry, but the general population is not going to wear masks in perpetuity. I'm sure you believe masks are just an "inconvenience" but for many they are not, and since you don't care about that, why should we care what you think?

Did I mention the general public? I specifically said that people who do not care about actual individuals in their actual lives -- in their kids' schools, or their own schools if they are also employees -- SUCK. And they do. They are terrible human beings. Can you imagine if someone said that right to your face? "I don't care about your life or death situation -- I'm not wearing a mask for your sake."????? Or how about if they said it about your child?

This is not the kind of society I want to live in. Those people disgust me. I can't respect them.

I mean I don't survey everyone I'm around about their health issues, do you?

My 3 yo goes to daycare happily unmasked. If I learned that her teacher was immunocompromised, I would not start masking her. I have my reasons, which you DGAF about. You think I'm a terrible human being? I think you're a terrible human being. So we're good.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who does not care if people in their kids' schools are medically fragile are horrible, horrible people. Same with other school employees who don't wear masks even when they KNOW that their colleagues are imunocompromised. You suck.

At least it sounds like you’re beginning to accept the new world. Going forward masks are the exception, not the norm.

I will never accept that people like you influence our society. Ruthlessly selfish. Ugly.

Too bad. I'm in the vast majority on this issue. You can shake your fists on this all you want. Nobody cares, and it moves no needles.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who does not care if people in their kids' schools are medically fragile are horrible, horrible people. Same with other school employees who don't wear masks even when they KNOW that their colleagues are imunocompromised. You suck.

I'm sorry, but the general population is not going to wear masks in perpetuity. I'm sure you believe masks are just an "inconvenience" but for many they are not, and since you don't care about that, why should we care what you think?

Did I mention the general public? I specifically said that people who do not care about actual individuals in their actual lives -- in their kids' schools, or their own schools if they are also employees -- SUCK. And they do. They are terrible human beings. Can you imagine if someone said that right to your face? "I don't care about your life or death situation -- I'm not wearing a mask for your sake."????? Or how about if they said it about your child?

This is not the kind of society I want to live in. Those people disgust me. I can't respect them.

Have you tried talking to the people in your life that are making you so angry, vs. just venting on an anonymous forum? Are you afraid to ask them to mask in perpetuity to protect you? Have you tried getting fit-tested for an N95 rather than depend on fitting yourself with a KN95?

FWIW, the parents I know IRL with medically fragile children were not willing to send them to school even when there was a mask mandate anyway. It's not good enough when they are that high risk.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who does not care if people in their kids' schools are medically fragile are horrible, horrible people. Same with other school employees who don't wear masks even when they KNOW that their colleagues are imunocompromised. You suck.

I'm sorry, but the general population is not going to wear masks in perpetuity. I'm sure you believe masks are just an "inconvenience" but for many they are not, and since you don't care about that, why should we care what you think?

Did I mention the general public? I specifically said that people who do not care about actual individuals in their actual lives -- in their kids' schools, or their own schools if they are also employees -- SUCK. And they do. They are terrible human beings. Can you imagine if someone said that right to your face? "I don't care about your life or death situation -- I'm not wearing a mask for your sake."????? Or how about if they said it about your child?

This is not the kind of society I want to live in. Those people disgust me. I can't respect them.

Have you tried talking to the people in your life that are making you so angry, vs. just venting on an anonymous forum? Are you afraid to ask them to mask in perpetuity to protect you? Have you tried getting fit-tested for an N95 rather than depend on fitting yourself with a KN95?

FWIW, the parents I know IRL with medically fragile children were not willing to send them to school even when there was a mask mandate anyway. It's not good enough when they are that high risk.

It's not ME. I work with someone medically fragile. I cannot get over the a-holes who don't care and don't mask. They don't wear a mask for the sake of someone they actually know and see on a daily basis. It's mind boggling to me. I really think people like that are sociopaths or possibly low-IQ. Definitely not the best.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who does not care if people in their kids' schools are medically fragile are horrible, horrible people. Same with other school employees who don't wear masks even when they KNOW that their colleagues are imunocompromised. You suck.

I'm sorry, but the general population is not going to wear masks in perpetuity. I'm sure you believe masks are just an "inconvenience" but for many they are not, and since you don't care about that, why should we care what you think?

Did I mention the general public? I specifically said that people who do not care about actual individuals in their actual lives -- in their kids' schools, or their own schools if they are also employees -- SUCK. And they do. They are terrible human beings. Can you imagine if someone said that right to your face? "I don't care about your life or death situation -- I'm not wearing a mask for your sake."????? Or how about if they said it about your child?

This is not the kind of society I want to live in. Those people disgust me. I can't respect them.

Have you tried talking to the people in your life that are making you so angry, vs. just venting on an anonymous forum? Are you afraid to ask them to mask in perpetuity to protect you? Have you tried getting fit-tested for an N95 rather than depend on fitting yourself with a KN95?

FWIW, the parents I know IRL with medically fragile children were not willing to send them to school even when there was a mask mandate anyway. It's not good enough when they are that high risk.

It's not ME. I work with someone medically fragile. I cannot get over the a-holes who don't care and don't mask. They don't wear a mask for the sake of someone they actually know and see on a daily basis. It's mind boggling to me. I really think people like that are sociopaths or possibly low-IQ. Definitely not the best.

it's too much to ask. there have been immunocompromised people in the workplace prior to covid. shoot, pre-covid my brother returned to work after having his entire immune system rebooted with a stem cell transplant. don't think anyone at his job was masking to demostrate how much they cared about him. it just ... wasn't a thing. ps he got covid and was fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who does not care if people in their kids' schools are medically fragile are horrible, horrible people. Same with other school employees who don't wear masks even when they KNOW that their colleagues are imunocompromised. You suck.

I'm sorry, but the general population is not going to wear masks in perpetuity. I'm sure you believe masks are just an "inconvenience" but for many they are not, and since you don't care about that, why should we care what you think?

Did I mention the general public? I specifically said that people who do not care about actual individuals in their actual lives -- in their kids' schools, or their own schools if they are also employees -- SUCK. And they do. They are terrible human beings. Can you imagine if someone said that right to your face? "I don't care about your life or death situation -- I'm not wearing a mask for your sake."????? Or how about if they said it about your child?

This is not the kind of society I want to live in. Those people disgust me. I can't respect them.

Have you tried talking to the people in your life that are making you so angry, vs. just venting on an anonymous forum? Are you afraid to ask them to mask in perpetuity to protect you? Have you tried getting fit-tested for an N95 rather than depend on fitting yourself with a KN95?

FWIW, the parents I know IRL with medically fragile children were not willing to send them to school even when there was a mask mandate anyway. It's not good enough when they are that high risk.

It's not ME. I work with someone medically fragile. I cannot get over the a-holes who don't care and don't mask. They don't wear a mask for the sake of someone they actually know and see on a daily basis. It's mind boggling to me. I really think people like that are sociopaths or possibly low-IQ. Definitely not the best.

So you want them to mask until when exactly? Or rather, perhaps the more sustainable solution would be for the medically fragile person to look for another job (to the extent they're even bothered by this)?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who does not care if people in their kids' schools are medically fragile are horrible, horrible people. Same with other school employees who don't wear masks even when they KNOW that their colleagues are imunocompromised. You suck.

I'm sorry, but the general population is not going to wear masks in perpetuity. I'm sure you believe masks are just an "inconvenience" but for many they are not, and since you don't care about that, why should we care what you think?

Did I mention the general public? I specifically said that people who do not care about actual individuals in their actual lives -- in their kids' schools, or their own schools if they are also employees -- SUCK. And they do. They are terrible human beings. Can you imagine if someone said that right to your face? "I don't care about your life or death situation -- I'm not wearing a mask for your sake."????? Or how about if they said it about your child?

This is not the kind of society I want to live in. Those people disgust me. I can't respect them.

Have you tried talking to the people in your life that are making you so angry, vs. just venting on an anonymous forum? Are you afraid to ask them to mask in perpetuity to protect you? Have you tried getting fit-tested for an N95 rather than depend on fitting yourself with a KN95?

FWIW, the parents I know IRL with medically fragile children were not willing to send them to school even when there was a mask mandate anyway. It's not good enough when they are that high risk.

It's not ME. I work with someone medically fragile. I cannot get over the a-holes who don't care and don't mask. They don't wear a mask for the sake of someone they actually know and see on a daily basis. It's mind boggling to me. I really think people like that are sociopaths or possibly low-IQ. Definitely not the best.

it's too much to ask. there have been immunocompromised people in the workplace prior to covid. shoot, pre-covid my brother returned to work after having his entire immune system rebooted with a stem cell transplant. don't think anyone at his job was masking to demostrate how much they cared about him. it just ... wasn't a thing. ps he got covid and was fine.

Yes, the key point is "PRIOR TO COVID." That means, PRIOR to a virus circulating that could harm them or kill them, they did not wear masks. That's like saying about a burning building, "I ran into that building just last week and didn't get burned. Don't be so precious about going in now."

Like I said, these people are likely low-IQ.....