Are only kids of wealthy parents in elite professions majoring in arts/going to elite colleges?

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Anonymous wrote:If anybody I knew growing up was majoring in English or History, it was with an education certification added on. They were onto something!

MYY History degree got me into Harvard Law School.

Yeah, most history majors aren't getting into Harvard Law School. But *most* (not ALL) CS majors are doing pretty well right out of the gate.

To make much money with a liberal arts degree, you probably have to get some kind of graduate level degree on top of it. So, if you view undergrad as a vocational school, you probably want to confine yourself to a business or STEM degree. If you view education as something central to living a fulfilling life with value, then you can take a broader view of the matter.

No, you don't. Unless your specific profession requires it, attending a non-professional graduate school is generally a huge waste of time and money for a person not interested in academia.

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Anonymous wrote:We will have an oversupply of CS people, like we had librarians, pharmacists, and nurses in the past. The top ones, with keen business sense and strong interpersonal relationships, will make top $ and know which startup to join. The rest will end up at Accenture, writing code and building databases for some tired federal agency, and getting paid $150K/year.

Getting a $150k starting salary with only a bachelors is a huge deal.

Yup. Way better than having to do 8-10 years of med school, residency etc to get $150k in primary care or pediatrics.

You have no idea what you're saying. My DC1 is in med school. First, a pediatrician in DC area makes around 300k base salary to start. 180K is base pay first year in Podank, Nebraska and those positions are filled by foreign residents with med school outside US. People get into pediatrics because the schedule is wonderful and they don't work 40 hours/week, so it's very family friendly if you are a parent. In addition, pediatric centers are not owned by private equity but by the doctors. So you make good money as a business owner too. The work is meaningful- instead of staying in a room full of wire and people coding aimlessly for mostly useless purposes, you nurture life. If you no longer want to practice, you have a miriade of other job opportunities- research, insurance, biotech companies, FDA etc. If you get satisfaction from this, virtually all people respect doctors and are happy to have one in the neighborhood. As a doctor, you get special financing for a lot of things, including real estate. If you are a business owner, you get to structure your own profit sharing. If you work in the hospital, even PT, the hospital will pay your student loans and professional insurance. Being a doctor is way way above 99.9% of any CS jobs, in terms of intellect, prestige, and income - MIT grad here.

Liar, a pediatrician starting off in the DC area makes nowhere near 300k. Maybe after 10 years of practice, and by then, you’re old and way behind even an average IT worker in terms of wealth accumulation. The only pediatricians I know making 250-300k are in the podunk towns, so it’s not a bad path if you’re ok with living there. Is your DC too stupid to specialize? Even the bottom of the barrel are able to specialize nowadays.

I'm sorry that your spawn, who was cared by a pediatrician, was not capable to get into med school, but yes, doctors do start with high salaries. Most of my DC's class also comes from affluent families, as medicine is no longer the profession for MC due to cost, so being concerned about the financial health of a bunch of already well to do kids is absurd. My DC will be a radiologist and his fiancée is a pediatrician. We love her and we are so proud of her and she doesn't even have to work. Her dad owns a big cardiology practice in FL.

You’re a delusional hag aren’t you? My kids are still in elementary school but don’t let that stop you from believing that anyone who disagrees with you had a kid who got rejected from med school. And no, doctors do not start with high salaries in saturated areas. Multiple people are telling you this and you’re still ignorantly spouting off. You obviously know nothing about medicine. But thanks for the BS story about your son’s fiancée and her dad’s “big cardiology practice.”

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Anonymous wrote:Why such disdain for those majoring in “vocational” degrees? I majored in accounting because as someone with few means, I needed something that would get me straight into a job. I didn’t have much room for error or creativity.

They are telling us we are supposed to know our place.

It's because posters on this site time and again show disdain for students who study the liberal arts, or more accurately the humanities. No one needs disdain the other. Everyone has a different path.

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Anonymous wrote:We will have an oversupply of CS people, like we had librarians, pharmacists, and nurses in the past. The top ones, with keen business sense and strong interpersonal relationships, will make top $ and know which startup to join. The rest will end up at Accenture, writing code and building databases for some tired federal agency, and getting paid $150K/year.

Getting a $150k starting salary with only a bachelors is a huge deal.

Yup. Way better than having to do 8-10 years of med school, residency etc to get $150k in primary care or pediatrics.

You have no idea what you're saying. My DC1 is in med school. First, a pediatrician in DC area makes around 300k base salary to start. 180K is base pay first year in Podank, Nebraska and those positions are filled by foreign residents with med school outside US. People get into pediatrics because the schedule is wonderful and they don't work 40 hours/week, so it's very family friendly if you are a parent. In addition, pediatric centers are not owned by private equity but by the doctors. So you make good money as a business owner too. The work is meaningful- instead of staying in a room full of wire and people coding aimlessly for mostly useless purposes, you nurture life. If you no longer want to practice, you have a miriade of other job opportunities- research, insurance, biotech companies, FDA etc. If you get satisfaction from this, virtually all people respect doctors and are happy to have one in the neighborhood. As a doctor, you get special financing for a lot of things, including real estate. If you are a business owner, you get to structure your own profit sharing. If you work in the hospital, even PT, the hospital will pay your student loans and professional insurance. Being a doctor is way way above 99.9% of any CS jobs, in terms of intellect, prestige, and income - MIT grad here.

Liar, a pediatrician starting off in the DC area makes nowhere near 300k. Maybe after 10 years of practice, and by then, you’re old and way behind even an average IT worker in terms of wealth accumulation. The only pediatricians I know making 250-300k are in the podunk towns, so it’s not a bad path if you’re ok with living there. Is your DC too stupid to specialize? Even the bottom of the barrel are able to specialize nowadays.

I'm sorry that your spawn, who was cared by a pediatrician, was not capable to get into med school, but yes, doctors do start with high salaries. Most of my DC's class also comes from affluent families, as medicine is no longer the profession for MC due to cost, so being concerned about the financial health of a bunch of already well to do kids is absurd. My DC will be a radiologist and his fiancée is a pediatrician. We love her and we are so proud of her and she doesn't even have to work. Her dad owns a big cardiology practice in FL.

You’re a delusional hag aren’t you? My kids are still in elementary school but don’t let that stop you from believing that anyone who disagrees with you had a kid who got rejected from med school. And no, doctors do not start with high salaries in saturated areas. Multiple people are telling you this and you’re still ignorantly spouting off. You obviously know nothing about medicine. But thanks for the BS story about your son’s fiancée and her dad’s “big cardiology practice.”

So you are a poor loser, desperate for money, obviously not a doctor, with kids in elementary school, trolling the college board? Feeling sorry and worried about my pediatrician future DIL? Don't worry, you and your spawns will continue the dynasty of coding in the basement of the DHS. The probability that your average spawns from a MC family will get into med school is zero.

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Anonymous wrote:We will have an oversupply of CS people, like we had librarians, pharmacists, and nurses in the past. The top ones, with keen business sense and strong interpersonal relationships, will make top $ and know which startup to join. The rest will end up at Accenture, writing code and building databases for some tired federal agency, and getting paid $150K/year.

Getting a $150k starting salary with only a bachelors is a huge deal.

Yup. Way better than having to do 8-10 years of med school, residency etc to get $150k in primary care or pediatrics.

You have no idea what you're saying. My DC1 is in med school. First, a pediatrician in DC area makes around 300k base salary to start. 180K is base pay first year in Podank, Nebraska and those positions are filled by foreign residents with med school outside US. People get into pediatrics because the schedule is wonderful and they don't work 40 hours/week, so it's very family friendly if you are a parent. In addition, pediatric centers are not owned by private equity but by the doctors. So you make good money as a business owner too. The work is meaningful- instead of staying in a room full of wire and people coding aimlessly for mostly useless purposes, you nurture life. If you no longer want to practice, you have a miriade of other job opportunities- research, insurance, biotech companies, FDA etc. If you get satisfaction from this, virtually all people respect doctors and are happy to have one in the neighborhood. As a doctor, you get special financing for a lot of things, including real estate. If you are a business owner, you get to structure your own profit sharing. If you work in the hospital, even PT, the hospital will pay your student loans and professional insurance. Being a doctor is way way above 99.9% of any CS jobs, in terms of intellect, prestige, and income - MIT grad here.

Liar, a pediatrician starting off in the DC area makes nowhere near 300k. Maybe after 10 years of practice, and by then, you’re old and way behind even an average IT worker in terms of wealth accumulation. The only pediatricians I know making 250-300k are in the podunk towns, so it’s not a bad path if you’re ok with living there. Is your DC too stupid to specialize? Even the bottom of the barrel are able to specialize nowadays.

I'm sorry that your spawn, who was cared by a pediatrician, was not capable to get into med school, but yes, doctors do start with high salaries. Most of my DC's class also comes from affluent families, as medicine is no longer the profession for MC due to cost, so being concerned about the financial health of a bunch of already well to do kids is absurd. My DC will be a radiologist and his fiancée is a pediatrician. We love her and we are so proud of her and she doesn't even have to work. Her dad owns a big cardiology practice in FL.

You’re a delusional hag aren’t you? My kids are still in elementary school but don’t let that stop you from believing that anyone who disagrees with you had a kid who got rejected from med school. And no, doctors do not start with high salaries in saturated areas. Multiple people are telling you this and you’re still ignorantly spouting off. You obviously know nothing about medicine. But thanks for the BS story about your son’s fiancée and her dad’s “big cardiology practice.”

So you are a poor loser, desperate for money, obviously not a doctor, with kids in elementary school, trolling the college board? Feeling sorry and worried about my pediatrician future DIL? Don't worry, you and your spawns will continue the dynasty of coding in the basement of the DHS. The probability that your average spawns from a MC family will get into med school is zero.

Stop it you two. This is just so so ugly and unnecessary. Do better, both of you.

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This topic seems triggering for some. I can’t understand why it’s traumatic for big cardiologist’s wife/radiologist’s mother/pediatrician’s MIL. Is it self projection for not attending a medical school herself? There are lots of interesting and lucrative professions and not everyone is interested in medicine.

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Anonymous wrote:Why such disdain for those majoring in “vocational” degrees? I majored in accounting because as someone with few means, I needed something that would get me straight into a job. I didn’t have much room for error or creativity.

They are telling us we are supposed to know our place.

It's because posters on this site time and again show disdain for students who study the liberal arts, or more accurately the humanities. No one needs disdain the other. Everyone has a different path.

It's kind of ridiculous to condescendingly call a STEM degree a "vocational school." An engineering degree imparts actual knowledge, just like a liberal arts degree.
Yes, it may be different knowledge, but it's hardly inferior knowledge. I have a MA and a JD, but I doubt I would have made it through an engineering degree.

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I have a medical degree and probably would’ve had a tough time studying religion, physics, applied math, business or literature. No one is good at everything or interested in similar things. That’s why this world hasn’t collapsed yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Why such disdain for those majoring in “vocational” degrees? I majored in accounting because as someone with few means, I needed something that would get me straight into a job. I didn’t have much room for error or creativity.

I’ve even heard people call medical school “trade school” because it is training you for a specific job, not broadening your mind for a higher purpose. My kids chose to go the vocational route because they valued being able to support themselves upon graduation. Aside from tuition paid for, they don’t expect any family money. As for broadening their minds, they have a lot of creative outside interests and good community.

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Anonymous wrote:If anybody I knew growing up was majoring in English or History, it was with an education certification added on. They were onto something!

MYY History degree got me into Harvard Law School.

Yeah, most history majors aren't getting into Harvard Law School. But *most* (not ALL) CS majors are doing pretty well right out of the gate.

To make much money with a liberal arts degree, you probably have to get some kind of graduate level degree on top of it. So, if you view undergrad as a vocational school, you probably want to confine yourself to a business or STEM degree. If you view education as something central to living a fulfilling life with value, then you can take a broader view of the matter.

No, you don't. Unless your specific profession requires it, attending a non-professional graduate school is generally a huge waste of time and money for a person not interested in academia.

And yet three SCOTUS Justices have grad school replicas from Oxford

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Anonymous wrote:We will have an oversupply of CS people, like we had librarians, pharmacists, and nurses in the past. The top ones, with keen business sense and strong interpersonal relationships, will make top $ and know which startup to join. The rest will end up at Accenture, writing code and building databases for some tired federal agency, and getting paid $150K/year.

Getting a $150k starting salary with only a bachelors is a huge deal.

Yup. Way better than having to do 8-10 years of med school, residency etc to get $150k in primary care or pediatrics.

You have no idea what you're saying. My DC1 is in med school. First, a pediatrician in DC area makes around 300k base salary to start. 180K is base pay first year in Podank, Nebraska and those positions are filled by foreign residents with med school outside US. People get into pediatrics because the schedule is wonderful and they don't work 40 hours/week, so it's very family friendly if you are a parent. In addition, pediatric centers are not owned by private equity but by the doctors. So you make good money as a business owner too. The work is meaningful- instead of staying in a room full of wire and people coding aimlessly for mostly useless purposes, you nurture life. If you no longer want to practice, you have a miriade of other job opportunities- research, insurance, biotech companies, FDA etc. If you get satisfaction from this, virtually all people respect doctors and are happy to have one in the neighborhood. As a doctor, you get special financing for a lot of things, including real estate. If you are a business owner, you get to structure your own profit sharing. If you work in the hospital, even PT, the hospital will pay your student loans and professional insurance. Being a doctor is way way above 99.9% of any CS jobs, in terms of intellect, prestige, and income - MIT grad here.

Liar, a pediatrician starting off in the DC area makes nowhere near 300k. Maybe after 10 years of practice, and by then, you’re old and way behind even an average IT worker in terms of wealth accumulation. The only pediatricians I know making 250-300k are in the podunk towns, so it’s not a bad path if you’re ok with living there. Is your DC too stupid to specialize? Even the bottom of the barrel are able to specialize nowadays.

I'm sorry that your spawn, who was cared by a pediatrician, was not capable to get into med school, but yes, doctors do start with high salaries. Most of my DC's class also comes from affluent families, as medicine is no longer the profession for MC due to cost, so being concerned about the financial health of a bunch of already well to do kids is absurd. My DC will be a radiologist and his fiancée is a pediatrician. We love her and we are so proud of her and she doesn't even have to work. Her dad owns a big cardiology practice in FL.

You’re a delusional hag aren’t you? My kids are still in elementary school but don’t let that stop you from believing that anyone who disagrees with you had a kid who got rejected from med school. And no, doctors do not start with high salaries in saturated areas. Multiple people are telling you this and you’re still ignorantly spouting off. You obviously know nothing about medicine. But thanks for the BS story about your son’s fiancée and her dad’s “big cardiology practice.”

So you are a poor loser, desperate for money, obviously not a doctor, with kids in elementary school, trolling the college board? Feeling sorry and worried about my pediatrician future DIL? Don't worry, you and your spawns will continue the dynasty of coding in the basement of the DHS. The probability that your average spawns from a MC family will get into med school is zero.

Calm down before you have a stroke. No one is feeling sorry or worried for your “pediatrician DIL” bc she doesn’t exist. Your ignorance and extreme anger+defensiveness makes it obvious. I’m thinking your DC is also probably bottom of the class at DO not med school. I haven’t seen this level of raging insecurity in anyone attending or has a kid attending an actual med school. But sure, keep believing he’s going to be a high earning radiologist who’ll support your broke a$$.

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of if you are not capable of academical majors

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Anonymous wrote:Why such disdain for those majoring in “vocational” degrees? I majored in accounting because as someone with few means, I needed something that would get me straight into a job. I didn’t have much room for error or creativity.

You have it backward. The disdain is usually directed toward those whose degrees are not vocational in nature. How often do you hear "you want fries with that" jokes about philosophy majors and the like?

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Anonymous wrote:of if you are not capable of academical majors

What are “academical” majors?

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Anonymous wrote:Why such disdain for those majoring in “vocational” degrees? I majored in accounting because as someone with few means, I needed something that would get me straight into a job. I didn’t have much room for error or creativity.

They are telling us we are supposed to know our place.

Persecution complex much?