Which schools accepted your 4.3 - 4.4 TJ kid?
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Anonymous
The intangibles that successful student athletes possess usually leads to these same kids succeeding and excelling in business, they are highly sought after by the most discriminating of employers to include and particularly wall street. When I was at an elite group within a T3 investment bank I remember every recruiting season HR would drop a resume book of literally hundreds of resumes from a handful of school and asked for me to pick out some. When every resume is harvard, penn, columbia, etc. I looked for differentiating factors and athletics was among the top criteria I used. But more importantly, when it came to actually speaking with these candidates it was night - day in terms of how much better they were put together/polished from an effective communication perspective. |
Anonymous
Yep. I am friends with and family members of some really, really, really smart people that also happened to be D1 athletes in their sport. These people were in the top of their high school class, near perfect standardized test scores, very high GPAs. They did this with all of the time limitations dedication to a sport at that level takes. AP/honors courses with a few hours of practice a night, traveling/games all weekend long, having to leave school early some days because of practices....and some of these kids headed up Clubs or were in student government, etc. Being part of a sports team teaches you lessons of working together to accomplish a goal. You experience failure, getting cut, persevering, working with some you may not get along with to accomplish a goal. LEADERSHIP. Yes- you can achieve these things in other ways, but as a female in STEM--I find most of the women I know holding top CEO/CFO type positions all played sports competitively. |
Anonymous
Ivies don't give athletic scholarships. The kids have to have the academic credentials before they are considered for admissions. My kid was CLEARLY told this. This is why in the D1 Ivy league you get very few of the top local players in my kids' sport---they don't have the credentials for admission. These kids tend to go to lesser academic schools or D2/D3. |
Anonymous
| I don’t know why people so focused on academic qualifications of ivy applicants. I am sure the majority of them are overqualified for what they teach there. They are not preparing scientists. |
Anonymous
Your bias and bitterness have warped your ability to be rational. Stop the conspiracy theory crap. Stop assuming urms are "underqualified in practice." You don't know this. Realize that there are far more extremely high achieving kids than spaces at Ivy League institutions. The admits are highly "qualified." Stop separating people by race or assuming diversity is "bs." Get some diversity in your life. There is no "shut door" or hard cap. Read what I wrote earlier. Successful applications are about far more than base stats. Your perspective is exceedingly narrow. My kid is from the hardest demographic to earn admittance to Ivy league, and yet they were. In the most competitive year. The edge clearly didn't come from demographics, it came from outstanding essays, noteworthy awards, leadership, recommendations and great ECs. High stats got the foot in the door. That's all. but, go ahead and think that an URM is stealing your kid's spot. Heaven forbid they should try to actively earn it. And, completely disregard the large donors, legacies, networked and athletes. This is what tells me that you are the racist entity here. |
Anonymous
Yes, they do because they are holistic institutions, not niche technical schools. You don't understand the Ivy League. |
Anonymous
I agree that the PPP doesn't seem to know about Ivy League because they don't admit based on academic qualifications (assuming she means test scores and GPA by this) alone. They read essays, recommendations and consider what talents/skills/perspectives a student will bring to the academic community. |
Anonymous
Lol you are delusional and in a bubble I'm not a urm but have a nephew that is a urm through and he is at a T3 now, as an uncle I was obviously elated that he was accepted but as an ivy grad was dumbfounded particularly since everybody in our extended family could compare the non-urm kids at ivies to this particularly nephew. I have a niece from the same family and now we are anticipating the same preferential treatment which for our particular family is great, but for the endless supply of kids from tj etc that are more typical of what we were used to as classmates at ivies honestly feel bad for them and an objective sense of inequity By the way, when comparing academics, test scores, ecs, athletics, interpersonal skills, etc. we can see an enormous difference in our particular extended families case. The crazy thing is that he is a urm but from a wealthy white collar family but probably a top 25% introverted student with the only distinguishing characteristics being that he can check the urm box + happens to be 6'6" but unfortunately zero athletic abilities or desire, he is the type of kid people would want to succeed but we are still baffled how he got it, he is doing reasonably well so he is clearly capable of succeeding at the T3 academically but its obvious that others were objectively more deserving |
Anonymous
As this was said earlier, when you look at Ivy/T10 acceptance from TJ the only accepted students are the ones with 4.5+ gpa, everyone else is rejected. I don’t know about what they do with applications from other schools but holistic admission by the Ivy/T10 schools are a farce when it comes to TJ kids. As someone said - data does not lie. |
Anonymous
Data can be very misleading too when you highlight some of it and ignore the rest. Many 4.5+ from TI are not accepted to Ivys and a few with less than 4.5 are. So obviously they are not going by GPA alone. And if you don’t want to participate in the farce don’t push your kids in this ridiculous arms race to be accepted to an Ivy |
Anonymous
Honestly, I really do not care where my kid ends up. They will be fine. I am curious though why are you taking this so personally? Which Ivy admission committee are you representing? I am glad you agree data does not lie and talk about holistic admission process is a farce. And I assume you are familiar with basic statistics so you know what outliers are. |
Anonymous
A) that is your opinion. And one not shared by many. B) If there are athletic teams at a school, they need/want to fill the slots. That is done precisely, not "admit whoever and then see if there is a Foward in the mix." C) Lots of schools do have Club sports vs. the varsity sports. But lots do not. And the ones that do not value athletics for a variety of reasons already noted. And sports are good social, community, school spirit opportunities. A lot of people, schools and students, want that. |
Anonymous
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Always fun to see the jock sniffers come out of the woodwork to defend athletic recruiting.
All of your wonderful pronouncements and stories aside, the Harvard data analysis led to the conclusion that on average, admitted athletes had lower academic qualifications than the average applicant, that an academic profile that for a non-athlete yielded a sub 1% acceptance rate yielded a 85%+ acceptance rate for recruited athletes and, again, that 90% of athletes would not have been admitted on their academic qualifications. but sure, tell me again how athletes are equally qualified. it's not for nothing that the into to geology course at Harvard was called "rocks for jocks". The argument that athletes bring something else to the table is an old one. That's a value judgment that you're making, and it's fine. But you should realize that then that justifies the colleges making other value judgments, such as the value of diversity. As for the future success argument, that's simply not proven, and if you substituted all of the recruited athletes were better qualified students, maybe you'd do even better. I would wager the vast majority of people who donate to Harvard or Yale or Cornell are not doing so for sports. This isn't USC. Have you ever seen the attendance at a Harvard men's soccer game? You could probably count the spectators on your hands. No one cares. in the end, you all want to defend the hooks that benefit you or fit your particular worldview. but let's not be hypocrites about it. A hook is a hook and no one is more justifiable than the other. |
Anonymous
Well said! |
Anonymous
You are living in a delusional bubble convinced of your own fake reality and your envy of successful student athletes is glaringly obvious lol. The athletics are a core fundamental component of the ivy league culture, has been for centuries and will be as long as they exist. Not only do the alumni network support this but the large big ticket donors are laser focused on athletics as well. While you are correct that the spectator audience is comically small it has no bearing on the funding, financial support and priority provided to these programs - look at some of their athletic facilities and in many cases they are better than big time D1 sports program facilities paid for by donors that get their name on a shiny plaque on the facilities. As an example, over 20% of Princeton's undergraduate student body are D1 athletes, Harvard is 10%, Dartmouth 21%, Yale 16%, compared to Ohio State 2.5%, Penn State 3.0%. In fact, in many ways what distinguishes the Ivy League from other good colleges are that athletics are valued to a greater degree and more ingrained into the student/alumni culture. So you can tell yourself that you don't think the ivies should care about athletics and since you think that way you want to force your lie into a perceived reality. The reality is that the ivies prioritize students that exhibit strong (maybe not top 1%) academics + D1 level athletic abilities to the extent that they literally get priority in admissions and often get "soft" acceptances their junior year of high school. They are looking for exceptionalism which comes in many forms to include proven accomplishments in both academics + athletics. |