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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery. [/quote]

Its not as much of a lottery as some try to convinces themselves

The ivies are seeking exceptionalism which could include but not necessarily be restricted to GPA and have distinguished themselves their multi-centuries consistent abilities to identify and select exceptional individuals

So the question is who should Harvard take, your kid who scored a 1580 or Al Gore who scored 1355.  Your kid could certainly be more talented with better future success than Al Gore, but obviously Gore was a very successful admit by any measure.  Other SAT scores:

George Bush:  Yale (Governor, President + Veteran) - 1200
John Kerry: Yale (Senator, Secretary of State, etc. + US Navy veteran awarded the Silver Star and Bronze Star with valor) - 1190
Bill Clinton:  Georgetown, not ivy but elite (Governor, President) - 1030
Al Franken:  Harvard (Comedian, Senator) - 1020

Also, David Hogg was admitted to Harvard with a 1270

Not necessarily a fan of any of the above but objectively they seem to know how to identify and "pick" exceptional talent
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You have listed "exceptional" talent in only one area - Leadership/Politics. My kid will definitely not be as exceptional as those you have listed in this field but her chosen field is CS .. She has academic and extra-curricular credentials to justify that she has the "potential" to be exceptional in her chosen field. I guess that should be acknowledged and accepted in atleast one of the top schools in my opinion. [/quote]

Is she white?   If so - thousands of others are ahead of  her. I am sorry. She will do well in life because she works hard.  Best.[/quote]

NP. Thousands ahead of her?  A female from the number 1 stem HS in the country at the top of her class in GPA? I don’t think so[/quote]

Your extremely high stats kid is a dime a dozen in the very top schools’ applicant pool.[/quote]

Ugh. Not the "dime a dozen" poster again! I really hate that phrase, but there is a correlative point that is important. PPP, a top girl stats-wise from TJ should do well, but the stats are the base level for consideration, not the end all be all. If the stats are all she has, make sure you have plenty of target and safety schools (& I mean true targets and safeties). There is much to love about mid tier schools, and they may offer great merit to a high stats kid. If you want top-rated, name-prestige schools, she will have to stand out with national awards, great recs and school-specific fantastic essays if no other hooks. It can be done, but don't count on it. Even with these perks, have some targets and safeties in the mix. Also, consider what schools might be the best fit for her, and where she can shine. It might not be what you think. Mine did not apply to Harvard because she didn't like the competitive culture. She was fortunate enough to get into most of the tops schools she applied for, but she was prepared to go to one of the safeties (which was all she had for a long time) and found things to love about them. We are MCPS magnet.[/quote]

The point is that for every high stat kid from tj in the top 25% of the class they are competing with at least 10+ equally high stat kids from throughout the US and the world, and of these the T5 or T10 will take maybe 1?  [b]The problem is that the T5s and T10s reserve between 10% and 20% of their class to academically dramatically underqualified students from the urm category[/b]

The supreme court review on the white/asian discrimination issue will be telling on which way the country will go on this topic, it could get worse, stay the same, or it could potentially get better for these high stat no hook white/asian kids depending on the result
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if you think this is a problem and don't mention recruited athletes, then clearly your problem isn't a qualification one but that URMs aren't white or Asian. [/quote]

The ivy league was literally founded as an athletic league, its at the core of what the ivies are all about

As long as there are athletic teams they will continue to fill the rosters as they have done for centuries and in reality these scholar-athletes are usual more "talented" than the typical student

The problem with the urm policies is that there is an unofficial understanding that any urm grad has an asterisk next to his diploma because its widely known how/why they were admitted which is sad because there are likely some that would have succeed purely based on merit but stereotypes persist[/quote]

these schools existed well before they joined an athletic conference. that's not why they exist.

90% of recruited athletes at Harvard wouldn't have been admitted on their academic qualifications. You want to know who the students at elite schools think should have an asterisk on their diploma? Athletes.[/quote]

Now its obvious you've never attended an ivy league.  These kids are not the SEC or BIG type athletes, the ivy league athletes are actually among the "better" students and on average are more successful + donate more than the non-athletes.  A lot of these kids would have been admitted solely based on academics its just that they happen to be elite athletes as well, for a lot of parents its really hard to come to grips just how talented some kids can be and there are a lot of these types at the ivies.

The only caveat that I would throw in is that yes the urm athletes are usually at the lower end of academic measures, but in combination with their athletics balances out nicely.
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I agree that the PPP doesn't seem to know about Ivy League because they don't admit based on academic qualifications (assuming she means test scores and GPA by this) alone. They read essays, recommendations and consider what talents/skills/perspectives a student will bring to the academic community.[/quote]

As this was said earlier, when you look at Ivy/T10 acceptance from TJ the only accepted students are the ones with 4.5+ gpa, everyone else is rejected. I don’t know about what they do with applications from other schools but holistic admission by the Ivy/T10 schools are a farce when it comes to TJ kids. As someone said - data does not lie.   [/quote]

Data can be very misleading too when you highlight some of it and ignore the rest. Many 4.5+ from TI are not accepted to Ivys and a few with less than 4.5 are. So obviously they are not going by GPA alone. And if you don’t want to participate in the farce don’t push your kids in this ridiculous arms race to be accepted to an Ivy [/quote]

Honestly, I really do not care where my kid ends up. They will be fine. I am curious though why are you taking this so personally? Which Ivy admission committee are you representing? I am glad you agree data does not lie and talk about holistic admission process is a farce. And I assume you are familiar with basic statistics so you know what outliers are.[/quote]

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